Talk:Jack in the Green

References & Evidence
I'm sorry, but Prof. Hutton is not a particularly reliable scholar (q.v. "Trials of the Moon" by Ben Whitmore). Moreover, Dr. Samantha Riches has conclusively demonstrated the pagan antiquity of the Green Man figures under another non-Frazerian model in her monograph, "St. George"! In fact, rather than intellectually explaining a custom or another academic view, Prof. Hutton merely attempts to attach it to Frazer in order to render it utterly discredited, which is lazy thinking! Some of Frazer's models are still important for use by anthropologist and specialist scholars from other academic fields, such as Egyptology and Sumerian/ Near Eastern Studies, etc. where scholars have stable evidence and proof of the Dying and Rising deity, regardless of what Prof. Hutton thinks of the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.20.64 (talk) 07:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Holly, Cissos etc.
The unsourced stuff about Holly & Ivy, Cissos etc. isn't relevant, is it? I've deleted it. &mdash;Ashley Y 22:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hands up, it was my fault - I put that info in there. Discussion of Holly and Ivy not relevant? Well, the crowns that the bogies wear are made of ivy, though I am not sure that all bogies would be aware of the background or significance, nor am I entirely sure what it means to these people. I have tried contacting bogies who partake in Jack in the Green, but it is hard. It is quite possibly a folk custom with no deeper significance. The source I got the info from was a pagan source, I believe, therefore there could have been bias within the material (not necessarily inaccuracy, it could be quite true). Same goes for Cissos. I was trying to insert text making an examination of the deeper issues and background. I can make a second look for the source if you like, though if it is not relevant here there may be little point. abdullahazzam

Here is the reference: The Green Man: The Legend and Lore of Holiday Plants. abdullahazzam

ADF reference
If a reference is made in an article with something like [1], isn't it supposed to go into a 'Reference' section with a link to the site/source there? abdullahazzam

Bibliography?
Most of the bibliography was added by a single editor, in a manner that looks like few if any were actually used as references. Probably best to move the bibliography to this talk page for future use. --Ronz (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be better to keep and expand on them. Warden (talk) 17:41, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

External links section sharply pruned
This article has been tagged for external links cleanup since February 2010. The vast majority of ELs were to personal pages and/or someone's hobby-site. I've pruned them back to just the newspaper article, although that can probably be converted to a reference.

The removed links, some of which are dead, were:

--rahaeli (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The Company of the Green Man - Jack in the Green
 * A Day Out with Jack and the Bogies
 * The Dirt on Jack in the Green
 * Fowler's Troop and the Deptford Jack in the Green
 * Historic UK - The Folklore Year - April
 * Jack in the Green Men's Morris Dancing
 * Paganism in British Folk Customs
 * 1066 Country Ltd - Photogallery
 * Twisted Tree: Bristol Jack in the Green May 2004
 * UK Student Life Photo Album
 * The Unbroken Circle - Folklore - Jack in the Green
 * Jools Holland's notes to Jack O The Green

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Update required
I've noticed that many of the details on this page require updating as well as citations. Unfortunately when I have attempted edits in the past I have been informed that I can't reference my own website despite it being a) one of the most detailed and up to date sources for information about the Traditional Jack-in-the-Green available. b) a not for profit website dedicated to making information about The Traditional Jack in the Green freely available and c) contributed to by many of those who either organise or participate in these events.

I have been informed that being present at and recording these events first hand is not classed as verification.

As such if anyone would like to edit/update the information on this page to help make it as accurate as possible please feel free to use and reference the current information available on my website or contact me directly from my webpage. To avoid detailing my website here and risking being reprimanded for doing so please just look up The Company of the Green Man.

There are now many more Jacks-in-the-Green who parade each year throughout the UK and it would be really great to be able to include that information here so that these fascinating folkloric events can be recorded and supported. Bogbadger (talk) 14:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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