Talk:Jackson family/Archive 1

Failed AFD
See Articles for deletion/The Stupid Family. Johnleemk | Talk 17:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no mention of the Jackson 5 cartoon series that aired on TV prior to the Jacksons Family TV show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.237.128.98 (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Error in who is married to who?
This looks like an error: Jermaine Jackson and Alejandra Oaziaza had six children Randy Jackson and Alejandra Oaziaza had three children

Unless Jermaine married Randy's ex wife?

--Renaissance le Corbeau (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think he did. Supposedly it caused huge problems in the family for a while. Sky83 (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

4TH GENERATION - MARLON'S GRANDCHILDREN
Marlon's son could not have had a child in 1991 - he was 10. This information needs to be corrected.

Joh'Vonnie Jackson question
Shouldn't Joh'Vonnie, the illegitimate daughter of Joe Jackson, and her daughter, Jasmine, be included in the Jackson family page? Fanficgurl (talk) 3:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected
I've semi-protected the page for now because there is a seemingly unending supply of anonymous jokers that like to insert their own names into this article. -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  20:15, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
The Jackson Family

Aerial759 (talk) 13:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC) Michael Jackson part. With his children listed i want to add another child to that list. Omer Bahhati and Janet Jackson the second. (Still not clear if Janet Jackson the second is his or not)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. The way it works is that you detail a specific change and someone will come along and make the change for you, unless there is a problem with the request. For factual changes like this, you also need to provide a reliable source for the information. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 13:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Aerial759. Do you have any references to support this? I've taken down the sper template. Please post the references here and then put it up again. Thank you.  Bejinhan  Talk   13:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Jackson family
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First generation
As of 2010, Joseph and Katherine Jackson have 26 grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren.
 * Joseph Walter Jackson (born July 26, 1928) and Katherine Esther Scruse (born May 4, 1930) had ten children together. Son Brandon died at birth. The other nine grew up to become professional musicians.

Second generation

 * Maureen Reillette "Rebbie" Jackson (born May 29, 1950)
 * Sigmund Esco "Jackie" Jackson (born May 4, 1951)
 * Toriano Adaryll "Tito" Jackson (born October 15, 1953)
 * Jermaine LaJaune Jackson (born December 11, 1954)
 * La Toya Yvonne Jackson (born May 29, 1956)
 * Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957)
 * Brandon Jackson (born March 12, 1957) (died at birth)
 * Michael Joe Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)
 * Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961)
 * Janet Damita Jo Jackson (born May 16, 1966)

Joseph has an illegitimate daughter with a woman named Cheryle Terrell: (Joh'Vonnie herself has a daughter named Jasmine)
 * Joh'Vonnie Jackson (born August 30, 1974)

Third generation
Maureen Reillette "Rebbie" (Jackson) Brown (born May 29, 1950) and husband Nathaniel Brown have three children together: In addition to her three children, Rebbie also has one grandchild:
 * Stacee Brown (born May 5, 1971)
 * Yashi Brown (born October 5, 1977)
 * Austin Brown (born November 22, 1985)
 * London Blue Salas (born July 25, 2005) for Stacee Brown

Sigmund Esco "Jackie" Jackson (born May 4, 1951) and Enid Adren Spann (born June 27, 1954 – died December 20, 1997) have two children together:
 * Sigmund Esco Jackson, Jr. (born June 29, 1977)
 * Brandi Jackson (born February 6, 1982)

Toriano Adaryll "Tito" Jackson (born October 15, 1953) and Delores "Dee Dee" Martes (born April 1, 1955 – died August 27, 1994) had three sons together, all of whom comprise the musical group 3T: In addition to his three children, Tito also has four grandchildren:
 * Toriano Adaryll Jackson II ("Taj") (born August 4, 1973)
 * Taryll Adren Jackson (born August 8, 1975)
 * Tito Joe Jackson ("TJ") (born July 16, 1978)
 * Royalty Jackson (born March 8, 2000) for TJ Jackson
 * Bryce Jackson (born February 21, 2008) for Taryll Jackson
 * Dee Dee Jackson (born 2008) for TJ Jackson
 * Lexci Mercedes Jackson (born 1995) stepdaughter of TJ Jackson

Jermaine LaJaune Jackson (born December 11, 1954) and Hazel Joy Gordy (born August 24, 1954) (daughter of Motown founder Berry Gordy) had three children: Jermaine and an unidentified woman had one child: Jermaine and Margaret Maldonado had two children: Jermaine and Alejandra Genevieve Oaziaza had two children:
 * Jermaine La Jaune "Jay" Jackson Jr. (born January 27, 1977)
 * Autumn Joy Jackson (born July 10, 1978)
 * Jaimy Jackson (born March 17, 1987)
 * Dawn Jackson (born 1984)
 * Jeremy Maldonado Jackson (born December 16, 1986)
 * Jourdynn Michael Jackson (born January 5, 1989)
 * Jaafar Jeremiah Jackson (born July 25, 1996)
 * Jermajesty Jermaine Jackson (born October 7, 2000)

La Toya Yvonne Jackson (born May 29, 1956)
 * no children

Marlon David Jackson (born March 12, 1957) and wife Carol Ann Parker have three children together: In addition to his three children, Marlon also has three grandchildren:
 * Valencia Jackson (born December 19, 1976)
 * Brittny Jackson (born 1978)
 * Marlon Jackson, Jr. (born September 23, 1981)
 * Noah Laniak (born August 16, 2006) for Valencia Jackson
 * Sophia Laniak (born November 11, 2007) for Valencia Jackson
 * Phoenix Sanchéz (born July 27, 2010) for Brittny Jackson

