Talk:Jagdpanther

Jagdpanther in Normandy
The 654th heavy panzerjager battalion had about twelve early jagdpanthers in Normandy. On July 30th they were engaged by the British 6th Tank Brigade. I will modify the edit to reflect this. Source is Yves Buffetaut, Normandie 1944: Le Choc Des Blindes. DMorpheus 21:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Where To See
1500 Hours 14 April 2006

"Where to see" should not be in an encyclopedia. Is an encyclopedia a guide book? No.

Philippsbourg


 * It's still useful information for researchers, though, so I've put it back.Chris 22:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

1600 Hours 14 April 2006

It is not useful information for researchers. It is useful for tourists. It subverts the purpose of the page to that of a guide book so I've deleted it again.

Philippsbourg


 * Suit yourself, I'm not getting into an edit war over it, but for the record I don't think it's really very helpful to insist on the removal of useful information apparently because of overly purist idealogy. Just MHO.Chris 23:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, other similar pages have notes on where to see surviving examples. I don't see the harm in it. Who are we to say what might be useful to someone else? DMorpheus 00:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Survivors should be included as they are included on every other page for WW2 vehicles, survivors can also be useful to show the reader the differences between the G1 and G2 (the IWM's being a G1 and Bovington's being a G2). Opening hours of the museums should not be included on this page, if someone wishes to add them they should be put on the relevant museums page. More information on each of the survivors would be nice (G1 or G2, where captured? ect.)(Fdsdh1 (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC))

name
the name actually means what is in english cheetah 24.132.170.97 (talk) 07:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC) chasing panther 24.132.170.97 (talk) 07:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hunting Panther is probably a good translation DMorpheus (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * 'Jagpdpanther' does not mean 'cheetah' in English. The German for 'cheetah' is Gepard.Tirailleur (talk) 12:47, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Height
I have removed uncited (and tagged) statements about the Jagdpanther's supposed low sillhouette. The Jagdpanther was only about four inches lower than a Jagdtiger and a few inches lower than a Sherman; Shermans are widely considered to have a high profile. DMorpheus (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree Jagdpanthers had a very high profile, more emphasis should be placed on largest possible gun on smallest chasis (Fdsdh1 (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC))

Version miss-match
The authour is very incomprehensive and also misinfomed regarding the versions and development of the Jagdpanther. The first version had a welded gun mantlet (not internally bolted - this was never the case), a monoblock gun, two vision ports for the driver, openings for MPs on right an left side of the fighting compartment. Later version quickly lost the MP openings, and got a covered left-side opening for the driver (leaving only the right opening). Later the gun got a two-piece barrel and the mantlet became bolted with 8 bolts, the left driver vision opening disappeared completely and the spanner wheel got a new design. Also changes on engine cover, roof and fighting compartment ventilation appeared. However, these changes appeared gradually and with mixed timing, so a late gun could be mounted in an early mantlet, late engine exhausts mixed with early vision ports and so on. See the picture on main page, monobloc gun with single vision port for driver. The tank in Thun, Switzerland, is however manipulated (as also the Tiger II next to it) and can not be regarded as a true version of the war-time Jagdpanther.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ With the Variants it would be better to do a paragraph on each than lump them into one becuase that means that it is less confusing for the reader

Change this... To this...
 * Two main variants can be distinguished, the earlier (1944 model) G1 with a small internally bolted main gun mantlet and a modified Panther A engine deck, and the later (1945 model) G2 with a larger, outside-bolted mantlet and a modified Panther G engine deck, though late G1s also had the larger mantlet. Early Jagdpanthers had two vision openings for the driver, whereas late versions had only one. The main gun originally had a monobloc gun barrel but later versions were equipped with the Pak 43/4 gun with a two-part barrel. Early G1s (to September 1944) were given Zimmerit anti-magnetic mine coating in a distinctive "small-squared" pattern.
 * The two main variants can be distinuished, the earlier G1 1944 model has a small welded main gun mantlet, one piece Pak 43/3 gun, a modified Panther A engine deck and had two vision openings for the driver. The G2 JagdPanther used a Panther Ausf. G engine deck, a larger gun mantlet bolted externally (to cut down on production time?) and a two piece Pak 43/4 L/71 gun. Some later G1 models may have possessed G2 features such as the larger G2 mantlet because changes to the design were implemented gradually and lack of spares turned many Jagdpanthers into 'hybrids'. Zimmerit was applied to G1's up to September 1944, when it was withdrawn for fear of fire risk and to speed up production time.

