Talk:Jack Palance/Archive 1

Plastic surgery
Regarding his disfigurement and resulting plastic surgery - this was apparently something made up by a studio exec.: see here:

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/jack_palance/

Though I can't find the original source of the quote. --Shibidee 01:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)Shibidee

i think it's on the imdb, so it has manifested itself all over the internet.

trezjr 22:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

From www.timesonline.co.uk (just put Jack Palance into the site's search engine and it will come up) is the following quote from Palance:

“One flack created the legend that I had been blown up in an air crash during the war, and my face had to be put back together by way of plastic surgery ... If it is a ‘bionic face,’ why didn’t they do a better job of it? The only plastic surgery I’ve ever had in my life was a ten-minute operation to open my nasal passages because my nose had been broken during my career as a heavyweight boxer.” http://cricketandcivilisation.blogspot.com

No homepage...
Many have asked why put anything in the "homepage" section of the actors' bio box if there is no official website?

Why not? 2 reasons.

First, it saves the user a lot of wasted time on search engines looking for one.

Second, it gives the impetus for these poeple to get an official website!

'Nuff said?

trezjr 22:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Jack Palance in a detective series
Does anybody know the name of the detective series that Jack Palance starred in sometime around the late 1960's. He drove around in an old Cadillac and in the series his daughter was in a wheelchair?

Check the IMDB.

trezjr 20:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not sure if you want it added to the page or not, but the title is "Bronk" (TV Series 1975–1976) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072481/ Neurolanis (talk) 01:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

One-armed pushup
Is Fair Use able to cover this wonderful image? --Masamage 07:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Marlon Brando
On CNN someone claimed, today, that he's Marlon Brando's understudy. I do not recall any detailed explanation. They only said it once, quickly. Are they accurate? Thank you.

{I've just found it: "Streetcar".}

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Volodymyr Palanyuk vs. Vladimir Palaniuk -- His Birth Name Should Be Changed in the Article to the Former
Why is Jack Palance's birth name, Volodymyr Palanyuk, given as its Russian equivalent, Vladimir Palaniuk? Jack Palance was Ukrainian and spoke Ukrainian. He was also the CEO of the Hollywood Trident Foundation, an organization established to promote Ukrainian culture and to:

1. "Support fellow members in their career pursuits in the entertainment and media industry in Hollywood and internationally; 2. Facilitate contact among professionals working in the entertainment industry who are interested in Ukrainian affairs; 3. Conduct seminars, workshops and other entertainment projects for members.” (The above information was taken from the organization’s press release on: http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2004/020432.shtml)

Further, at an awards ceremony on April 22 at the Pacific Design Center in West Hollywood, which was sponsored by the Russian ministry of culture with the intention of recognizing renowned actors of Russian heritage, upon being introduced to receive the award, Jack Palance answered: "I feel like I walked into the wrong room by mistake. I think that Russian film is interesting, but I have nothing to do with Russia or Russian film. My parents were born in Ukraine: I'm Ukrainian. I'm not Russian. So, excuse me, but I don't belong here. It's best if we leave." (The above quote was taken from this article: http://www.ukemonde.com/palance/russianfilmfest.html)

His intention in making the previous statement was to say: "Damn it, I am Ukrainian. I am proud to be Ukrainian and I won't take this c - - - any more!" (Taken from an article written by Jack Palance and Peter Borisow, entitled, OPINION: Ukraine faces a "cultural Holodomor" . Here is the link: http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2004/360422.shtml)

According to numerous news links, such as the following, Jack Palance was born Volodymyr Palanyuk: http://www.wgal.com/entertainment/10293594/detail.html http://www.celebrityrealname.com/jack-palance-real-name-is-walter-palanuik.html

I think that the name in the article should be changed to Volodymyr Palanyuk.

In short, Russians name their children "Vladimir," and Ukrainians name their children "Volodymyr." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshalljmc (talk • contribs)


 * then change it. -trezjr 01:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Vladimir Palaniuk is the English name. Volodymyr Palanyuk is just the transliteration from the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin. For an example see Joseph Stalin. Stalin's name is given as Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, not Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. I hope this clears up any confusion. --Zimbabweed 01:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is also true for Wladimir Klitschko. --Zimbabweed 03:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

--

Vladimir is the transliteration of the Russian name “Vladimir,” and the accepted form of the name “Vladimir” in English. This was the accepted English form of the Ukrainian name “Volodymyr,” once, too, as all things Ukrainian, Byelorussian, Georgian, etc., were long thought to be Russian. This was due to Russia’s wider influence both regionally and internationally.

