Talk:Jack Orion

I've removed the auto=yes because this is definitely stub.

Some todos (reminders for me mostly)

1. List tracks sources 2. List other musician (Renbourn plays on at least one track - just listenign to it now to confirm which) 3. Link to Black Mountain Side to highlight Jimmy Page's er, reinterpretation of Bert's arrangement.

Personally still baffled how AMG only gave this three stars, but I'm a fan not a critic.

The Gardener
Is this traditional, as stated? I thought Jansch composed it. Bluewave 10:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry! It says traditional on the record and Colin Harper describes it is a "wildly impressionistic" version of a song that Jansch learnt from Owen Hand. Bluewave 14:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Glasgerion
Jack Orion, the song, is undoubtably (no sourcing required) a version of the Child ballad Glasgerion. I’ll fix the link in a moment, and provide a back-link from that article. But where did it come from more immediately? I have a vague recollection that Bert Lloyd meddled [in the best possible way!] with the words and gave it that tune. But I don’t remember where I read or heard that. Does this ring any bells for anybody: with sources attached? —Ian Spackman 23:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Colin Harper says "Jack Orion itself was the vestige of a traditional melody, reconstructed by Bert Lloyd..." so I think you're right. I suppose he might have learnt it from Lloyd directly, or it might have been the result of one of his collaborations with Anne Briggs, who was well-steeped in the lloyd repertoire.Bluewave 14:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Rather strangely one of the instrumental tracks (I’m fairly sure it was The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face) was used as the theme tune for a sort of local news/magazine programme which followed the BBC’s six o’clock TV news in Swindon and the West Country. (Might have been called Points West, or might have been a successor to that programme). Even if I could source and confirm that I wouldn’t bother adding it to the article because like most trivia it’s too trivial to be in a Wikipedia article. But I couldn’t resist plonking the factoid here. Must have been a little money-spinner. —Ian Spackman 23:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The First Time Ever I Misattributed a Tune
"The First Time…" sure doesn't sound like Ewan MacColl's song; but on the sleeve and label I have here it is credited to Ewan MacColl. Are such publisher errors common? —Tamfang (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * On The Gardener: The Essential Bert Jansch it's simply "The First Time Ever". —Tamfang (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

NatterJames (talk) 20:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC) Bert Jansch took the original melody from Ewan McColl's song "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and played it as an arrangement on acoustic guitar. When Roberta Flack sang her version in 1972 she did not stick to the original melody as sung by Peggy McColl. So indeed Bert Jansch's arrangement does in fact sound just like Ewan McColl's version when compared to the melody Flack sang (and made famous). You can hear the original song sung by Peggy McColl here and then listen to Bert Jansch play it here.