Talk:Jack Lord/Archive 1

His passion for art
Is there any concrete documentation that Lord has had his works at the Metropolitan Museum Of Art? I know IMDB.com mentions this, but I consider that site about as reliable as a myspace page... When it comes to celebs voices do carry, and I for one would like to get some verification from someone whose background is in the arts. Main reason is for verification, but also because I as well as others would welcome seeing his paintings. --TheNightRyder (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Death info
how and when did jack lord die?

how and when did jack lord die?what did he die from?

1998, heart attack. Wahkeenah 8 July 2005 22:51 (UTC)

Congestive heart failure, aged 77.

Hawaii Five-O
In the 'Career' section, there's no mention of his starring (and most recognizable) role in TV (nor the series he acted in). There should be more elaboration on it (how he got the role, how he got along with his castmates etc). I've not the research, to accomplish this task. GoodDay 17:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So true, exactly what I wanted to write. Seems like this article is not visited frequently though. I wonder if anyone would actually make this very needed change. Kvsh5 (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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Place of birth, etc.
I'd like to clean up the main Jack Lord page, which indicates that Lord was born in Honolulu, but when I look at the editing page, I see that all of the correct information is there, but for some reason the formatting has squeezed a lot of details out of the infobox. Can someone fix this?

Purslane 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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Article review
I'm responding here after being asked to review the article. I'll start at the top and just comment on my impressions. I'd be happy to do a reassessment on this article once these points are addressed. Thank you. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The sentence that gives an address where he grew up really isn't necessary. We don't normally add street addresses in this way.
 * Generally, personal life sections are located after the main portion of the article dealing with careers.
 * In the career section, there is mention of a list of actors with whom he studied, but there is no supporting reference for that. We also never refer to an article subject by his or her first name only. Either use the full name or the surname. The sentence "Prior to that he had been in several off-Broadway and pre-Broadway plays" needs a reference. You might try the Internet Off-Broadway Database for that. The sentence about a film being the longest running film in history needs a reference. The sentence containing "The Untouchables (1959 TV series)" should be disambiguated to just "The Untouchables". The rest of that paragraph needs sourcing. "50 Percent" should either be 50% or 50 percent. The sentence beginning "A noted "fast study" in learning lines," needs a reference.
 * In the artist section, the source should be moved to the end of the third sentence if it contains the names of the works of the linoleum cuts.
 * Death section: Alzheimer's Disease should be wikilinked, and the eBay auction should be referenced.
 * Fan memorial section: "Jack and Marie" should be worded differently to avoid stark mentions of first names only. The rest of the section besides the first sentence needs referencing or it the source is from the first sentence, it should be at the end of the paragraph.
 * Filmography section: You should avoid collapsible tables like this and the non-standard color of yellow. There is a standard filmography format that should be used and can be found at WP:ACTOR. Templates to use can be found here, in the first Filmography section. Note that any of the individual sections after "Filmography table begin" are flexible, and the standard titles on the example page above be used as column headings. Therefore, the rowspan can be used and combine the years in the year column. However, I'd suggest that the table not be sortable and it be divided into two tables, one for the Film portions of his work and one for the Television roles. The episode column can be integrated with the "Note" column and not italicized, but formatted like Episode: "The Chinese Dolls", with the episode title in quote marks. Then there would be no need for the "TV or Cinema" column (which actually should be "Film", not cinema. If you still feel the tables are too long, they can be spun off onto a separate and related article. If you have questions on this part, please contact me.


 * On the filmography, I don't see any reason to divide the table in two, but it's a viable option. Whether to make the filmography sortable is also optional. If you would like to do so, all that is needed is to avoid the use of rowspan -- which has already been done; whether to leave it sortable is up to the editor making the changes, unless future consensus is found to be against it. This filmography certainly needs work: whether it remains sortable or not, the base chronology needs to be inverted; the "episode" column is unnecessary, as has been noted; and the "TV/Cinema" column is also unnecessary, as has also been noted. Chicken  monkey  20:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh cripes. Thanks, Chickenmonkey, I completely slipped past the chronology. Thanks for mentioning. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The chronology is one thing that is easy to overlook because we're so used to viewing filmographies through the prism of IMDB. Chicken  monkey  22:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