Russian spellings of non-Russian names and cities (belonging to former Soviet nations) were long given precedence in English. However, what is the correct and accepted English form today is debatable. “Vladimir” and “Volodymyr” are, in fact, two distinct names. They should each enjoy their own accepted form in English.

When the nationalistic movements commenced in the newly independent states in the 1990s, many lobbied for the accepted English forms of these cities and names to be changed.

Lvov versus Lviv

“Lvov” was previously accepted as the English spelling of the city. It is the Russian variant. “Lviv” is the Ukrainian name of the city. Many international news agencies, including the Associated Press and Reuters, have already changed their style guide to include “Lviv” as the correct form, and not “Lvov.”

Kiev versus Kyiv

A movement is ongoing to change “Kiev” to “Kyiv,” as the accepted English form. The former is the Russian variant and the latter is the Ukrainian variant.

The Ukraine versus Ukraine

Other such changes include Ukraine now being referred to as "Ukraine" and not "the Ukraine." The former is the previously accepted form in English. The article before Ukraine is a translation of the preposition "na" in Russian, which is used for provinces, islands and regions, as opposed to "v," which is used for independent nations.

Baku versus Baki

Another example is the city of Baku, Azerbaijan. In Azeri, the city is called “Baki” and not “Baku.” There is an ongoing movement to change the name of the city from Baku, the Russian form and previously accepted English form, to “Baki.”

There are numerous such examples.

The accepted English form should be the transliteration of the name or city, slightly amended to fit the phonetics of the English speaker – not the Russian speaker. And trends of modern-day usage reflect this statement.

In cases such as these, involving newly independent nations, which were recently freed from the stronghold of a larger country, and oppressed for 100 years or more, what we choose to use as the accepted English form is of the utmost importance. The political and national integrity of these nations is at question. -- Marshalljmc

Name and Manual of Style
So why is his name shown in the lead paragraph as "Walter Jack Palance"? He anglocized his name to Walter, that's all. Perhaps we could follow Manual of Style (biographies) and its guideline for stagenames - the Boris Karloff example would work. This would adhere to the style guideline:

Jack Palance (February 18, 1919 – November 10, 2006), born Volodymyr Palanyuk, was an actor ...."

He was known as "Jack Bruzzo" during his time as a boxer, as "Walter Palance" in his early film career and "Walter J. Palance" during his early stage career. These names are all worth mentioning but not in the lead paragraph as they were used only briefly and he never made any of those names famous. It's also wrong to use "Walter Jack Palance" as the infobox title for the same reason - "Jack Palance" is the name he is known by - "Walter" was a name he adopted and, at least in his professional life, discarded. Professionally, I can't find any reference to "Walter Palance" (or its variations) after 1951, so I don't think it's correct to use that name instead of the name he used professionally for the last 55 years of his life. Rossrs 12:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

English pronunciation of family Palance
Good day. In ukrainian wiki we have other problem - how it pronounce (in America) the family of actor: [P e l e n s] or [P Λ l Λ n s]) ? --Movses 08:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's definitely "[P Λ l Λ n s]", dear Movses. Extremely sexy 13:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

How do you pronounce this name? I don't understand the vowel symbols you use, and you use no stress symbols. Does it rhyme with "valence"? or "balance"? or "France"?--207.237.177.70 (talk) 23:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

War over place names again?
I don't see why people make it an issue if the name of the city where he was buried is Kyiv or Kiev? The original entry was Kyiv, then people start changing it back and forth. Do we always have to fight over this?! It doesn't matter if it is redirect page or not, it is still the same city! If people want to call their town Kyiv, why does one always have to stick fingers in their eye? Is if worth it? Maybe we should focus on the subject of the article rather than on editing endlessly insignificant details to piss people off.--Hillock65 18:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My intention is just not to link to REDIRECT PAGES at all, hence my reversion. Extremely sexy 23:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It turns out he was not burried in Ukraine at all. --Hillock65 23:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct, my friend. Extremely sexy 23:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

error in the college years
(dec 26 2006)

the article states that jack palance graduated from stanford university in 1947. this is incorrect. he did not complete his degree. he was in the 'class of 194x' but he left before graduating and he returned in the early 90s to finally get it - thanks to a couple extra units for life experience - technically, he graduated in 1994. - - http://www.stanford.edu/home/welcome/students/after.html


