Talk:Jacques Cousteau/Archive 1

Early discussions

 * Never mind-I am answering my own question. jo
 * I can't figure out how to add an article about Simone Melchior??jo 18:01, 15 November 2003 User:Jo.G


 * Wow, thanks, Gianfranco. That's the   he was a cuber diver      best article I've read in weeks. Keep up the good work. --Ed Poor 10:02, 1 August 2002

meszigues 20:21, 13 October 2002 User:Meszigues
 * Hi, I have translated this article for the french version of Wikipedia. Thus I have done some adaptations and ameliorations :
 * I wrote some precision during the WWII,
 * I corrected the chronology,
 * I precise some part with "the dark" side of JYC,
 * I tried to make the article more neutral.
 * As I'm not an english native speaker, it will be difficult for me to write back these modifications. But, if someone would like to do this I will help this person with pleasure.
 * I too miss some mentioning of the "dark sides" of Mr Cousteau. Although some of his methods were considered justified as means to the cause back in the day, they should still be discussed in an open matter to get the full picture of this legend. --lowcrust 01:09, 22 December 2006 User:213.236.226.202
 * What do you think to notice this debate in the article ? Chmouel 19:03, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * I did not know that Cousteau has ever been a spy during WWII. I read his book "The World of Silence" and in does not mention anything of the kind. Do you have any pointers for that? David.Monniaux 19:33, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * this is a well know thing, for example you can read it from one of the book who talk about him. | Chmouel 19:56, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, in "the World of Silence", he mentions that he used to be a naval officer, then spent some time during the war trying to perfect diving equipment. He said he was mistaken by the Germans and Italians for some kind of spy at several times. Is there any kind of confirmation about any actual spy work from Cousteau's mouth himself? Why didn't he talk about it in his best-seller book? David.Monniaux 22:05, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree. JVC was a spy in 1939. Check out Alex Madsen's Cousteau- An Unauthorized Biography. 1986. He also did minesweeping work with his aqua lung in enemy harbors. Jo.g 22:29, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)

What about Jean-Michel and Phillipe?
One of the great tragedies of the Cousteau legacy was the loss of his son Philippe. How come neither Philippe or Jean-Michel are mentioned in his biography? As I recall, there was some ill will with Jean-Michel that took place in his later years (http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030303/i030303.html) and maybe some other shenanigans. Demetrick 02:32, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Did Cousteau die in the cemetary?
"He died on 25 June 1997 aged 87 of a heart attack while recovering from a respiratory illness in the Cousteau family plot at Saint-André-de-Cubzac Cemetery, Saint-André-de-Cubzac, France."

I assume Mr. Cousteau did not actually die in the cemetary. :-) Jmturner 14:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC) if yow want answer your self

it said that he was buried in the cemetery who ever said the previous headline!

Authenticity controversy
After Cousteau died, some of his crew claimed that scenes had been faked in his films. The media gave this significant attention at the time, and I think of it as the most important event in Cousteau's biography after his death. There were also a number of controversies during his life. In addition to these ommissions, the whole thing reads a bit hagiographic. Vagary 06:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Well it cannot be said that he didn't ruffle some feathers! If memory serves, there is an interesting story of how they got into the Blue Hole in Belize. Hundreds of divers per year can now dive inside the blue hole because Cousteau and crew dynamited their way through the coral to make a channel for the Calypso... It certainly shows a dichotomy in the makeup of this "ecologist". On the other hand, JY Cousteau did incredible things to highlight this earth's Innerspace. Hundreds of thousands of people are/were inspired by his stories, real or fake... --Arkayik 04:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Trying to help...
I've added/corrected some of the informaton about his dives at Fontaine-de-Vaucluse. There aren't too many sources online for easy referencing, but plenty if you visit the town in Provence, France. 62.147.137.100 17:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC) David

Parents' names ... two versions
Which is it? And does the birthplace take hyphens? Phillipe is probably a misspelling of Philippe and Mary doesn't sound French at all.

Cousteau was born in Saint André de Cubzac, France to Daniel and Elizabeth Cousteau on June 11, 1910 and died in Paris, France.

or

Jacques-Yves Cousteau was born in Saint-André-de-Cubzac, France to Phillipe Cousteau (a lawyer) and Mary Cousteau.