* disputed* take it to talk before such bold moves; you're reverted; last two edits. Jack Merridew 10:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * And who the crap are you directing that to? You reverted the properly spun off filmography which in fact was also properly formatted to revert back to the upside and screwed up filmography on the page.
 * What are you disputing, Jack? The editor who was properly trying to work on this article, which you've managed to run her away because of your comments and conduct, or me, because I told her that spinning off is a proper option? And why do you dispute it? What's it to you? Because she spun off and cleaned up an improperly crafted filmography from the main page, just because you stuck in sortable?? What's your problem? Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:34, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * All of it. You are pushing your view during a huge series of discussions about all this stuff. It's all battleground, to you. You didn't want Robert De Niro's filmography spun-out. F&W didn't think it helpful, here. This was under discussion at WT:ACTOR, too. The code fixes I made were  all appropriate clean-up; I never cut your blue here and Maile66 didn't use it. You don't know boo about code are are not open to those who do. Please stop obstructing appropriate clean-up, it's disruptive. And try and be just a little bit civil. Just stop it all and sit down with Rossrs and I and discuss this appropriately.
 * I've no real issue with the spin-out as I believe big heaps of whatever markup (the whole table) should be encapsulated. I'm fine with the re-ordering of the base chronological sequencing, too, although I'm unclear if there's really a consensus on that. And the other columns that were cut should go. I've told Maile66 that I will ensure that those aspects her efforts are not lost. I'm fine with her content changes; it's about poor coding, ownership, and your belligerent approach. You don't own WP:ACTOR and it doesn't own these articles.
 * Sincerely, Jack Merridew 21:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I retrieved the filmography from the redirected Jack Lord filmography article. It was split into two tables; so, I just left it split. The table that was here was sortable, while the table that was there was not. I decided to make the table sortable.


 * WP:Filmographies advises to order films "from oldest to newest", and, frankly, that makes sense to me.


 * There's one problem I see with the "Jack Lord" -> "Jack Lord filmography" split: WP:Splitting advises to create the article with a "split content from article name " edit summary, the template should be placed on each article's talk page, and a summary should be left in the section from which the information was split. These are obviously honest mistakes, however, which happens to everyone from time to time.  Chicken  monkey  06:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * This works for me. With the table clean-up it's not so dominating of the page and in the edit box, which I see a a solid reason for spinning it out to a separate page. I'm the one that added the left-hand row-headers and I view this as an experiment; for bog-standard wikitables it works well. Thanks for taking care of this. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. Most of the tedious work was done already (at Jack Lord Filmography). The left headers are a valid option, I've recently used them on a few tables. Chicken  monkey  06:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ya, I saw. The left headers make sense from a semantic POV, too. Good help us if everyone thinks they should be gratuitously coloured. Got eye protection? See here. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Saw that earlier; it's ridiculous. Contrast simply must be taken into consideration, whether things are to be colored or not. Chicken  monkey  07:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You know that some insistent global styling CSS could overrule millions of embedded bits of styling? All it takes is consensus to do it. Bots could cut the snot. MediaWiki itself can sanitize code on the way to browsers and cut stuff, too (it's already doing some of this some styling simply never gets out the door; You May Not Inline Background Images): Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not know that. It's a little above my pay grade, I suppose ;). Chicken  monkey  07:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Career
The career stated here is actually not consistent with the source cites (2).

Article says:

"He spent the first year of World War II with the U.S. Army's Corps of Engineers, in building bridges in Persia.[2] He then returned to the Merchant Marine[7] as an Able Seaman before enrolling in the deck officer course at Fort Trumbull. While making maritime training films, he took to the idea of acting."

Source says:

"Until he graduated in 1942, he continued his sea journeys during the summers and then served in the merchant marine throughout World War II.

When World War II ended, Jack spent a year in Persia as a steel worker with the US Engineering Department. Returning home in 1946, he worked for a couple of years with the US Maritime Service in Washington -- making maritime training films..."

