Talk:Jaggang

Location
Coordinates — DTM (talk) 07:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 32°52′28″N–79°50′37″E (32.874444, 79.843611)
 * 32°54′10″N–79°46′38″E (32.902778, 79.777222)
 * 32°54'16.4"N 79°40'14.6"E (32.90455, 79.67071) map=17
 * 32.8743876,79.8451354
 * Kautilya3, please have a look at the current infobox coordinates for this page. Would you say the coordinates are correct?
 * What is this >> OSM Node: 3127745564 (32.9045257, 79.6716260) DTM (talk) 09:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The infobox is pointing to the new Chinese village, I think. It seems to have been built next to an old camping site.
 * The original village seems to be a little upstream, at 32.8579°N, 79.8976°W.
 * The other OSM Node you point to is obviously a huge military base. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:28, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The old Chiakang is now a military post as well, spelt Qiekan. The current place is the old "Churkang". It was on the route between Tashigang and Rutog. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

, I have removed references to Chiakang, because it is the wrong location for it. And, I have added a mention of Churkang. I will leave the clean-up of the Infobox to you. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Kautilya3: One point needs clarification. You have added ...the Dumchele border trading point in Skakjung. However the article Dumchele has the line: Areas between Dumchele and Demchok such as [...] Skakjung are China administered territories.. This is a contradiction. Is "Dumchele in Skakjung"? OR is "Skakjung located between Dumchele and Demchok"? I can't make out from the map on Skakjung due to the fold (?). DTM (talk) 06:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please ignore last message DTM (talk) 06:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Your sources are confused, I am afraid. The Brigadier Malhotra wrote "Demchok" instead of "Dumchele".
 * As for Stobdan, the less said the better. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:00, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The coordinate I was talking about above, OSM Node: 3127745564, which you said is a military base; I think that is Jiagang. Look at the images of Jiangang in the Chinese sources. The structures and layout look similar. Also, I don't think it is a military base; does it look like one? If not Jiagang, then Churkang? DTM (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, sorry, I am not thinking enough before writing. DTM (talk) 14:35, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, all the current locations of military bases would have had villages earlier. But those are now gone. Perhaps those people moved to the Jaggang valley. If the place is a real village now, you would expect to see much more farmlands and camping grounds. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are right. The place you showed matches the picture on page 2 of the Xinhuanet article. Moreover, Tianditu says it is Jiagang Cun (screenshot). So you win! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

So, what is the old place that we were thinking of as Jiagang? It has a name in Chinese. will have to tell us what it says. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't see the characters clearly (could you upload a higher resolution image?), but the first two characters appear to say 沃卖 (pinyin: wòmài). I can't really see the third character clearly enough to guess at what it says. — MarkH21talk 22:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup. It is Womai Xiong. There was an English label in the neighbourhood. But I wasn't sure. (Somebody on OSM marked it as Jiagang. So I was thrown off the wrong track. But DTM had the better sense to question it.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Churkang
I think I have found the old Churkang also, marked as Qukang on Tianditu. It is exactly where the Pundits of British Raj found it to be. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * First time I am coming across Tianditu! This is a good reference for checking on places like Jiagang! DTM (talk) 13:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Related claim by Claude Arpi
Kautilya3, remember how Chagkang or Chiakang was removed from the article in this edit. I read this just now... Claude Arpi writes — DTM (talk) 13:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, we know the precise locations of all the three places: Chiakang, Churkang and the new Jaggang. They are all different. We can add a section on Chiakang, just like we did for Churkang, if there is information available. (May be "Chagkang" is another traditional village that gave rise to the present "Jaggang".)
 * Incidentally, I think we should move this page to "Jaggang", which already had an article and a template entry before you created this page. (I made it a redirect to this page later.) But "Jaggang" is the name used in Xinhuanet in English. So I think that is its real name. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There isn't much else to go by, so yes, Jaggang seems more suitable. DTM (talk) 14:06, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have fixed up the page with Jaggang as the primary name. You need to file a technical move request to the "Jaggang" page title. (I also added a brief mention of Chiakang, but I don't have any more info on it than its map location.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well I did request for deletion of Jaggang under CSD G6 to make way for the move. DTM (talk) 15:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Jaggang move complete! Yay! DTM (talk) 08:21, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. In future, please use the Technical move requests instead of CSD, because the protocol for it may be clearer. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Tibetan name
Hi, do you remember where the Tibetan script name came from? (110%)

It looks like the confusions we had earlier are real. The original Jaggang village is on the other side of Maga Tsangpo. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . The Estonian Language Institute. link DTM (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, thanks. I found it later yesterday. It looks like "Jaggang" itself is an acceptable pronounciation of the Tibetan name. I also found a Wylie-like translitertion of the Tibetan name. And "Jiagang" is apparently just a defect of the Chinese transliteration. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)