Talk:Jackson, Mississippi/Archive 1

Historic Marker
This section is a little rough: Historic marker. Besides the fact that it says the hotel added a lounge in the 1060s, the language is in need of refinement. It looks quickly written. ~Jonathan (talk) 18:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wholesale Deletion of Images
Hmmm... why were there images deleted wholesale from this article? For example, the image of a Millsaps College License Plate and a poster for a production by New Stage Theater were both promotional images released either by a government agency as such (for the former) or the original institution (the latter)--uses which, if I'm reading the fair use guidelines right, did not violate copyright laws. Did I miss something? Absecon 59 03:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It is only federal government works that are in the public domain. It looks like thes image might not have good source information or fair use rationals. --Pmsyyz 17:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

My recent revert
I reverted recent edits made by an IP because I'm all but certain that they were nonsense. They referred to a "2005" US Census (the last one was in 2000; the next one will be in 2010) and gave a metro-area population of almost a million, which would imply almost a doubling of the population since the 2000 census, which has not happened. --Tkynerd 20:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * He may have been referring to the post-Katrina population. Many people from the coast evacuated to Jackson, and many of them were permanently displaced by the storm. (And many have since returned to the coast.) But you're right about the "census" information. Speculative and temporary population data has nothing to do with the actual city size. ~Jonathan (talk) 06:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Parker'ville?
Do we have documentation for the statement in the article that the city was originally known as "Parker'ville"? I fancy that I know a fair amount about Jackson's history, and I've never heard of this name before. I'm adding the tag there for now. --Tkynerd 19:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As a Jackson native (as well as someone who has written a sizeable portion of the history section of this article) myself, I must confess that I've never heard that Jackson had ever been formerly known as "Parker'ville" anywhere. I'd love to know where someone allegedly found this piece of trivia. Absecon 59 03:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Jackson was indeed initially known as Parker'ville. I found this out by doing a simple search on Google. I have restored the reference as well as sourced it. --  ALLSTAR    ECHO  01:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is, the aforementioned link does not cite its own reference to Parker'ville. This is a suspect item.Twright439042 (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never heard it called by any other names besides LeFleur's Bluff, Chimneyville, and Jackson. And since the reference remains in this article, most occurrences of "Parker'ville" on Google cite WikiPedia, besides the one superpages.com site that gives no reference. At LeFleur's Bluff State Park there is a placard giving a brief history of Jackson, mentioning the trading post along the Natchez Trace, but never speaking of a Parker'ville. ~Jonathan (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

What about culture?
I read Jackson, Mississippi has had an International Ballet Competition that was awarding a Grand Prix in the 1980s. I can't find anything about it in the article. There's a lot about sports and radio in the article but almost nothing about culture. Are there only high school students among the authors? -- Irakli D 08:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done! And next time, just ask, or add the information yourself instead of leaving snide remarks like the high school students comment. Thanks. --  ALLSTAR    ECHO  01:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we should also mention Muslim culture in the city, as it is home to the International Museum of Muslim Culture. ~Jonathan (talk) 15:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Online blogs and social networking sites
Regarding the Online news and weblogs section of this article, I don't see the relevance of their inclusion. It seems more to me as bloat and promotional spam. --  ALLSTAR    ECHO  17:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. If any of these news sources is itself sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article (whether or not such an article exists), then that source is worthy of mention in this article.  Since none of these appear to meet that criterion, I'd say delete them.  In any event, they certainly shouldn't be external links. Sarcasticidealist 08:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Listing of Private High Schools
Clearly there's some disagreement about whether or not Jackson-area private schools such as St. Andrews and Jackson Prep, which draw students heavily from the city 'proper' and are considered Jackson schools by most residents, should be included on this page or relegated to the Jackson metropolitan area. I think it's appropriate to include links here, possibly by changing the category to "Private High Schools Serving the Greater Jackson Areas." User:Allstarecho, I believe, disagrees. Discussion? Pumpkinshirt 16:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * As I told you on your talk page, on my talk page, and as it says in the article, this article is about the City of Jackson and subjects within the city. Any subject that is outside the city limits but that serves the city too, should be placed in the article Jackson metropolitan area as that's the more appropriate location. Things such as St. Andrews Episcopal High School, which is located in Ridgeland and not Jackson, would go in Jackson metropolitan area, not Jackson, Mississippi. Another example is the Mississippi Braves and Trustmark Park. These are in Pearl, not in Jackson, but do serve Jackson metro area (Copiah, Hinds, Rankin, Madison, Simpson counties). --  ALLSTAR    ECHO  16:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand your point. Of course, it seems like part of the collaborative nature of a wiki ought to be discussion about what does and doesn't belong in an entry. I think that in some ways having a Jackson and a Jackson Metro entry is more likely to confuse/frustrate/hinder someone seeking information rather than aid them, and that we're drawing bright lines where they're not necessary. I do respect your opinion, Allstraecho. You'll get no more trouble from me on this issue.Pumpkinshirt 02:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I do apologize if you deciphered bad "tone" from my reply, as that certainly wasn't my intent. All states have articles on WP and they all have matching related "metropolitan area" articles. For Mississippi's, see List of metropolitan areas in Mississippi. And even further, see List of micropolitan areas in Mississippi. I guess what I am trying to say is that this issue is WP standard and isn't about collaboration but more about organization in lines with the standard of WP. Does that help? --  ALLSTAR    ECHO  02:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do, and I acknowledge that my issue is probably with how the Wikipedia standards have evolved in this area than with your interpretation of them. I just think that if WP standards prevent simple linking to city-affiliated institutions that are just outside the city's borders, then it's possible that the standards have gotten a bit overly persnickety. I note, for example, that the New York Giants and New York Jets, both of which technically are housed in New Jersey, are listed on the New York City page, with appropriate mention of the fact. That seems a reasonable approach to me, and one that would allow high schools that are generally considered 'Jackson' schools to be included on the city page as links. That was my thinking.Pumpkinshirt 14:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent Events
This section has a confusing entry related to the 1970 police killing of two students at Jackson State, and how it relates to Nixon's second home front. I find it so indirect as to be incomprehensible. Is it supposed to mean this was a sign there was sentiment against the war? There had been larger demonstrations (as in 1969 march on the Pentagon) that showed that, and the Kent State killings of four students happened in OH 10 days before this incident, when National Guard opened fire there.--Parkwells (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Boroughs and Neighborhoods
I think we should create subpages beneath this article for each of the main downtown divisions (Fondren, Belhaven, Millsaps, etc.). Maybe we can make a temporary sandbox for all the information, until enough is collected to form each individual page. ~Jonathan (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section
I moved the reference to the extinct volcano to the "Geography, geology, and climate" section, and the two medical references could be placed in a "Medicine", but what about these two songs? They're about Jackson, but are not part of Jackson history. Should they just be removed altogether?  ~Jonathan (talk) 06:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rap Rocker Kid Rock made a song titled "Jackson, Mississippi" in 2003
 * "Jackson" is a song written by Jerry Leiber and Billy Edd Wheeler about a married couple who find that the "fire" has gone out of their relationship. The song relates the desire of the husband and wife to travel to Jackson, Mississippi, where they each look forward to a new life free of the unhappy relationship. Famous covers of the song include the 1968 Grammy Award winner by Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash. The song was performed by Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon (playing Johnny Cash and June Carter) in the 2005 film Walk the Line. (Note: There are some who believe the song may refer to Jackson, Tennessee.)