These two statements appear largely incompatible to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.25.71 (talk) 01:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Jack Lord, airplane pilot
In the PBS series Pioneers of TV, Crime Drama, it was said Jack Lord was a pilot. Unable to find another source, any suggestions? Flightsoffancy (talk) 02:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw that episode. It does indeed say Lord was a licensed pilot.  Never heard that before, and don't know where you find it as a source.  But it certainly did say that he was a pilot and also an "experienced sailor". — Maile  (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You might start HERE as research on that. Scroll down to the bottom of that page and see a link for a Discussion Forum. — Maile (talk) 23:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Death
My amendment that Jack Lord was rumored to have suffered from Alzheimer's Disease has been rejected with the reason that it was not a rumor, it was a "fact".

Although it was rumored that Jack Lord suffered from Alzheimer's Disease in his final years, the main source for this rumor was a National Enquirer article from the mid-90's. One of the sources listed for the 'fact' that he did suffer from it is a Daily Mail article from 2007 about the author Terry Pratchett which mentions some other famous sufferers. The Daily Mail is probably about as reliable as the National Enquirer.

I sourced a more recent People article where it states Jack Lord was rumored to have suffered from the disease. Jack Lord's wife denied he had Alzheimer's in an American Journal TV report from December 1997 (the month before his death), http://www.mjq.net/fiveo/video/AmericanJournal/, so what makes the currently listed 'fact' a fact? Do we have doctor's records or a death certificate stating he suffered from it? And how do we know that he had the disease for "two years"?

I believe "rumored" is much more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSM15 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I liked him in Walk Tall Like a dragon (in Jericho)", a rather senorous and off-beat western (it had the dimunative "golden F(r)og, Mel Torme, as an unlikely baritone-singing, all black-wearing, defrocked deacon killer-fast-draw gunslinger); and some Chinese actors. --65.88.88.253 (talk) 19:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)Veryverser

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Dubious
Longest running cop show? Z-Cars 1962-1978 Dixon of Dock Green 1955-1976 81.153.109.234 (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It says in US history..........neither of those are US shows, now are they? Niteshift36 (talk) 20:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I’ve removed the tag and inserted a reference. 73.69.251.97 (talk) 05:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Subcategorization and removal of cats
"Category:Military personnel from New York City" is a subcat of "Military personnel from New York (state)", "Category:United States Army soldiers" is a subcat of "Category:United States Army personnel", and "Category:United States Army personnel of World War II" is a subcat of "Category:American military personnel of World War II". For reasons of subcategorization and overcategorization, the included cats are removed. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Artwork
In May 2022 a lithograph and an original painting by Lord were featured in the Series 44 Portchester edition of BBC's Antiques Roadshow here. They were valued, by expert Mark Hill, at £300-£500 and £500-£700 respectively. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

One of Elvis's favorite actors
Maybe this is something for the trivia section. During the 'Aloha from Hawaii via Satellite' concert Elvis mentioned that Jack is among the audience and that he's one of his favorite actors. 95.90.236.154 (talk) 13:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

"Jack Lord": How did Lord acquire his stage name?
For most actors, there is usually a sentence explaining the actor's stage name. Eg, when they took the new name, under what circumstances, and how the name was relevant to the actor. Petzl (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

July 8, 2013
Jack Lord was in Project X. It was his first role. It is a different film from the Red Menace. The Red Menace is not known as The Red Menace aka Project X. Project X was released in October of 1949. The Red Menace in August of 1949. The source cited is in error. Nothing new it that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.117.7 (talk) 16:37 8 July 2013


 * The original reference cited, an obituary appearing in The Independent, is just flat-out wrong. There is no appearance of Jack Lord nor "John Ryan" in The Red Menace (the Independent article claims Lord was "billed as John Ryan" therein). (You can even watch the full movie on youtube .) Lord starred, as you said, in Project X (1949) aka Red Bait, and not The Red Menace (1949) aka Underground Spy. (Perhaps the Independent writer confused Red Bait/Red Menace, two similarly sounding, anti-Communist films that were both released in the same year?) Note that this is all just miscellany and not Original Research (violating WP:NOR), because all I am effectively doing is replacing an errant Independent citation (Red Menace) with the correct iMDB citation (Project X).--Petzl (talk) 17:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)