Talk:Jack Sparrow/Archive 3

Archive(s)

 * Archive 1
 * Archive 2

I forgot to put an edit summary: All talk messages have been moved to the Archive 2 file. Do not post talk messages you have now in there, but here. It is an archive. Thanks! BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 02:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

After Curse of the Black Pearl
Just wanted to point out, as per PotC Wiki (this page: ), they mention that Jack teams up with Will to get a certain skull, etc., etc. I'll find their source (as I'm a regular contributor there) and post the information here. Just thought I should let you all know :) BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 15:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Captain Jack Sparrow

 * For reference: Talk:Jack Sparrow/Archive 1

Isn't this the exact name given to the fictional character, instead of just Jack Sparrow ? This is the first and final title producers and story writers gave the character, which therefore remains to this day. Shouldn't it be changed to the fully correct name ? Anyone agree ? Jonny7003 (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So what would be the point of adding "Captain" to an article that is perfectly precise? Alientraveller (talk) 18:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

But the name given to him from the people who created the character, gave him Captain as his status. Jonny7003 (talk) 18:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a notable, real person named Jack Sparrow? If that were the case, we'd probably add Captain here to distinguish the character, but it is not. It's not always about what the filmmakers want: in another franchise, there's a character credited as "Mr. Spock", but to the world he's just Spock. I just checked Google at the hits for "Captain Jack Sparrow" is around 2 million, half that for "Jack Sparrow". I suggest you look at WP:NAME, in which we go for the most common referral. Alientraveller (talk) 18:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, worth a try i suppose - even though the name is correct for the fictional character in which i stated. We'll see if anyone else agrees. But for now, thanks. Jonny7003 (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Section name Popular culture
Since the character Jack Sparrow is already in popular culture, it seems weird to have a section named "Popular culture" as if Mr. Sparrow were a real person. How about something like "influence" or "legacy" or some such? Arrr. --川原 (talk) 07:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Always better to have one word rather than two. Alientraveller (talk) 22:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Desiderata Tattoo
It is not possible that Jack has Desiderata poem on his back, as it is a poem that had been written on 19th century, or at least it is a film's mistake.

Pablo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.136.175.28 (talk) 21:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Featured article?
I read the article and it is pretty good, but it is not very aesthetically pleasing. One of the four criteria of a featured article is that it have images. I think three images in an article of this size is too little. Something needs to be inserted to break up the huge text blocks. Since I have never seen the movie, I don't think I'm the best person to take on this task. Cheers. FunBob1986 (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, any images of a near present-day fictional character are subject to copyright. Wikipedia tries to limit the number of such images as much as possible. Teemu08 (talk) 01:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

"back-to-back"?
What does "back-to-back" mean in "back-to-back sequels"? If it means they were released in consecutive years, that information is given by the years in parentheses after the titles.

To explain my other edits, "protagonist" means "main character", so you don't need "main protagonist". Ships' names are normally italicized, and you need a comma after a non-restrictive noun phrase in apposition. &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 02:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Please check
He is also the subject of a children's book series, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow," which chronicles his teenage years, and the character's image was introduced into the theme park ride that inspired the films when it was revamped in 2006.

This sentence from the introduction does not appear to make sense.

Please tell me how a theme park ride inspired the films after its revamp and the introduction of Jacj Sparrow in 2006. Jack Sparrow predates 2006!

Or does this actually mean that:


 * 1) There was a theme park ride, (existent prior to the first film)
 * 2) The first film was inspired by this theme park ride.
 * 3) In 2006 Jack Sparrow was introduced to that ride.

If my interpretation of this sequence of events is correct, then this is a very badly constructed introduction. Put the horse before the cart and inform your reader that the series was inspired by a theme park ride. Don't leave this important piece of information to be an adjunct or mere clause in explanation of the character's addition to a ride.