61.246.59.83 11:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Medal?
I recently read in a biography that Jacques received a medal from National Geographic which was presented by J.F.K. I thought maybe that should be in here too. Jazaray 03:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)Jazaray

Popular culture section
The Popular Culture section of the article is far too long and includes some references that are incidnetial at best and certainly don't represent any lasting contribution to popular culture. I propose a major cull of the list, but am interested in other's viws first.

If no one has a contrary view (or if no one cares either way) I'll do the cull in a few days time. Euryalus 09:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing as no one expressed a view, I have removed those references which were incidental, such as single uses of the name in an otherwise unrelated TV show episode; songs allegedly (but not explicitly) based on Cousteau and references to the name in desk calendars and he like. Some of the references I left in are still a little tenuous and all of them are unsourced. This will be addressed as part of a wider cleanup of the article.  -- Euryalus (talk) 19:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Plastic Bertrand
Plastic Bertrand is not french-Canadian. He's belgian. I've modified this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.70.28 (talk) 19:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Jacques Cousteau converted to Islam?
do any one have any in formation about this ??coz i heared it in a tv show ,claimin' that Cousteau has converted to islam after he reads a chapter from their holy book where something about the salt water and river water don't get mixed>> IS THAT TRUE??


 * No. Many stories of conversions, based on scientific miracles and the like, have been forged.

I believe it was in 1962, after researching the fact that the water from the mediterranean sea and the atlantic ocean don't mix as mentioned in the Quran 55:19-20 and 25:53


 * Source? -Will Beback 23:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this is a hoax. See here. He was a lifelong Catholic and his funeral services were held at Notre Dame de Paris. 68.40.65.164 (talk) 00:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * yeah, that is definitely a hoax.... WacoJacko (talk) 15:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Discovery of Abu Dhabi oil?
They are showing the Cousteau documentaries here on Finnish television currently. One show had pictures of Cousteau diving and supposedly surveying the sea around Abu Dhabi, and discovering what the narration leads one to believe, are the whole oil wealth of that country, or at the very least, the first oil fields of that country, in the sea.

I have very little trust in the perfect fidelity to truth of that narration, but since there isn't anything even close to that mentioned in the article, I wonder how far distorted the narration of that particular section of the documentary episode is... Is it merely exaggerated to an impossible degree, totally fabricated for fictional dramatization, or (to my surprise, if it is) totally accurate and factual? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The so-called "divulgationism" ?
There are currently with Google only 5 results for : divulgationism

is "divulgationism" correct ?

90.2.83.68 16:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is an "english" translation of the french term "divulgationisme"... the problem is there really is no english term for this word so divulgationism is not really a word... so it might be a good idea to revert to the French term (which is still a very rare word in the French language, Cousteau may have invented this term according to something I read - so that could also be investigated). - Chris - Unregisterd user - 10 july 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.85.62 (talk) 16:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Laguna azul paliaikes region in "suthern" patagonia
Can anyone provide detailed information on this?? Someone added this line to the page in a random place so I am moving it to the discussion page here's what they wrote: "He was also known for his long researches in the laguna azul paliaikes region in suthern patagonia" I'm guessing this might have been written by a spanish-speaker from that part of south america so it might be an aspect of cousteaus career that is less known to the english speaking world. Anyhow ff there's something to this perhaps someone would like to add it in a more detailed manner. -chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.85.62 (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Gwar song about Cousteau
Gwar has a song titled "Je M' Appelle J. Cousteau" from their 1988 debut album Hell-o that paints a very unflattering picture of Cousteau. It should be included in the Popular Culture section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.130.209 (talk) 21:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Popular culture section (again)
Around a year ago I proposed a cull of the "Popular Culture" section to remove incidental and trivial mentions of Cousteau, such as a single mention of his name by a character in one episode of a sitcom. Essentially I proposed to retain references where the medium was entirely about Cousteau (for example, a song specifically about him or his life) or where the mention had an undeniable cultural impact (if for example, a movie is formally dedicated to his memory, or a notable object in the film/book is named after him), and remove passing mentions which ahd no apparent cultural impact. As no one objected, I went ahead and edited the list.