Brandon Jackson (born March 12, 1957; died at birth)
 * no children

Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) and Deborah Jeanne Rowe (born December 6, 1958) had two children: Michael and an unidentified woman (reportedly a surrogate) had one child:
 * Prince Michael Joseph Jackson Jr (born February 13, 1997)
 * Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson (born April 3, 1998)
 * Prince Michael Jackson II ("Blanket") (born February 21, 2002)

Steven Randall "Randy" Jackson (born October 29, 1961) and Eliza Shaffé had one child: Randy and Alejandra Genevieve Oaziaza had three children:
 * Steveanna (born June 17, 1990)
 * Genevieve Jackson (born December 3, 1989)
 * Randy Jackson, Jr. (born October 2, 1991)
 * Donte Jackson (born June 13, 1992)

Janet Damita Jo Jackson (born May 16, 1966)
 * no children

Fourth generation
Stacee Brown and Rex Salas have one child:
 * London Blue Salas (born July 25, 2005)

Taryll Jackson and Breana Cabral have one child:
 * Bryce Jackson (born February 21, 2008)

Tito Joe Jackson and Frances Jackson have two children:
 * Royalty Jackson (born March 8, 2000)
 * Dee Dee Jackson (born 2009)

Valencia Jackson and (Mister) Laniak have two children:
 * Noah Laniak (born August 16, 2006)
 * Sophia Laniak (born November 11, 2007)

Britney Jackson and (Mister) Sanchéz have one child: Best, --Discographer (talk) 22:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC) }}
 * Phoenix Sanchéz (born July 27, 2010)
 * Hello my friend...I not sure they are at all notable.  I have always had a problem adding this info as per Biographies of living persons and as per Relationships do not confer notability . If we were to add them we should apply what is set-forth by Biographies of living persons. But again i dont think they should be add as per links provided.   - - Moxy (talk) 04:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Moxy, nobody listed here in this fourth generation is notable. This listing is only to remain here on this talk page, it's not to be included in the main article's page. Also, I'm putting this together for some future project that we just may come up with sometime where this may be useful information that can be used. Thanks for asking! Best, --Discographer (talk) 04:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi guys, I don't know if I'm doing this right, cause it's the first time I do this, but I just wanted to mention to you that Michael's full name is Michael JOE Jackson, and not Michael Joseph Jackson. My very reliable source is his own brother Jermaine who actually mentioned that often-made mistake in his biography 'You are not alone. Michael, through a brother's eyes' (isbn:978-0-00-743568-5, by HarperCollinsPublishers). It's a common mistake, I know, but to be honest: it irritates me!!! haha. I allready changed his name above. I hope this was well enough for an input? regards, -- San MGee (talk) 02:15, 04 January 2013

Layout Suggestion
IMO, it would be better if readers could more easily see which of the people listed in the Third generation section are children of which people in the Second generation section. Maybe we should merge the two sections to Second and third generation and then list the children (indented) under their parents. Agreed? --82.170.113.123 (talk) 10:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Lead
I am not sure if anyone is going to see this anytime soon, but does anyone else think a little more, at the very least a sentence, should be added to the lead about the enormous popularity of Michael? The only mention in the lead is that him and Janet had successful careers. I think at least a line should be added about how Michael became one of the most well known entertainers ever in the lead somewhere.Zdawg1029 (talk) 00:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * As this is the summary lead of an article about the family, the two members you mention having their own articles, I feel that the weight given to Michael and Janet is just about right as it is. Britmax (talk) 21:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The only hint in the lead of Michael or Janet's success is the line "the continued success of Michael and Janet's careers as solo artists led the Jacksons to become known as the "Royal Family of Pop". Personally I think there should be some kind of quick mention in the lead of the overwhelming success Michael accomplished, even something as short as "Michael faced overwhelming success as a solo artist".Zdawg1029 (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see why it would need to be mentioned. The first few paragraphs mention Michael Jackson several times  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.100.18.28 (talk) 03:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * If you take away Michael's success, this family would have a very different distinction. His solo career, and to a lesser extent Janet's, is the only reason anyone has paid any attention to this family since the early 80's. Michael's success is like 85% of what this family has accomplished. So I think it is very relevant mentioning in the lead that Michael's success has greatly attributed to this family being considered who they are. But if you don't think it is relevant then fine, leave it out, I mean it's not like he has the best selling album of all time or is considered the most successful artist of all time by the Guinness Book of World Records. So yeah Michael's enormous success has little to do with the popularity of this family I guess. Zdawg1029 (talk) 03:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Third generation
I know we took out the third generation section, but since a few members from it are indeed notable, I have added a small thing about them. If they have a Wiki page I think they are notable enough. The last two, Jackies son and Jermaines son I was thinking twice about however, but the other ones I believe should stay.Zdawg1029 (talk) 01:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Jackson family Tree
I suggest we add a family tree in the article, to let everyone see how large the family is. Besides, some names of the Third Generation aren't mentioned, to to mention that some of them already have children of their own, creating a Fourth Generation. We can't let them be unnoticed just like that. If no one will make one, then I'll do it. DayKey (talk) 08:41, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The reason many of the third and all of the fourth generation are not mentioned is because they are simply not notable. They can be mentioned on each individuals persons page, but it is unnecessary here, so a family tree would not be necessary. Not to mention it really isn't that hard to figure out the way it is laid out now. Zdawg1029 (talk) 23:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Joh'Vonnie Jackson
Someone edited Joh Vonnies part to not include her name, just the mention that Joe has another daughter through an affair. While I believe if she is going to be brought up at all on this particular page, we can indeed mention her name, I believe more she does not even need to be mentioned on this page. She is mentioned on Joes page, her being brought up on this page is just unnecessary. If you don't agree, explain why.Zdawg1029 (talk) 19:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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hallo
kaasmottenballen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.132.217 (talk) 09:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)