Amandajm (talk) 08:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Missing something
Could do a bit more with his background. Where was he born, what were his parents like, did he grow up on ships etc? --MacRusgail (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Non sequitur
"It was a nightmare for Rose..." - who is Rose, and why the hyperbole? OrangeDog  (τ • ε) 18:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

FA Status
Was this article rechecked before being on the main page since it was promoted to FA status in 2007? Pirate Argh!!1! 20:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Blue quote box thingees
Those are cool. If I want to use them, can I just copy the code, and substitute my text? Do I need to change the "class" text? What is "toccolor"? Noloop (talk) 04:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Info Box -- Books
Someone savvy in the ways of the Wiki needs to fix the info box. In the "Appearance(s)" section, the word "Books" is split into two parts, with the "Bo" linking to Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow, and "oks" linking to Pirates of the Caribbean: Legends of the Brethren Court. In fact, the character appears in several more books, but there doesn't seem to be a single article for "Pirates of the Caribbean Books". Perhaps one is needed.96.247.70.18 (talk) 07:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Name
Why was this article moved? I thought consensus was that we exclude the character's title. I see that that it was moved by about three months ago, who has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Can we move it back now? hbdragon88 (talk) 05:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you find where that consensus was reached? If so, I'd rather just go by that and move it rather than re-argue it again assuming we can find that discussion and it seems reasonable.   Pirate Argh!!1!  20:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Talk:Jack_Sparrow/Archive_1. hbdragon88 (talk) 22:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Moved per above. Pirate Argh!!1! 21:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you get on with it?
He is also the subject of a children's book series, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow," which chronicles his teenage years, and the character's image was introduced into the theme park ride that inspired the films when it was revamped in 2006.

This sentence from the introduction does not appear to make sense.

Please tell me how a theme park ride inspired the films after its revamp and the introduction of Jacj Sparrow in 2006. Jack Sparrow predates 2006!

Or does this actually mean that:


 * 1) There was a theme park ride, (existent prior to the first film)
 * 2) The first film was inspired by this theme park ride.
 * 3) In 2006 Jack Sparrow was introduced to that ride.

If my interpretation of this sequence of events is correct, then this is a very badly constructed introduction. Put the horse before the cart and inform your reader that the series was inspired by a theme park ride. Don't leave this important piece of information to be an adjunct or mere clause in explanation of the character's addition to a ride.

Amandajm (talk) 08:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

OK! That is my previous comment, which given the front page status, I would have thought would be cleared up very quickly!

Now, I have just found another little clue, further down the article.

''Johnny Depp was looking to do a family film in 2001, and was visiting Walt Disney Studios when he heard there were plans to adapt the Pirates of the Caribbean ride into a film. ''

It seems that I am going to have to do the absolutely obvious myself, which really annoys me, given that people have seen fit to award this article featured status and put it on the main page.

For an article to be "encyclopedic" you must state the relevant information, not just hint at it or give a link to some place where one might find out, somewhere towards the bottom of a very long page! Amandajm (talk) 14:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it was given Feature article status in 2007 and put on the main page in 2010 for some reason. Go ahead and improve the article.   Pirate Argh!!1!  21:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

New Main Image
I'm not trying to control what goes on or anything, but can we please get an image of Captain Jack with his HAT? Because he looks WAY better with a hat, considering he's CAPTAIN. So, if someone could get an image and put it on as the MAIN image, that would be great. :) 75.91.0.219 (talk) 22:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced content

 * From section Tie-ins
 * On the website for Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, it is explained that Sparrow once worked for the East India Trading Company and captained the Wicked Wench. When he refused to transport slaves, he was branded a pirate and his ship was ordered sunk by Lord Cutler Beckett, a company agent. Sparrow then bargained with Davy Jones to raise his ship, which he rechristened the Black Pearl.


 * From section Characterization
 * His morality is revealed in his official back story in which he refused to transport slaves,

The url no longer points to the information on the main Disney page describing these events. If another source or url to the info can be found then the prose can be restored. --Peppage tlk 21:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Beatrice Delap
Hello. Today I've found this article and after a minor confusion I found out that the information is verifiable. In my opinion there's a little chance for a stand alone article (per WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS (No. 4)). However, it could be an interesting addition to this article or to Johnny Depp. What do you think about it? --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Emanuel Levy comment.
In the "Impact" section of the article, we have a mention of Emanuel Levy saying:
 * "the character is the only iconic film character of the 2000s."