A year later, we're back where we started with random passing mentions and an overlong list of trivia. I've therefore dione another cull and removed the items listed below:


 * In an episode of Full House, Joey makes a few jokes on Jacques Cousteau in his appearance on Star Search.
 * In 1993, rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard refers to Cousteau in the song Da Mystery of Chessboxin'  on the Wu-Tang Clan album Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers). (Here I go - Deep type flow - Jacques Cousteau could never get this low)
 * The band Incubus refers to Cousteau in their single Nice To Know You, which is in the album Morning View. ("Deeper than the deepest Cousteau would ever go / Higher than the heights of what we often think we know")
 * Musician Matthew Thiessen refers to Jacques Cousteau as being one of his role models in his song Trademark.
 * In season 6, episode 9 of Friends The One Where Ross Got High, Phoebe has a dream about Jacques Cousteau and declares her love for him. Mrs. Geller tells her that she thinks he's dead.
 * In the song "Twist My Arm", singer Gordon Downie of The Tragically Hip references Jacques Cousteau in the opening lyrics.
 * In Finding Nemo, the title character shares a tank with a Pacific cleaner shrimp named Jacques.
 * Blue Öyster Cult mentions Cousteau in the song "Perfect Water" in the 1986 album "Club Ninja".
 * Indie artist and multi-instrumentalist, Andrew Bird, refers to Jacques Cousteau in his song entitled "lull." ("being alone it can be quite romantic, like Jacques Cousteau underneath the Atlantic")
 * Billy Connolly makes a reference to Cousteau in his "Was It Something I said?" DVD. According to Connolly "The only man allowed in (the oceans) was Jacques Cousteau and he could tell us what it's like, and fuck the rest, they're just ruining the place".
 * On Survivor: Micronesia, contestant James comments in regard to raging sea waters that "Even Popeye wouldn't go in that. You would die! Jacques Costeau would be like, 'damn'!"

The edit seems uncontroversial, but obviously if anyone disagrees let's discuss and see if a consensus can be reached on these changes. Euryalus (talk) 05:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Defense of the environment
I rewrote this section to syntactically-correct English. Its claims are not referenced, and I didn't edit for factual correctness, only syntax. I eliminiated the following sentence, which followed the mention of a documentary film in Antartica with children:


 * It also refused to engage in policy at the side of the ecologists, not to give prizes to the personal attacks of the adversaries.

I don't know if the 'it' in this sentence is supposed to be the film, or Cousteau himself, and it's too ambiguous to re-write: did he refuse to side with ecologists to avoid validating personal attacks he had been subject to, or did he not want to give his critics grounds to criticize the film by staking an ecological position?

Billon (talk) 05:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
Some of the article is just a list of facts; until I edited it a moment ago, it mentioned his birth/death dates many times &mdash; as though it had been thrown together from a number of independent short pieces, each containing some of the same details. It needs to be turned into an article, in (encyclop&alig;dia-appropriate) English prose. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems this article still requires some substantial cleanup. The whole thing reads rather awkwardly and is not well-written. I have tried to clear up some of the summary and the early biographical information, some of which is still not cited and is not found anywhere, even in Chambers. I cannot spend the time to do the whole thing, but hope that it gets the attention it needs. Peaky beaky (talk) 06:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

General disorder
The page is full of great facts but the organization of this page and it's labels are completely disorganized. The "childhood and early career" section talked about his marriages and his death! so I relabled it "Personal Life" .. the 1950's section coverd 50-70s so I relabled it, same with the 1990's section. But those sections are all scattered between the sections on his varioud discoveries... Perhaps a better way to organize the page is a complete chronology without major headings. -- Chris - Unregistered user - 10 July 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.85.62 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Continuing with my last post about the general disorder. I edited the page a bit. I did not delete any information except for a couple repeats about him "inventing the aqualung" which is not correct anyway. I included the section called "biology" in the chronology of his career and did the same with the section titled "Exploration" (also a fairly weak section on its own). This page really needs much more work.

