Talk:Jackie Chan/Archive 1

Jackie Chan movies
Is Snake & Crane Arts of Shaolin also released as Spiritual Kung Fu? I rented something under the latter name, but don't see it on IMDB. &mdash; B.Bryant 11:33, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No, Snake & Crane Arts of Shaolin & Spiritual Kung Fu are two different movies.

Gram 16:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Spiritual Kung Fu is also known (and listed in the JC article) as Karate Ghostbuster. It is listed on IMDb under it's Catonese name, Quan jing.

He had another close call. He claims he was supposed to be on the roof of the WTC on 9-11, but the script was delayed. citing Mr Showbiz The film was Nosebleed, and involved terrorists blowing up the statue of Liberty. The movie may have been entirely scrapped. Snopes has its doubts and some moviewatcher comments do indicate the project wasn't ready for shooting.

I am not aware that Jackie and his wife are separated. According to IMDB they are still together. I will change the article, but if anyone has a valid citation, feel free to change it back. Fire Star

There's quite a confirmed rumour that he had affairs with another woman and have a daughter in around 1999.

Patrickov 16:48, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jackie has a abnormal relationship with his wife, he is not with his family as much as a normal happily married person would be though it has been like this all along.--Josquius 19:54, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Was Jackie a stuntguy in Fist of Fury?
I remember seeing some documentary or show where it was revealed that Jackie had a brief stunt role in Bruce Lee's Fist of Fury. There is one bit when Bruce is fighting a Japanese guy in the living quarters of the Dojo, and the Japanese guy is kicked through a wall. A shot shows him flying backwards through the thin wall and landing in an internal garden area. That supposedly was Jackie in that shot. Unfortunately it has been years since I saw the film, and I cannot remember character names (hence "Japanese guy"), nor exactly where I heard about Jackie's involvement. Can someone else confirm?,


 * Yes I saw that too. I think it was in my stunts or my story. --Kynen 17:18, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * He was a stuntman in some Bruce Lee film before having a minor part in Enter the Dragon. I think it might have been Fist of Fury (thats the one with Bruce Lee fighting against the Japanese martial arts master who killed his master right?) --Josquius 22:24, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I believe he was a stuntman.
 * He was defintely a stuntman in it, think back to when the final villain was flying through the walls, that's Jackie.--Yewyew 08:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Stuntman
I head he was the stunt double for "japanese dojo guy" in Fist of Fury from the dvd commentary. --Havermayer 03:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The article only focuses on Jackie Chan's work in hollywood and almost completely leaves out his (long) work in Hong Kong etc. Also what about his martial art style? (if there is one)

Martial Arts style?
There is so little about martial arts on this page. What style does he use? Actually he mainly uses Kung-fu. Despite of it, he also uses techniques from other types of marial arts such as Tae-Kwon-Do, Hapkido, Karate and so on.

Some of the kung-fu styles seen on his films are, Drunken boxing, Choy Li Fut, Northern Shaolin and more.

It is mentioned he refuses to star alongside "real" martial artists like Donnie yen. Yet he appeared with Donnie Yen in Shanghai Knights, where is the source?

Charles Chan
It's interesting that his father has a much longer article. I know that Charles Chan's article explains Jackie's "two real names", but should a quick explanation also be provided on Jackie's article, so as to prevent readers from being confused as to why Jackie has "two real names".