That review, however, date's back to 2006. I'm just kind of contemplating whether a source written in 2006 should be reconsidered now given the other candidates from the past 4 years (namely The Joker, let's face it).Sillywalker (talk) 02:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Armor
Has anyone else noticed Jack Sparrow bears a striking resemblance in both action and name to the character of Jack Crow from the book "Armor," by John Steakley?72.195.189.98 (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, this isn't a forum to discuss what we've noticed or similarities between characters, etc., etc., but to answer you, I think that Jack Sparrow is much more than Jack Crow in both action and name :) Although yes, the name is similar. Let's keep this topic closed - no forum posts, remember. BlackPearl14 Pirate Lord-ess 05:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Why not? I see references a movie makes to another movie/etc by naming similarity, parody and such all the time in wikipedia. I'm guessing the original "thread" author was curious how this "similarity" was never mentioned. --72.209.225.24 (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Jack Sparrows Untimely Death?
such a romantic figure for audiences as Captain Jack Sparrow has."[73] Entertainment Weekly put it on its end-of-the-decade, "best-of" list, saying, "Part Keith Richards rift, part sozzled lounge lizard, Johnny Depp's swizzleshtick pirate was definitely one of the most dazzling characters of the decade."[74] during Dead Man's Chest Sparrow was eaten by the Kraken.

Now concentrate on this and notice the last sentence. "During," is not capatalized and Sparrow was not so much eaten by a Kraken but killed by the Kraken. At any rate Jack makes a return in "At World's End," which is not even bothered to be mentioned. Also the last sentence is completely out of sync with the rest of the paragraph. I am in other words stating that this is vandalism from an off-editor of Wikipedia and that it should be removed at once (or at least polished up a little bit if you know what I mean). Please make the necessary changes. Thank you.-James Pandora Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.126.18.254 (talk) 15:07, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Jack's Beard
There is one referense in article "(DVD) Jack's Beard. Buena Vista. 2006.". What is it? Can it really exist film "Jack's Beard"? I print to google words "Jack's Beard" but can't find something about this. Sorry for my poor English. --Рулин (talk) 18:55, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There are many sources similar to this. I think they refer to the "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest: Audio Commentary". Blake (Talk·Edits) 19:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * May be you say true...There is one link: "Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio, Stuart Beattie, Jay Wolpert. (2003) (DVD). Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl: Audio Commentary. Buena Vista." . It is very good if any user will check sentences which refered by incomrehence links and will put new link - ("Ted Elliott...").--Рулин (talk) 16:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Languages
should there be something which says it is suggested that Jack knows latin because in At Worlds End he uses "Q.E.D" and he says something in latin and then says it in English "we are left with one choice". also its suggested that he knows french because in Dead Man's Chest he says to one of the pelagostos "toute de suite" Lilmissrusso (talk) 18:28, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
This tag was completely unwarranted. This FA article contains lots of info pertaining to Jack's costumes, reception and popularity. I cannot assume good faith with User:MiltonP Ottawa and have reported him on WP:AN. Alientraveller (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC) hes not captain forever "only captain for two years" said in dead mans chest(pirates of the caribbean) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.140.53 (talk) 13:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Section on themes and style
This article lacks sections that explore the themes and stylistic aspects of this film. Also, there is not a clear reception section. Reception seems to be mixed in under "Concept and creation". The "Impact" section focuses a lot on relatively ephermerial commerical tie-ins like Halloween costumes for one year. ChrisCopo (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC) its very true in worlds end his dream one has a poem on his back u cant read it though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.140.53 (talk) 13:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Name of the article
I think the article should be renamed "Captain Jack Sparrow". That would be right thing to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.79.202.75 (talk) 13:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * no i think mr sparrow jack is renamed as david — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.140.53 (talk) 13:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Any good reason for that?--Max Tomos (talk) 12:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Real (historical) Jack Sparrow?
There was a real corsair named John Ward also known as Jack Ward, whose nickname was Birdy or Sparrow. I thinks it worths to be mentioned in article. 79.173.121.29 (talk) 20:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not a joke (any more)... running for Mayor of Minneapolis 2013
I added the below text to the top of the page. If it ever was a joke, it's NOT a joke any more. The guy has filled out all the relevant paperwork. Having said that, he did sign as "C J Sparrow". The name as it will appear on the ballot is Captain Jack Sparrow.
 * Not to be confused with the "Count All Rankings" candidate, C.J. "Captain Jack" Sparrow, who is running in the 2013 election for the Mayor of Minneapolis, MN.