Hope I have not destroyed you rwork, but further to my comments under "Cleanup" I have also done some rearranging to make this article more readable. It is rather clumsily written still and requires more attention.Peaky beaky (talk) 06:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect age at death
Cousteau died in 1997 and was born in 1910, so dying at the age of 93 is impossible. I've modified this.192.206.151.130 (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Jacques-Yves Cousteau died on 25 June 1997 in Paris, aged 87. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.76.168.235 (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Is the brother really necessary?
I have read the article about Captain Cousteau and was slightly stunned by how much stress was put on Cousteau's brother's anti- Semitic views. I do not believe it is necessary to mention that fact in the biography of Mr. Cousteau not only because it has nothing to do with the Captain's personal life but because it makes the article charged and not neutral. Instead of accenting how Mr. Cousteau was a brilliant marine biologist and how he achieved brilliance through his life, the article accents the fact that his brother was anti- Semitic. Slightly unnecessary, don't you think? D.Medvedko (talk) 02:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The article has one line about his brother, which is sufficient as the brother has his own article. Close family members are routinely mentioned on biographies; he is not over-emphasised at all. Biographies 2 (talk) 01:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

This article is a mess
How can such an important person have such an awful Wilipedia entry? "He also liked cats"?! I'm too new at this, and not enough of an expert on Cousteau, to rewrite this myself, but please, will someone step forward and give this article the help it needs and deserves? People have been observing for months how poor this piece is. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lafong (talk • contribs) 06:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. The cats statement seems a little spammy. I would remove it, but it seems that I am unable to edit this article as I am new to Wikipedia myself. Empty Feeling (talk) 09:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Euryalus. I see that you've edited it out. Empty Feeling (talk) 10:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, though there's plenty more to do here - the biography component is a largely unsourced list of happenings, great or small, accurate or speculation. The cats thing was just one of many things that needs either a reference or removal.


 * I've also removed the page protection for now, so feel free to edit the article directly. Unfortunately this is a common vandalism target, so we'll see how it goes over the next few days. Euryalus (talk) 10:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

British band "Here and Now" also wrote a song about Jacques Cousteau
Here & Now (band) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_%26_Now_(band)

The album is called Fantasy Shift and was released in 1983. You can find the lyrics here: http://www.planetgong.co.uk/downloads/lyrics/fantasyshift.shtml#cousteau

Sonicsavage (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Economist book review
This book review contains a number of salient facts: http://www.economist.com/books/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14743394

“So it may come as a surprise to those who grew up with the captain to find that in the years of his great celebrity, Cousteau was rarely on board the Calypso. He had a helicopter landing pad built on the ship which enabled him to fly in for an occasional hour or two of filming. Many episodes were actually a fricassee of archive footage spiced with more recent shots.

So where was the captain while Calypso roved? By the 1970s Cousteau was effectively a multinational CEO, dividing his time between lecturing, lobbying and raising money. He divided his time in other ways too: on the death of his wife Simone in 1990, the Cousteau children were surprised to discover that for almost 20 years their father had maintained in secret a second family—a family that now controls the Cousteau estate and legacy.

So what is Cousteau’s legacy? If you consult the index of “A History of Oceanography”, a scholarly account published at the very height of his fame, you will find no entries at all under his name. His real contribution was to stoke the popular imagination with images of life beneath the surface of the seas, as seen by men in well-tailored diving gear.”

Perhaps some of that should be incorporated into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilnyckyj (talk • contribs) 20:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Biased description of Cousteau and highly especulative. I think the author tried to build a straw man fallacy, by getting the negative aspects of him and forgetting the mostly positive aspects of his work.

“Cousteau was rarely on board the Calypso”

This happened more often at the end of his career in the 1980’s. However I do not believe he purely acted like a CEO since the Cousteau Society is not a corporation. As to the 1970's there are some examples(amonng many) of the times he spent on board the Calypso: The expeditions to Antarctica (no way he could go off by helicopter), the Conshelf experiments, The Mediterranean Archaeological expeditions (particularly that of Antikhitera), The Brittanic documentary. In much of his films the Calypso does not take part, such as The Easter Island and The Nile. Even in the 1980's he would stay on board Calypso for a long time such as in the expedition to The Amazon (on board the Calypso continuously for two months and occasionally would fly to adjacent regions). I think it would be worth for people to watch some of his movies in the 1970's and compare with those of the latter 1980's to check for it.