 * Per Stanford University: "Jack Palance, ’49 (left one credit shy of graduating; Drama degree conferred in ’95)" http://humsci.stanford.edu/about/accomplished_alumni Wikiuser100 (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

There was a degree from Stanford on the wall of his Pennsylvania farm, which was open to the public for an auction of a barn full of his possessions, and that auction occurred shortly before his demise when his wife was apparently settling his affairs in his home state of PA while he was ill in California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.216.213 (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Why is this article semi-protected?
I don't see a reason for it. 71.114.62.228 22:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that's still because there has been an edit war not long ago about his Ukrainian name, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 01:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Palance/Darkseid connection
Once the semi-protection has been removed someone should put in a note that Palance was one of the inspirations for the DC Comics villain, Darkseid.

Anon

Oscar Controversy
I read somehwere that when Marisa Tomei won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress in 1992, the win was so unexpected (Judy Davis was apparently considered a lock) that many people thought that Jack Palance, who obviously awarded her the statue due to his winning Best Supporting Actor the previous year, had read the wrong name out because of his old age. The academy keeps having to deny this because it comes up so much. I reckon this should get a mention on here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.65.27.21 (talk) 10:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Please, add the link to Ido Wikipedia
io:Jack Palance - thank you, João Xavier (from Ido Wiki) 02:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I did: thanks. Extremely sexy 15:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

His death
'Natural causes' is not a cause of death. Many 90+ year old people are going to the gym every day. It is also bad for medical statistics and medical science to be so vague. Most celebrity news is now stating the exact cause of death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk • contribs)
 * Since when? Atypicaloracle (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Jack Palance was Ukrainian Catholic
I am from Jack Palance's home town and know the church his family attended. He was Ukrainian Catholic NOT Orthodox! --JessieBrewer (talk) 22:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mean Greek Catholic or Roman Catholic? As far as I know there's no such thing as Ukrainian Catholic. --83.9.132.73 (talk) 12:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)z

No Ukrainian Catholics? That is news to these people (Ukrainian Catholic Archeparchy of Philadelphia):

http://www.ukrarcheparchy.us/

Ukrainian Catholics use the Byzantine Rite but they say the Mass in Ukranian.

There are several kinds of Eastern Rite Catholics: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0246.html

The Antiochene Rite is the Liturgy of St. James of Jerusalem. This parent rite includes the following rites: The Malankar Rite is located in India, reunited with Rome in 1930, and uses the Syriac and Malayalam languages in its liturgies.

The Maronite Rite, located primarily in Lebanon, Cyrpus, Egypt, and Syria but with large populations of the faithful also in the United States, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, and Canada, has remained united with Rome since the time of its founder St. Maron, and uses the Syriac and Arabic languages in its liturgies.

The Syrian Rite is located primarily in Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and Syria, with healthy communities in Asia, Africa, Australia, and North and South America, reunited with Rome in 1781, and uses the Syriac and Arabic languages in its liturgies.

The Armenian Rite, technically a distinct rite, derived from the Antiochene Rite and is an older form of the Byzantine Rite. Although it uses a different language, this rite is technically called the Greek Liturgy of St. Basil. This rite has jurisdictions primarily in Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Ukraine, France, Greece, Romania, Armenia, Argentina and the United States. The Armenians reunited with Rome during the Crusades, and the ritual liturgical language is Classical Armenian.

The Chaldean Rite, also technically a distinct rite, also originated from the Antiochene Rite. This rite is also divided into two rites: The Chaldean Rite, located primarily in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Turkey and the United States, reunited with Rome in 1692, and uses the Syriac and Arabic languages in the liturgy. The Syro-Malabar Rite, located in India, claims to have originated with St. Thomas the Apostle, and uses the Syriac and Malayalam languages in the liturgy. Although the Syro-Malabar Rite was never in formal schism, for centuries no communication occurred between them and Rome until the time of the missionaries in the 1500s.