LP-mn (talk) 00:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no chance of that happening. The film character is notable, the guy in Minnesota isn't. The Minnesota guy's real name is David Viebahn, and this is just a pretty lame media stunt. The hat note should go. 95.166.21.98 (talk) 07:29, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

And he's on the 2014 ballot for Hennepin County Commissioner, District 4. This is a two-way race, not the 35-candidate mayoral thing. http://naomikritzer.livejournal.com/289121.html Also, whatever his birth name, his legal name is Captain Jack Sparrow. Lots of people change their names, and I don't think NPOV involves deciding that "Gerald Ford" or "Margaret Thatcher" (to pick two politicians who we know by names not on their birth certificates) are acceptable names and "Captain Jack Sparrow" isn't. Vicki Rosenzweig (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Herpes?
Anyone know what the deal is with the red 'sore' on Sparrows right jaw? It's in every movie. - the WOLF  child  02:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Based on a cartoon character... surely a joke??
Surely Jack Sparrow isn't based on a cartoon, Pepe Le Pew?? Is this a joke?? That is a CAT darn it!! 129.180.157.162 (talk) 11:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It cites a reliable source that unambiguously says that. Do you have an improvement to suggest? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 14:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Citation?

 * 1) Section Tie-ins is very underreferenced.
 * 2) The Pirates Trilogy told Elizabeth Swann's journey of being touched by piracy, while the fourth film told Jack Sparrow's quest for immortality. - if this is cited, please put the reference at the end of the sentence. I suppose it's not WP:OVERCITE.
 * 3) "In At World's End, one of the "Jack" incarnations is working stripped to the waist, and a full body tattoo of the anachronistic (1927) poem Desiderata is clearly seen." - is this cited?
 * 4) It was he who deciphered the seemingly unintelligible map in the same film while the others were still grappling with the problem of returning to the real world. When the Brethren Court convenes but the pirate lords fail to reach a consensus as to whether to fight the Armada or not (he and Elizabeth are inclined to go to war, while the others are not), Jack suggests a way out of this impasse by calling for a ritual vote whose results determine who will be the king. Every pirate lord votes only for himself or herself, but he votes for Elizabeth, resulting her being elected the 'king', after which she announces 'Prepare every vessel that floats. At dawn we are at war', which was what he had intended, and which other pirates are now bound to obey. - is it original research?
 * 5) His pacifism is further indicated by the tattoo of the Desiderata on his back. - citation, please.
 * 6) Although a pirate and willing to kill his enemies in a fight, Jack has also shown a reluctance to kill people who do not actually wish him harm, as seen when he preferred to simply avoid a fight with Will Turner in their first meeting (the fight being provoked by Will's insistence); when facing soldiers or navy officers who are only after him because it is their job rather than because they have personal issues with him, Jack has generally resorted to simply knocking them out or distracting them while he makes his escape. When Will is fatally wounded by Davy Jones, he relinquishes his dream of stabbing Jones' heart and becoming immortal and lets a dying Will stab it instead, thus ensuring that he lives, albeit not in the usual way. When searching for the Fountain of Youth, Jack noted that his desire for the Fountain had lessened when he learned that the Fountain would only provide someone with extra life if another died at the same time. - is it original research again?

These are not things that appear in a FA. I hope editors who pushed this to such a status can fix the problem. Thank you!Forbidden User (talk) 06:39, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Ref #30 is a dead link, by the way.Forbidden User (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

 Rob Kidd wrote an ongoing book series entitled Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow, following a teenage Sparrow and his crew on the Barnacle as they battle sirens, mermaids and adult pirates while looking for various treasures. is one of the extra-long sentences in the article. Does anyone care about this article?Forbidden User (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

About the structure, why would tie-ins go to such a high position in the article? Why is it more important than the things below? Another point is that why would the film section (about the films) be so long. It's TL (too long), though I did read it. , I'm not certain myself. Could you please explain these to me if you wish? I'd be thrilled if I can learn from you guys.Forbidden User (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)