If he is not mentioned in the Oceanography book you describe, I think of it a bit strange but it would not surprise me because at that time you mention, he was not a scholar but rather a Navy officer in command of a research vessel. But just to give you some facts as to his importance to Oceanography, I could mention his fights for the Ocean's preservation: As the director of the Monaco Oceanographic Museum he became famous for being the first to oppose the French Government's plans of nuclear waste in the Mediterranean. He also did important studies on the human impact on The Mediterranean and the Nile and was leader of a campaign to remove the cargo of the Savtat which sunk with tons of poison near Otranto. Besides, he is mentioned on books of Commercial Diving (As the inventor of the SCUBA gear,sveral models of cameras ( Harold Edgerton was part of the early crew) and the Diving Saucer. On Maritime Archaeology, he was the leader of the Grand Congloue expeditions, The Antikhitera expedition (which was noteworthy for the discoveries of lost bronze statuettes and helped to date the wreck more accurately and by extension, the Antikhitera Astrolabe, and unique piece of Greek technology.

At last, I just to do not understand what did his private life have to do with his work for the protection of the oceans? Not very much in his life. But It certainly have had future consequences for the Cousteau Society. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.194.216 (talk) 13:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Mollierose822, 21 April 2010
The Kite Flying Society references Jacques in their song "Submarine Music" Dalmation Rex and the Eigentones mention Cousteau in the song "Octopus I Love You"

Mollierose822 (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * We need a reliable source to verify this.  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

wifes
under defense of the environment: why does it say ' third wife'??? He only had 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.156.67.194 (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request - addition
In addition to those items listed under the heading of "Pop culture tributes and references" should be: The Tragically Hip, a Canadian rock band, reference Cousteau in their song Twist My Arm from their album Road Apples NoCoolNamesRemain (talk) 15:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Done.  Chzz  ► 01:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

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1976 movie title
Please correct the Film title as follows:

"Voyage to the Edge of the World"

I believe this to be the correct title as a google search brings up this title for J Y Cousteau.

The title that is in the article, "Journey to the End of the World (1976)" Googles to an unrelated Video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.219.153.81 (talk) 10:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Names of Calypso Crew?
My grandfather died before I was born. But he was a seaman his whole life. There is talk in my family that he was aboard the Calypso with Cousteau. Is there any way to find out the names of the crew during one of Cousteau's expedition's? My grandfathers name was James Armstrong in case someone is able to verify this. Thank you! User:KineticRic 16:06 10/01/2008


 * Although that's not 100% impossible, it's very unlikely. Cousteau's team was almost exclusively French (with the exception of at least one Italian). I think your grandpa story is one of the many "imaginary tales of our forefathers" commonly found in American families. Just like D-Day. Ask an American aged between 20 and 60 if his father or grandfather was part of D-Day. You're 80% certain they'll tell you "yes". Yet it's completely unrealistic. Reality would have the number around 5%. Obama himself once fabricated an uncle that liberated Auschwitz.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.92.4 (talk) 10:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks for the info. But how about trying to be more mature and not attacking a whole nation (America) by implying that most of us make history up about forefathers. I never once said ti was fact, I said "there is talk" meaning we are not creating false history., we are merely trying to find facts.

D-day and your made up "80%" statistics about who will say they had a family member in D-Day has noting to do with this.--KineticRic (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You may be perfectly well right about the Cousteau thing, but do you have a citation for the D-Day phenomenon? As for Obama, he didn't fabricate the uncle, he mistook the camp. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/05/27/obamas_uncle_and_the_liberatio.html. —Largo Plazo (talk) 12:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

(And Jack definetely loved pizza.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.110.242 (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * My colleague Greg, from Seattle and now SF Bay area, worked for Cousteau in Monaco for a couple of years in the 1980s. He bought a used car from Cousteau's wife Simone. Many Americans worked for short period of time with Cousteau including Harold Edgerton of MIT (even mentioned in the Doonesbury comic strip) and JPL director Charles Elachi who was my second introduction to Cousteau. My first being what we now call Earth Day in 1970. 143.232.210.150 (talk) 00:17, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I was a crew member between the years of 1973-1979. There were not "many" Americans who worked aboard Calypso. You might want to review this good resource http://passion-calypso.com/lepersonnel.aspx Richard www.richardehyman.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frogmen book (talk • contribs) 16:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 February 2012
The Cousteau Society no longer has anywhere near 300,000 members so I think the following text would be more accurate (and less deceiving).

