Talk:Jack Staulcup Orchestra

Name mispelled
I'm Jack's youngest son Brent. First, I would like to thank whoever created this page for my father. Our last name is spelled: Staulcup not Stalcup. Dad use to list it twice under both spellings in the phone book, because he thought bookers/club managers, would think he had an unlisted number if they found nothing under Stalcup. It's a common mistake in the spelling of our name.

I'm 57 now, and seldom hear my father's band mentioned anymore. Most of his fanbase is deceased at this point. Although I'm not a musician, I traveled with the band frequently during my early teenage years. I will always treasure those times and the band members I knew then. Most were college guys then and about 7-10 years older than me. My brother, Jack Jr., played trumpet in the band. He passed away in 1993, and was 19 years older than me. Some musicians from the 1950's may recall him. Most of the band members I remember are from the 1965-1970 timeframe. The Casa-Loma Ballroom in St. Louis, Miranda's in Rock Island/Milan IL (2 weeks on location, summers 1967 and 1970) and the 2 private country clubs in Evansville and Louisville, are forefront in my memories. And of course The Purple Crackle in Cape Girardeau. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eelb53 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Concur that "Jack Staulcup" and "Jack Staulcup Orchestra" should be merged.
There is a recommendation that the two articles be merged. I don't know the procedure for that, but concur that it should be done.

As Mr. Staulcup's son I plan an expansion of the article in the near future. My father was a regional celebrity, in the lower midwest and midsouth of the United States. Mostly in smaller communities. The majority of his career is undocumented, or at best archived in lesser known newspapers scattered about the region. Research of this magnitude is beyond my motivation. The article will be expanded based on my personal, first hand knowledge, and that which was passed on to me by my father. In historical context, I am a primary source.

Prior to my appearance here, the article had been idle for sometime. I assume the article was originated by former band members. I welcome them to return and contribute to the expansion of the article.

Eelb53 (talk) 06:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Article Redone
I'm Brent Staulcup, Jack Staulcup's son. This article is a first person recollection of my Father's career.

The previous entry was done by an infrequent employee of my Father, whose brief article seemed to promote himself, and his current jazz band, than be a representative biography of my Father and his orchestra.

Sorry I don't have the expertise to break the article up into sections, Wikipedia style. I would like Origin, 1929-1950, 1950-1989, Demise, and Recordings, if anybody wants to help with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eelb53 (talk • contribs) 08:28, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The article has now been put into sections. Eelb53 (talk) 07:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Subject flagged by the idiots at Wikipedia
I see my article has been flagged for needing more verification. I'm the son of the Jack Staulcup, and a primary source of the information presented in the article. What about primary source don't you morons understand?

Good luck getting more information. My father's been dead for almost 30 years, and most of the individuals with knowledge of the orchestra are dead also.

If you idiots want to go digging around small town libraries in the midwest and south, looking for old, small town newspaper articles,then knock yourself out. But being this website is broke, and always begging for money, I seriously doubt you have the resources to do so. Eelb53 (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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You had some harsh criticism of Wikipedia and its editors on the article's talk page because I tagged this article as needing better referencing. Someone's personal recollections about a family member are not an adequate basis for an encyclopedia article.For someone or something to be notable by Wikipedia's guidelines, such as WP:BIO and WP:ORG, there needs to be multiple instances of significant coverage by reliable and independent secondary sources such as books, magazines, scholarly articles, or reliable websites. Wikipedia's content is created and edited by volunteers, not by Wikipedia employees. Volunteers contribute many thousands of hours a year to research, write and revise articles. It might indeed require someone going to a local library or newspaper morgue, such as in Paducah, to dig out information. If there were articles in, say the "Paducah Sun Democrat" from the 1950's about Jack and his orchestra, they would improve the article. Unfortunately no Paducah paper has placed its content online so far, so it would take someone asking them or the local library, or a local historical society if they have articles or information about him. The memories of some family member or band member can't just be plopped down in this article as references. See WP:RS. They are by definition not "reliable sources" as the term is used here, even if the people and their memories are by nature trustworthy. You really are not accomplishing anything by calling other editors of the article morons and idiots, except to get yourself cautioned to remain civil and discuss the articles and references rather than the personalities of other editors. Edison (talk) 20:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * (The preceding was copied from User talk:Eelb53 and pasted here by User:Eelb53. Edison (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC) )

I don't sign into this site often. But on chance of looking for information on another subject, I was met with Edison's word of warning. First of all Edison, I'm not your employee, student, or in any way your subordinate. I could care less about having any kind of editorial priviledges on this site. It's not important to me. There are no rewards or penalties to me personally, for being, or not being here. Fortunately, I have a life vibrant enough, that I don't have to spend endless hours (without pay) weeding through articles on relatively obscure individuals, to verify their accuracy.

I did not originate this article on my father. A one time side musician of my father's did. In my opinion, to generate publicity for a jazz band he had formed. The article was too brief to be worth mentioning. This individual has passed on in recent years. I became alerted to the article through my daughter, who spends time on here. She encouraged me to rewrite it, and I did. Honestly, as with many other personalities with articles here, I don't think my father is noteworthy of an encyclopedic type entry. And that is the source of the problem with this website. Everyone and everybody can make an entry on here. Then with your referee's shirt on, you guys come around and flag everything, because you're under the impression you're creating a great historical document. Your self-importance is misplaced. This site is a reasonable reference for quick information and nothing more. And it contains so many erroneous entries, the article on my father should be the least of your worries.

To illustrate how ridiculous your premise of verification is, and being you mention The Paducah Sun newspaper. I have the influence to arrange an interview with a Sun writer, and give the exact same information, verbatim, that I've written here on Wikipedia. The Sun publishes the article, and I now have a citation to put on my father's Wikipedia page. Yet, I have done nothing other than to give an interview with a reputable source. All because you and Wikipedia do not want to put forth the effort to verify my identification and authenticity. Eelb53 (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)eelb53
 * The policies and guidelines I linked to on your talkpage in the section you copied to here will explain that we do not work by verifying your identity and then letting you write whatever you want about your father. That would still not constitute a reliable source in Wikipedia's terms. People's descendants often are full of dubious "facts" about their ancestors. Yes, if a trustworthy source such as a general circulation newspaper published an article which had quotes from you, that would be a reliable source, at least that you said the things. If the paper prints as a fact that the person did such and such, then that would be a good reference, far better than "I remember the time dad did such and such." Thus is because newspapers generally do some fact checking. Why not talk to a Paducah paper when some significant anniversary comes up with regard to Staulcup, or if some newsworthy event could be created? He seems to have been one of the most prominent big band leaders from his area, and newspapers (and TV stations) always need features. Maybe some of the then-kids who played in his band in the 1960's could be interviewed. People's families sometimes have a scrapbook with vintage news clips, which would provide good referencing. If you are his son, then you might have such press clippings or now who has them. In one article he said he travelled with 950 arrangements. It seems likely he also had scrapbooks. Local history files at the local library/historical society can also be a good source.  Edison (talk) 21:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)