Talk:Jacques de Bernonville

Accuracy and POV
This article has the signature of banned user JillandJack. Many things must be verified, nuanced and maybe removed, especially since this is a heavy subject.

The aid of Lionel Groulx must be better proved ("according to historianS such as Kevin Henley"... alright, who are the others ones?) and it would be best to see Henley's affirmation referenced, if it stays. "There, Jacques de Bernonville was welcomed by a significant number of the Quebec nationalist elite"... yup, there's the signature. An unwarranted statement. Its vague character imposes much corroboration for it not to be removed.

The addition of context and nuance is imperative here. From what I understood, Quebec historians attribute much of the so-called "support" of some to the misguided defense of a French-speaker. It would be pertinent to study the content of that very petition for even better nuance and context. --Liberlogos 02:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Quebec nationalist elite
According to the book L'Affaire Bernonville by Yves Lavertu a significant number of the Quebec nationalist elite was on Bernonville's side. However, I think that the current article can induce a common mistake which is the confusion between old and modern nationalism in Quebec. Effectively, ultramontanists, such as Groulx, seem to have helped Bernonville, but there is a potential confusion between this French-Catholic nationalism and the actual debate about Quebec's sovereingty. I wouldn't change the current article, but I would warn the reader to be very careful : the association nationalism=antisemitism, Quebec sovereingist movement is nationalism, Quebec's sovereingist movement is antisemite is easy to make and is ofently made in Anglo-Canadians newspapers. I think that the user who made the article might have tried to impose this conclusion by his structure and his insistance on links with the current movement. But nationalism in Quebec is way more complex than this and the nationalist elite before the Quiet Revolution is absolutely different from the left-oriented independantist and sovereingist movements of the post-1960 period.


 * Although Parizeau's anti-immigrant comments after failing to with the Referendum were carried in Anglo-Canadian papers, I don't think there is an association between Quebec sovereignty and anti-semitism, from what I've seen. - Anonymous


 * (Lionel Groulx has absolutely noting to do with Quebec's independance (Sovereignist) movement, which was founded in the late 1960s. Groulx was an old-school nationalist who advocated the survival of Quebec's culture, religion and traditions. While this could be amalgamated with "european nationalism" (=fascism), it's by a long shot (although there always was a controversy about some of Groulx's seemingly anti-semitic comments, but given his conservatice Catholic background, he was very critical of all the other religions, including the Protestants). Anyway, the modern independance movement is non-religious and non-racial; it's a civic and political movement). H. Dufort, September 2006