Existing text: In 1973, along with his two sons and Frederick Hyman, he created the Cousteau Society for the Protection of Ocean Life, Frederick Hyman being its first President; it now has more than 300,000 members.

Replacement text: In 1973, along with his two sons and Frederick Hyman, he created the Cousteau Society for the Protection of Ocean Life, Frederick Hyman being its first President; it grew to more than 300,000 members.

Frogmen book (talk) 16:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: That rewording seems fine. You are auto-confirmed as of the last edit you made, so you should be able to make the change yourself. Welcome, Celestra (talk) 17:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request: 2012-03-29 Dead External Links cleanup
There are a number of now dead links in the External Links section. Here is a list of them and the replacements I could find:

dead: http://www.csc.noaa.gov/cmsp/reference/Cousteau_Society.htm (no replacement)

dead: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9706/25/cousteau.obit/cousteau.16.lrg.mov (no replacement)

dead: http://www.yourblueworld.co.uk/diving/cousteau.htm (no replacement)

dead: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9706/25/cousteau.obit/ replacement: http://www.tributes.com/show/Jacques-Cousteau-83729880

dead: http://website.lineone.net/~davehasney/scuba/other/jyc.htm wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20090309055640/http://website.lineone.net/~davehasney/scuba/other/jyc.htm

Alphamouse (talk) 03:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done I cleaned out the dead links, and pruned the list a bit. Thanks!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 05:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Exhibit on the Queen Mary
Jacques Cousteau had an exhibit on the Queen Mary in the mid 70's that dealt with humanity in the far future living underwater. One part of the exhibit had depictions of people with gills. Does anyone remember this? Should it be part of the main article, or perhaps its own article?74.100.47.237 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The penultimate exhibit in the Jacques Cousteau Living Sea, "Man Re-Enters the Sea," comprised four small theaters separated by pneumatic-powered curtains. In the first theater, the tour guide would discuss a pair of models—one of a dolphin, one of a human—to emphasize how human physical limitations require us to use other methods to study the oceans. The second theater featured an array of diving suits over the years, leading up to modern scuba gear—with a nod to Cousteau and Emile Gagnan, inventors of the Aqualung. In the third theater, the guide described a diorama of underwater scientific habitats, such as those from the Sealab, Conshelf, and Tektite programs. Finally, the curtain would hiss open and the guide would lead the group into the fourth theater. There, behind a large metal desk (a "desk of the future") and dressed in a silver mylar aquanaut suit, sans helmet (he didn't need it), sans hair (for streamlining), a California Spiny lobster on his left, an Alaskan King Crab on his right, sat Dr. Jared Dranuc, the "underwater man of the future." As the fantastic narrative went, Dr. Dranuc's lungs, and any other air cavities, were filled with a neutral saline solution to balance the water pressure squeezing his body. His blood flow was re-routed, with the pulmonary artery and vein connecting the heart to a hockey-puck-sized device that oxygenates the doctor's blood through osmosis. Thus, Homo aquaticus could remain underwater for extended periods of time, if not indefinitely. Of course, the exhibit's Dr. Dranuc was a rudimentary robot. He could not stand up from his seat behind the expansive sci-fi desk, however he could turn his head and upper torso, and sweep one arm across the desk. Hidden pneumatic hoses would move his jaw as hidden operators, who could see and hear the audience, answered questions through a microphone in a computeresque monotone, all the while clicking and moving the robot, mostly for a comic effect. A popular exhibit in his heyday, Dr. Dranuc was lost when the Living Sea portion of the Queen Mary Tour closed. Today, the Homo Aquaticus Society is an exclusive association made up only of former Dranuc operators, aka "manipulators."