The Byzantine Rite, the largest Eastern Rite, is based on the Rite of St. James of Jerusalem with the later reforms of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. These rites employ the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. This parent rite comprises many rites, which are themselves highly ethnic oriented. The Albanian Rite, centered in Albania, reunited with Rome in 1628 and uses Albanian as its liturgical language. The Belarussian (formerly titled Byelorussian) Rite, centered in Belarussia with large populations in Europe, North and South America, and Australia, reunited with Rome in the 1600s and uses Old Slavonic as their liturgical language. The Bulgarian Rite, centered in Bulgaria, reunited with Rome in 1861 and uses the Old Slavonic language in the liturgy. The Croatian Rite, based primarily in Croatia with a significant population in the United States, reunited with Rome in 1611 and employs Old Slavonic as a liturgical language. The Greek Rite, which is centered in Greece and Turkey with congregations also in Asia Minor and Europe, reunited with Rome in 1829 and uses the Greek language in the liturgy. The Hungarian Rite, situated in Hungary with significant populations throughout Europe and North and South America, reunited with Rome in 1646 and uses Greek, Hungarian, and English in their liturgies. The Italo-Albanian Rite, mainly in Italy with congregations in North and South America, never separated from Rome and uses the Greek and Italo-Albanian languages in the liturgy. The Romanian Rite, centered in Romania with a significant population in the United States, reunited with Rome in 1697 and use Modern Romanian in their liturgy; in 1948, they were forced to join the Romanian Orthodox Church in Romania, but since the fall of communism, the Catholic Romanian Rite has regained independence. The Russian Rite, located mainly in Russia and China with congregations in Europe, Australia, and North and South America, reunited with Rome in 1905 and use Old Slavonic as a liturgical language. The Georgian Rite, based in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia, reunited with Rome in 1329, severed ties in 1507, then in 1917 broke with the Russian Orthodox Church and again reunited with Rome as the Georgian Byzantine Rite, and has struggled for survival ever since, especially during Communist oppression; the Georgian language is used in their liturgy. The Slovak Rite is based in Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Canada, and uses Old Slavonic in its liturgy.

The three largest of the Byzantine Rites are the Melkite, Ruthenian and Ukrainian. The Melkite Rite has strong congregations in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, United States, Brazil, Venezuela, Canada, Australia, and Mexico. The Melkites reunited with Rome during the Crusades but due to impediments caused by the Moslem occupations more officially reunited in the early 1700s and use Greek, Arabic, English, Portuguese, and Spanish in the liturgy.

The Ruthenian or Carpatho-Russian Rite is based in the Ukraine and the United States with strong congregations in Ukraine, United States, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Australia, and North and South America. The Ruthenians reunited with Rome in the Union of Brest-Litovsk in 1596 and the Union of Uzhorod in 1646. They employ Old Slavonic and English in the liturgy.

'''Finally, the Ukrainian Rite has large populations in the Ukraine, Poland, the United States, Canada, England, Australia, Germany, France, Brazil and Argentina. The Ukrainians reunited with Rome about 1595. However, Stalin forced the Ukrainian Rite Catholics to enter the Russian Orthodox Church in 1943, but since the independence of the Ukraine, they have reunited with Rome. This rite uses Old Slavonic and Ukrainian. '''

Polish, not Ukrainian?
His mother's name was Anna Gramiak, from the Lviv region and where was Lviv then? If the above poster is correct that he was Roman Catholic and not Greek Catholic then this further backs this up and I'd definitely say Polish. Indeed the Gramiak surname is most common in Wrocław, which says a lot. Western Ukraine was always been Polish land - the current border is a very arbitrary thing indeed. He might stake a claim to Ukrainian ethnicity from his father, but as far as I can tell his parents were citizens of Poland when they emigrated to the USA.--83.9.132.73 (talk) 12:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

That's what Id assume too. Her last name is Polish plus she was from the Lwow region which was Polish throughout history. Norum 23:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Palance's most difficult role?
I vaguely remember seeing Jack Palance on a talk show one time, and he was saying his most difficult role was ??? They showed a clip. My impression is that he was talking about cigarettes or cancer, or some such thing. His role was to play the part of .... (say cancer)... and talk about how he lured people in, and consumed them body and soul (or some such). I have a strong impression, but a bad memory. I see this as black and white, heavy contrast, and his head and hands fill the frame. It was short, too. Anyone have any idea of what I'm talking about? It was so stunning, so memorable that though it's been about 15 or 20 years (or more) I can't get the memory of the feeling he evoked out of my head. I just forget all the details!