 * whuh? I just took out everything relating to his real name, other than the one reference that cited a source, apparently due to myself being confused, and my having no idea what an "ancestral name" for an individual is. - Nat Krause 13:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I figured it out, so I added back most of what I removed. As an additional point, can we figure out which transliteration we are you using and should use in the article? I don't know a lot about Conatonese romanisation, but I don't think "Cantonese Pengyam" is the same thing as the old Hong Kong government romanisation. Moreover, we have it as Can Gõhng Säng in the infobox, rather than Chan Kong-sang, which appears in the text and which seems to be much more common on the internet. - Nat Krause 17:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Romanisation
I think I figured it out. "Can Gõhng Säng" is, as it says, Cantonese Pengyam romanisation, which seems to be an obscure system which had an article that was userfied to Felix Wan-space. Confusingly, we are currently linking the words "Cantonese Pengyam" to Hong Kong Government Cantonese Romanisation, which is certainly not the same thing. We probably shouldn't use Penkyamp if it is not notable enough to have its own article. "Chan Kong-sang" is probably Hong Kong government style romanisation, which is the most common but is not all that clear. It would good to have Jyutping or Yale Romanisation as an supplement ... can someone translate the Pengyam into one of those? - Nat Krause 16:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Pengyam is linked to the Hong Kong Government Cantonese Romanisation (HKGCR), and they're defnitely not the same system. The article List of common Chinese surnames, which is linked from the HKGCR article, also shows that HKGCR specifies "Chan" as the correct tranliteration for Jackie's surname. I think we should only use HKGCR as the romanisation system for Cantonese in this article, and not clutter it with any other system, especially one as obscure as Pengyam. In fact, Pengyam is such an obscure system that a search in Google for Cantonese Pengyam gives this very Wikipedia Jackie Chan article as the highest-ranked page! 03:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Nicknames
Not sure that the nicknames should be included in the opening section, and also there is no explanation for them within the article. Possible detail: Gram 16:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Chan Kong-sang = meaning "Born in Hong Kong"
 * Pao Pao = meaning "Cannonball", the nickname his mother gave him as a baby because he apparently weighed 12lb at birth, having spent 12 months in the womb.
 * Yuen Lo = the name given to him at the Peking Opera School, taken from his Master's name Yu Jim-Yuen.
 * Sing Lung = meaning "Already a Dragon" or "Becoming a Dragon", Cantonese name, particularly used with relation to his music. It may also be noteworthy that his character in Fearless Hyena was called Shing Lung.
 * plus, his biography also mentions that prior to New Fist of Fury in 1976 he was acting under the name Chen Yueng Lung (or Chen Yuen Lung).


 * I've gone ahead and added this info into the article, and re-arranged slightly. Gram 11:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Jackie Chan Stunt Team
Please help! I've added a small paragraph and link for JC's stunt team, and created an article for it here - Jackie Chan Stunt Team. This may warrant a little more detail on the JC article, and definitely could do with more input on the stunt team article itself.

It's currently rather basic and of the member list, I don't know exactly who is a current member and who is a former member. I recently saw an interview with Mars where he said he will still work with / help Jackie, but is no longer part of his official stunt team. I'm sure there's a fair bit of additional information that could be added to the article, and the external link I provided seems to have this (including a small biography of every member), but the website is in French (which I don't speak). Gram 11:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hollywood film?
When did Jackie start his debut in Hollywood produced film? I remember seeing him in Burt Reynald's Cannonball run. Was that his first Hollywood movie? In which Hollywood movie did he first played a main role? Kowloonese 09:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

58.6.1.31 13:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC) Jackie's first Hollywood produced film was Battle Creek Brawl (also known as The Big Brawl) 1980. Directed and written by Robert Clouse.

Insurance
The article states: "'He is unable to get insurance anywhere in the world.'" Is there any real evidence for this? I think this is one of those things about JC that has been blown out of proportion, sensationalised and over-quoted (especially on the internet). It was my understanding that some of the more dangerous stunts in the more recent US films were not done by Jackie because the companies wouldn't insure him, but this doesn't mean he "can't get insurance", he'll be insured in those films as long as he doesn't do certain mad stunts.


 * Guinness Book of Records stated: "No insurance company will underwrite Chan's productions, in which he performs all his own stunts" which is completely different to what is implied in the article.


 * From IGN:
 * IGNFF - There's also insurance issues in America?
 * JACKIE CHAN - Yeah. Right now, these last couple of years, I didn't really hurt myself, so the insurance companies let me. If I do Rush Hour and I get hurt, then it's a problem. Now I've done six movies already. The insurance companies, now they send a security guard on the set. 'What are you doing?' They have a safety captain to make sure I can do it. They let me do not really dangerous things.

Gram 16:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

No life insurance company would insure him in his heydays and that is true.