JFM, Queen Mary Tours, Dr. Dranuc, 1976-1980

NOT COUSTEAUS SUB
The submarine shown on display in the photo is NOT one of Cousteaus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.143.44 (talk) 16:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Wrong Link Target
The link given in the second paragraph of the 1950–1970s section Thomas Loel Guinness actually links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loel_Guinness, an article on Thomas Loel Guiness' grandson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pichanmoesix (talk • contribs) 07:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2015
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 * Please state the request clearly, in the form "Add and where to add it". Andy Dingley (talk) 10:07, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Media Portrayals
Hi! In doing some research about Cousteau's pop culture legacy, I came across the very interesting fact that SpongeBob's French narrator has been inspired by him. Here are a couple of sources for that:

http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/French_Narrator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants

Now, this article seems to be protected, or something, so I can't include that info in it – can anyone?

Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeonardoRamos (talk • contribs) 23:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

... anyone? Hello? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeonardoRamos (talk • contribs) 06:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Niether of those would be considered a reliable source, so ❌. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Importance rating change for WP:SCUBA
changed the importance rating for WP:SCUBA to high. As the user is not a member of WikiProject Underwater diving, could they please motivate this change? Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Cousteau?
I bought the DVD-set of him on which on the reverse side he states: "When one man, for whatever reason, hast he opportunity (?, this is mine) to lead an extraordinary life, he has no right to keep it to himself".

It reminds me of the first "movie" which I saw of "Sir David Attenborough". It started with very complex conversation with Dr. K. Lorenz.

Yes, such man has to keep it to himself because the communication between his "extraordinary" and the "not" is very complicated and difficult. It takes a long time before you are "on speaking terms".

Regards. 145.129.136.48 (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you've misunderstood the purpose of this talk page. It is to discuss improvements to the article; it is not a general forum to discuss the subject. You've also mistaken the encyclopedia for an online chat forum where anything goes. On Wikipedia we enforce strict limits on what can be written about living people, and you can read about it at Biographies of living persons, but the particular issue here is that we do not tolerate contentious material that is unsourced about any living person such as Sir David Attenborough, so I've removed your comment about him. I've also removed your slur on Cousteau as I see no way in which it can be construed as a genuine attempt to discuss improving this article. --RexxS (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Wives and children under early years
Is it really necessary to point out that Cousteau’s two youngest children were born during his first marriage? It sounds like a moral judgment against Mr. Cousteau rather than information necessary to the article. Especially since it’s obvious when they were born, from the dates listed prior to the sentence. Frankly, who cares? Mr. Cousteau had four children. Two with his first wife and two with his second. Dtss2017 (talk) 02:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If we're going to give dates of birth and marriages without further explanation, that can lead the reader to suspect that either the 1991 date of marriage or the 1980 and 1982 dates of birth are wrong. Examine this:
 * In 1991, a year after his wife Simone's death from cancer, he married Francine Triplet. They had a daughter, Diane Cousteau (born 1980), and a son, Pierre-Yves Cousteau (born 1982).
 * Is that actually preferable? Do you have a better form of words? --RexxS (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Is that actually preferable? Do you have a better form of words? --RexxS (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

New ERB
Epic Rap Battles of History released a new video today, Jacques Cousteau vs. Steve Irwin. Should this go in media portrayals? Or is it not notable enough? YoureAGhostBaby (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It would certainly fit my conception of "trivia". Content is not determined by notability, but by relevance to the subject (WP:DUE). We have to ask how much we would learn about Cousteau's life and work from mentioning that video. My guess is "not much". --RexxS (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It would certainly fit my conception of "trivia". Content is not determined by notability, but by relevance to the subject (WP:DUE). We have to ask how much we would learn about Cousteau's life and work from mentioning that video. My guess is "not much". --RexxS (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2016
The month & year below are not correct : In December 1975, two years after the volcano's last eruption, The Cousteau Society was filming Voyage au bout du monde on Deception Island, Antarctica, when Michel Laval, Calypso's second in command, was struck and killed by a rotor of the helicopter that was ferrying between Calypso and the island.