I moved the two medical references:  to the University of Mississippi Medical Center page, and formatted the two as one paragraph under the heading "Historic medical accomplishments". I've also deleted the "Trivia" section from this article. However, the medical references could be mentioned here as well, perhaps under the "Education" section. ~Jonathan (talk) 07:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The world's first human lung transplant was performed at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, in 1963.
 * The world's first heart transplant, using the heart of a chimpanzee (man's closest genetic relation), was performed at the Center in 1964. It beat for 90 minutes before it stopped.

Crime
The 14th annual "City Crime Rankings: Crime in Metropolitan America" ranks Jackson as the 23rd most dangerous city in America.[21] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.215.62.40 (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Downtown Jackson Renaissance subsection
Which are you trying to add and which ones are you removing and why are you removing them? - ✰ ALLST☆R ✰ echo 05:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Downtown Jackson
I'm trying to add more information to Downtown Jackson Ressinance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandra Davis (talk • contribs) 22:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But instead of adding more information, you're removing entries. Why? - &#10032; ALLST☆R &#10032; echo 01:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Downtown Jackson Renaissance
I got rid of the projects that are already complete, and added the ones that are not yet complete and that are underway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandra Davis (talk • contribs) 15:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

jackson or jackson city?
I have lived in jackson most of my life and never heard it called "Jackson City." This is the opening line of the article and it should be right. I am removing this unless someone has a problem with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcusyoder (talk • contribs) 18:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Civil Rights period
The assertion that Jackson was under martial law for one year following the University of Mississippi riots is not sourced and I believe is not accurate. It doesn't really make any sense, since the university is in Oxford, a hundred miles or so to the north, so why would Jackson residents have removed street signs to hinder the Army?

MissExplorer (talk) 21:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)MissExplorer

Too many lists
This article has too many lists - does every radio station need to be listed, attractions listed twice in Downtown and Historic sites, a lengthy newspaper history? I summarized the material under Redevelopment, as those projects would always be changing. Please consider summarizing other areas of the article.Parkwells (talk) 14:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC) Jackson lies well outside the Mississippi Delta.70.233.128.116 (talk) 19:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Editing
did some reorganizing to bring material on the Gold Coast, nightclubs, etc. earlier into main body of article in chronology, under a sub-header of "Jackson's Gold Coast", as it was the area where many musicians made their mark. Also noted liquor and gambling legalized, and changes to the district from integration. Made a section on "Representation in media" - for the songs and movies, grouped them together, adding tours of the city related to popular book and movie, The Help. Noted city is on "MS Blues Trail" in Lead. Editors - this is still supposed to be a narrative article; please use the word "and" rather than the sign "&" in the text. Added material on legal challenges to MS constitution, and info about congressional districts - where Jackson is included.Parkwells (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Jackson is not Delta
The reference given as supporting the placement of Jackson in the Delta is not true nor is any mention of the Delta in the citation. The authoritative "Hinds County Geology and Mineral Resources" by William H. Moore makes no reference to the Delta or the Yazoo River valley. The extensive clay of the Yazoo geological formations underlie the county, but that is not the alluvial deposits of the Yazoo River or the Mississippi River which are further to the west and the north. The Delta historians have mentioned Vicksburg as the starting point of the Delta in this state. If you travel north from Jackson on US 49 you will see the Delta at Yazoo City. http://www.worldcat.org/title/city-map-welcome-to-yazoo-city-mississippi-where-the-delta-begins/oclc/5407618&referer=brief_results — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comingdeer (talk • contribs) 18:22, 5 December 2014 (UTC)Church of the Rain (talk) 19:22, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Jackson, Mississippi
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 08:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)