Talk:Jaguar XF (X250)/Archive 1

Manufacturing output
Reference to production of a "millon cars" suggests a misunderstanding of the nature of Jaguar. They didn't aim to be a mass market car. This needs radical rewriting.Ncox 03:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, I got this news,

The C-XF showcases a new technology, called JaguarSense that allows certain functions in the cockpit to be activated with a gesture of the hand instead of the push of a button. I guess, we can add this to the article. --Prashrb 19:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

How much?
How much is the MSRP supposed to be on this car? I'm thinking if it's cheap enough I'll have to get several in different colors, you know how it is. :P -Mike Payne 04:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Production XF
My contribution re the production XF is a combination of information from the reference websites, promotional literature, and my local Jaguar dealer. Without doubt, there is plenty of scope for expansion and refinement by any interested editors (that's how the wiki works), but at least it's a start! Take it away guys. --Red Sunset 20:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

XF Stereo System
Is it really necessary to devote so much article space to this? --Oosh (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It does benefit readers and the information is factually correct. --NoisyMe —Preceding comment was added at 17:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sections and pictures
The C-XF picture appears next to the XF section and vice versa, I suggest this is switched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.145.14 (talk) 22:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

New direction?
The design team for this new concept car talk of existing models being apparently 'retro', and wanting to move away from this to attract 'cool and edgy' types. Would the current designers please note: there is truly no such thing as 'retro' in design, only good design, and poor design. Are you suggesting that once all well-executed designs are exhausted, we should move to poorer aesthetics to avoid being classed as 'retro'? (compare the lines of a Barris Kustom 1949 Mercury to a Fiat Punto mk1.. and tell me which is superior). This is a condition that has blighted the industry for at least two decades now- 'hey who cares if it looks bad, as long as it's different, right?'.

The car industry design ethic is thus particularly prone to stagnation: ironically, this unwillingness to truly think progressively is actually exemplified by what the designers suggest. Contrary to what they may think, the new approach is ultimately more conservative than any of the older 'retro' designs, as it attempts to take Jaguar in the same direction as everyone else. Forward-thinking progression is apparently making your marque look like a BMW.

Jaguar has a history of beautiful, classic design: it is entirely possible to draw inspiration from this and expand on it in an innovative way, rather than going down the well-worn 'me too, high-bootline, wedge-shaped, BMW-headlighted approach'. Nice interior btw, but the outside is just too unimaginative and er.. ugly.

As a final hint: any self-respecting 'cool and edgy' type would prefer a chopped Kustom Mercury with its beautiful curving lines over a BMW anyday- perhaps you should look there for inspiration (note the lines and how they flow) and be truly mould-breaking, rather than running with the pack like everyone else straight out of design college.-Truetillbrew 00:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Kind of agree.. Rover suffered elements of this problem, not because retro was to dull, but because they allowed their cars to soldier on for longer than they should - essentially engraving that design philosophy in people's minds. Had the cars been replaced with other - and not necessarily non-retro designs, as long as they were executed properly, they could have had a better reputation, other than being 'an old mans car'. Jaguar suffered the same problem by 'evolving' the XJ8, rather than coming up with something radical, and allowing the S-type to stay for far too long. It is all about refreshing the design philosophy regularly, rather than simply dismissing it as "urgh retro". 77.100.12.167 (talk) 04:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Ford V8 or Jaguar V8?
As far as I can recall, the V8 was a Jaguar design utilising Cosworth heads, the model is a compact lightweight V8 and bears no relation to the Ford V8 Cammer crate. I shall try to find further evidence of this but I am sure that it was a unit that was used in Jag, then the Lincoln, Ford T-bird, etc. 77.100.12.167 (talk) 04:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

As I worked in Jaguar Powertrain from the late '90s for 4 years, I can catagorically state that all the petrol V8s used in modern Jaguars is of Jaguar's own design. The engine started life as AJ26 and has since evolved for power & emmisions over the years. the latest incarnation is, I beleive, AJ133. LewisR (talk) 11:53, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Presentism/trivial refs removed here
TV appearances James May of Top Gear during Episode 10 of Series 10 reviewed the XF. Among his remarks were: "it [XF] goes like a 4-door XK" and that the XF was "better value for money" than the BMW 5-series.

Jeremy Clarkson (Top Gear) reviewed the XFR during Episode 5 of Series 13. During the review he said: "I'm not going to, even for a minute suggest that it's [XFR] better than the M5, but it's as-good-as. And praise does not get higher than that". During the same episode The Stig managed a lap time of 1:26.7s with the XFR. Making the XFR only 0.5s slower than its rival the BMW M5 (1:26.2).

Tom Ford of Fifth Gear during Episode 9 of Series 13 reviewed the XF Diesel.

Jesse James in Jesse James is a dead man is shown driving a black XF at the beginning of episode 7 of season 1

Jay Leno who has an extensive Jaguar collection test drove and gave the XF a very favorable review on his website Jay Lenos Garage Wikiuser100 (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

XFR seperate wiki page???
I was thinking, should the XFR be moved to it's own page as it is technically not an XF, for example it has bigger wheels, bigger engine, upgraded front end, different rear section and also the sides are different. It would be much better I feel. Just my 2 cents —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.127.196 (talk) 19:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC) it's very good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.72.113 (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I would support merging back into the main XK page - it is only a derivative of the XK range.Warren Whyte (talk) 14:24, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

GM Styling
A new Buick from Jaguar 66.48.177.167 06:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I remember being passed by a pre-production version on the M42 on Christmas Eve 2007 and thinking it looked more like a Lexus. Mr Larrington (talk) 14:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Critical Reception
Top Gear is an acceptable source? Jeremy Clarkson and James May are more of entertainers than a reliable reference source. Besides, I doubt people who actually buy an XF care much about what Top Gear has to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pistonmy (talk • contribs) 06:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

XF really an "intermediate" car?
This article is quite American in its current state, despite being just one of many export markets for this large 4.9m long car. Is it really "intermediate"? Warren Whyte (talk) 18:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Though I am not quite sure what an intermediate car is, I note that the XF's interiour is not significantly more roomy than that of a Saab 9-3 I which happens to be 30 cm shorter. Classifications should imho been made according to interiour space, not outside length. Thyl Engelhardt 213.70.217.172 (talk) 19:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Kilowatt should come first
I strongly feel that kilowatt should come first, as this is the official metric term for engine power. It is used almost everywhere in the world, except the USA and Canada. The "PS" or German horsepower, is obsolete and shouldn't even be included in the article, but at the very least, it should come second, after the kW. MisterZed (talk) 14:56, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

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