Michel Laval died on december 29 1972. Two sources : http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1972/12/30/page/30/article/accident-kills-cousteau-aide-in-argentina http://www.palmerstation.com/history/6575/calypso.html

Ron Wolpa (talk) 22:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Dane 2007  talk 06:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * But the Cousteau Society was founded in 1973. How to explain this? Goustien (talk) 00:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Necessary
"...and could have even killed him."

Why is this here? It's un-necessary embellishment. ANY major auto accident has the potential to cause death. Could have killed him...could not have killed him...didn't kill him. This is drama and doesn't belong here. Simply stating it was a serious auto accident is sufficient without all the drama. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.228.230 (talk) 08:02, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, so I've copyedited the section. Does that read better now? --RexxS (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, so I've copyedited the section. Does that read better now? --RexxS (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit Request: Why Ignore Cousteau's Anti-Semitism?
In 1999, two years after Cousteau's death, his official biographer Bernard Violet revealed that Jacques Cousteau had been a virulent anti-semite.

See this article from the Guardian newspaper: https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jun/18/jonhenley1

Violet also claimed to have learned that Cousteau had "lied about his wartime resistance activities, may have been falsely honoured by the French government, and hid the fact that his first film was screened to a hall full of Nazi officers."

And yet this Wikipedia page contains not a hint of any of this.

Surely this page should be updated to reflect this controversial information?

Or are we simply meant to accept the revisionist hagiography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.145.15 (talk) 18:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Overly positive portrayal
The article reads like a eulogy for JC. I know that there have been reports on the darker side of his life and work, about him mistreating people and sea creatures. Sadly I can not contribute any sources, so please include this aspect if you have some. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicransby (talk • contribs) 11:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Wie is Jacques-Yves Cousteau?

Cousteau was een Franse marineofficier (zeeofficier), onderzoeker en ondekkingsreiziger. Hij bestudeerde de zee en hield er ook heel veel van. Hij maakte van diepzee-expedities zijn levenswerk. In Frankrijk was hij ook well bekend onder de naam 'le commandant Cousteau'. Hij is geboren in Frankrijk in de stad Saint-André-de-Cubzac op 11 juni 1910 en stierf in Parijs op 25 juni 1997. Er zijn ook boeken van hem zoals: Jacques Cousteau's Calypso, Diving for Sunken Treasure en meer. Maar hij speelt ook in films zoals: L'odyssée en La Glace Et Le Ciel. maar er is ook een documentaire over hem genaamd: Becoming Cousteau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.128.210.65 (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-Protected
Hi, I was just wondering why this Wikipedia page is semi-protected? Thanks! -Conservative Alabamian (talk) 02:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2022
change scubs set to scuba set in the first sentence of the article BigThunderousLobster (talk) 17:50, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 17:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Invasive Algae
Could anyone check the facts on Cousteau (perhaps) being guilty of introducing an invasive species? It seems a far fetched or highly speculative theory. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.190.70.251 (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Post Scriptum: It seems the algae was detected in 1984 when he was no longer the director of Monaco Museum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.190.70.251 (talk) 18:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Death and Legacy - POV paragraph?
The paragraph stating "Ironically, Cousteau's most lasting legacy may be a negative one. [...]" seems to hyperbole, out of proportion with what is actually stated in the references for it, also it is rather hypothetical, even admitting as much with the phrase "perhaps even he himself". I strongly doubt that this will be the "most lasting legacy", although the fact is of interest and should perhaps be included, it should be rephrased to something less insulting. 5.186.55.135 (talk) 09:22, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

»Socalled "Divulgationism"«
The word is used and "explained" as "a simple way of sharing scientific concepts", with any further elaboration left to Divulgation which has its own problems. I guess the word must have been used about Cousteau's form of science popularisation, but as the word in its "-ism" form sounds rather negative, a better explanation and reasoning would be nice. Alas, neither of the pages to which Divulgation has redirected provide this information. 5.186.55.135 (talk) 09:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

"Not to be confused with Inspector Clouseau"
This was added by a troll during the Iraq War? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.72.221 (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)