(Fdsdh1 (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC))

If you think it's wrong, you'd better change it yourself, or you're likely to be waiting another 6 years for someone else to pay attention to it.

64.222.158.24 (talk) 19:36, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Name?
The German article specifies its name (Sd.Kfz. 173), but this one doesn't.--Adûnâi (talk) 10:43, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Pak or Kwk?
I see this article says that the JP was armed with the Pak 43 L/71, and I assume the editors know what they are talking about, but I've found other pages that say it uses the KwK 43 (and at least one that says both Pak 43 and Kwk 43 in various places). I only ask because it is more common to use the Kwk 43 in vehicles, other than the Nashron, which is just an AT gun on a Panzer IV chassis. It is also true that the Kwk 43 was redesigned to make it easier to fit into a turret, namely by reducing the length of the recoil cylinder under the barrel, etc. I can't help but notice that if you compare the barrels of the Tiger II, Elefant, Jagdpanther (Kwk 43) and the Nashorn (Pak 43) you will note that the recoil cylinder is not visible on any of them but the Nashorn, and if you compare the lengths of the barrels exposed with each other, if the Jagdpantehr did use the Pak 43, the recoil cylinder would have to be housed in the mantlet underneath the gun barrel...indeed, would barely fit within the area covered by the manlet, if it fit at all. This is purely original research on my part, but to me this suggests a Kwk 43, same as the Tiger II and Elefant, and not a Pak 43. This seems entirely reasonable to me, since the Nashorn was basically a quick-fix to get a Pak 43 cannon on a tracked chassis, while the others are more developed vehicles. I only doubt myself at all because I cannot understand why someone would have made such a basic mistake as to have put "Pak 43" when it's actually a Kwk 43, and that no-one has fixed it yet. Perhaps many people are under the impression that they are "the same gun"? Or perhaps I am missing some crucial piece of information that others are not. 64.222.158.24 (talk) 19:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * the text says the name before Adolf's intercession was "8.8 cm Pak 43/3 auf Fahrgestell Panther" GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * After reading though the various gun- and pzkw-articles, it seems the gun designation had as much to do where it was mounted as with the actual design. BP OMowe (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * KwK - Kampfwagenkanone - guns mounted in a fighting vehicles.
 * PaK - Panzerabwehrkanone - guns mounted on anti tank vehicles, and carriages.
 * Some amount of redesign is needed for each use, even if the gun performs very similarly. (Hohum @ ) 00:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * And most often the KwK had electrical firing vs the Paks with percussion firing. This may require different ammunition if it wasn't dual-capable. --Denniss (talk) 07:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * That would be the logical way to place designations, but it seems so was not the case:

The Pak 43 was also mounted in German armored vehicles, and this version was known as the 8.8 cm KwK 43. Versions of this gun were mounted in a number of German armored vehicles under different designations, including the Tiger II heavy tank (KwK 43 L/71) and several tank destroyers: the Hornisse/Nashorn (Pak 43/1), Ferdinand/Elefant (Pak 43/2, early name Stu.K. 43/1), and Jagdpanther (Pak 43/3 and Pak 43/4, early name Stu.K. 43). BP OMowe (talk) 19:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Designation is pretty clear, KwK for rotating turret mount and Pak for AT-guns as casemate mount or standalone gun. All variants had the same basic barrel, difference just the mounting in vehicles and priming. You'll see this naming scheme with all german guns that were multi-mount capable (37/50/75short/75long/75longer)--Denniss (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Nazi Germany
Someone is reverting my edits. It is unconstructive, and should stop. Do not do an edit war. No one owns the page. It is not proper to refer to my country as nazi all of the time - anymore than it is to refer to America in 2019 as "Republican America." blaugraf — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlauGraf (talk • contribs) 13:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Read a book about our nations's history and youll learn this period is referred to as Nazi Germany. Or simply follow the Wikilink.--Denniss (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Fully restored Jagdpanther
There is a fully restored running Jagdpanther in England, shown in this video. I just thought that someone would like to mention that in this article. ⸻Nikolas Ojala (talk) 10:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Secondary armament information
It states the vehicle carried an MG34 with, and I quote, “600 rounds”.

Is anyone sure that number is accurate? It seems very low. Ryzza24 (talk) 13:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hmm, 600 may have been some kind of standard load for such a bow MG. Panzer Tracts 9 has 1200 rounds and Panzer Tracts 9-3 has even more with 2550 round but this includes ammo for a further MG 42. Dont know if this was carried inside or had a roof mount. --Denniss (talk) 19:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)