Nantiealvina (talk) 08:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC) nantiealvina 1/21/09

Jack Palance appeared in a video on Jerry Lewis's Muscular Dystrophy Telethons in the early 1970s. Hard-faced and menacing, he stated "I am muscular dystrophy" and described the terrible things the disease would do to a victim's body. At the end he laid his hand atop the head of a small boy, who looked up at him innocently. Then after Palance walked away, the boy collapsed to the floor. Very, very powerful piece. As I recall, Lewis said on the air that it had been difficult convincing Mr. Palance to perform this piece, as he had been trying to shake off his "bad guy" screen image. - Zarabelda (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Fer crissakes, if he really wanted to shake off his "bad guy" image all he would have had to do was be a decent human being in real life. I was standing nearby when he bought a candy bar (Baby Ruth) in the old Beverly Rexall, and he threw his quarter right into the face of the diminutive, shy, pregnant young woman behind the counter. She started crying and I told Jacko where to get off... He ignored me and walked away. This was in 1980. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6AE5:2510:0:0:0:46 (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Palance Legacy
There is no mention on the Palance site about artist GENE COLAN using Jack's features as a model for Dracula in Marvel's Tomb of Dracula comic! I think it's mentioned on Wiki's sites for Colan or the comic but surprisingly,not here. Also, I don't have a source for this, just observation, but Jack's "Wilson" character from Shane, had an influence on Western villains: Before Palance, bad guys would talk the hero's ears off; after Palance, they spoke very little and barely above a whisper, like Wilson! also, does anyone have a source that links Wilson with Clint Eastwood's Man With No Name character?...MARK VENTURE (talk) 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Minor Correction
I have removed the reference to the Tehachapi area being in the High Desert of southern California in the Death subsection. Tehachapi is not in the High Desert, but rather in the Tehachapi mountains, which separate the Central Valley from the High Desert. 75.92.123.43 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

Minor Correction
I just noticed that the movie "Alone in the Dark" (1982) is missing from the filmography. I'm not sure if there are any other films missing, but it might be worth a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElectricOtherwise (talk • contribs) 19:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Minor Correction
The 1973 movie Oklahoma Crude linked to the National Indoor Football League team of the same name. I removed the link as an article for the movie does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88Dutchman (talk • contribs) 02:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

A caricature in Lucky Luke?
I haven't had it confirmed, but the titular character of the Lucky Luke album, Phil Wire, original title Phil Defer, is a dead ringer for Palance. If this is so, shouldn't this be mentioned as a fun fact? This sort of mention is routinely given in other articles. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The German Wikipedia states clearly that Phil Wire is a caricature of Jack Palance. Is that enough to go on? Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Palance was born in 1920 (not 1919); died of pancreatic cancer at age 86
a)	PALANCE, JACK was born 18 February 1920, received Social Security number 057-12-2514 (indicating New York) and, Death Master File says, died 10 November 2006. Source: Death Master File (public domain) (at )

b)	https://www.ebay.com/itm/401741990048 -- copy of death certificate with correct year of birth (1920) and cause of death (pancreatic cancer)

NOT TO MENTION ANCESTRY.COM (,, , and ).

65.88.88.200 (talk) 22:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That eBay thing is too small to read; and those Ancestry items require a login. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And they're WP:PRIMARY anyway. EEng 23:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's possible this new date is correct, but there is nothing here we can use. A death report is not a reliable source for a birth date. A website that collates death reports or an Ebay copy of something that purports to be a death report are even less useful. Meters (talk) 09:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just clarifying that the date and cause of death are already in the article. The IP is attempting to use this mess of online stuff to justify a change in the date of birth. Apparently there are conflicting years of birth given for him in different sources. I don't know why our article lists the 1919 date (vs the 1920 or 1921 dates) when the filmreference.com source we cite says "born February 18, 1920 (some sources cite 1919 or 1921)". If we don't have a better birth date source that that we probably should not specify the year. Meters (talk) 09:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Carol Burnett Show
Jack Palance appeared and sang on the Carol Burnett show in 1967, on an episode that also featured Liza Minnelli. Marty Mangold (talk) 03:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

"Walter Polanski"?

 * Palance (Flight Officer Walter Polanski) was honorably discharged from the United States Army Air Forces in September 1945. Shamokin News Dispatch, September 22, 1945.

(1.) Who's "Walter Polanski"? Did Palance adopt that name at some point? (2.) That citation should be made a. Sorry I don't have time. – AndyFielding (talk) 07:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)