Talk:Jah

Jehovah's Witnesses Focus
The translations mentioned to use the word "Jah" are all affiliated with the JW movement, as is the main source for this article. The actual Bible verse that mentions Jah isn't even quoted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.0.147.199 (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Over half the article considers the Rastafarian view - you don't find that to be 'slant'? There are no other widespread religious groups who regularly use the name 'Jah' that I'm familiar with, aside from these two - that's why special attention is given to their beliefs and practices regarding the name. The one Bible verse in the King James is quoted here. We can't add every place where the name is actually found: As the article says, there are over 49 places in some Bibles. Jehovah's Witnesses, to my knowledge, are only directly affiliated with the New World Translation. There are over 6 Bible translations mentioned in the article. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 21:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Royal Arch Masonry
"Jah" figures prominently as a name of god in Royal Arch Freemasonry, and some have speculated that this may have also influenced Rasta, especially as some early Rasta teachers were Freemasons. Someone with a better grasp on this than I might be able to integrate this info into the main article.

Ther problem is we need sourced material to include it. See No original research. No idea whether you can source this. I haven't heard of it but it sounds credible, SqueakBox 15:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)it is wrong to say that

Many years later....I just stumbled into this article again looking looking into Marcus Garvey and saw that the sourced mention of this theory in the article was completely eliminated. Too bad. It was a valid idea from a mainstream historian and theologian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adkins (talk • contribs) 15:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Comment moved from article
To the best of my knowledge Emporer Selassie began calling himself Ras Tafari (As he is refferred to by all of the Rastas that I know) upon coronation. I've never heard him called Jah. Jah could be equated as the Christain God and Ras Tafari as Jesus.

-Dan L. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.246.226.116 (talk • contribs) 11:08, May 25, 2006

Bob Marley this and Bob Marley that
In this article, as well as in some other, in different languages, statements are made about the reggae artist Bob Marley. But sources can rarely be found. In this article the author claims that Marley accepted Jesus Christ as the real Messiah just before he died in cancer. But there is no source. Other articles even claim that Marley was against the use of Marijuana. But there are no sources. Once an wiki-article in Español stated that Bob Marley turned to Bahá'u'lláh, and the proof given in the article was that Marley's son "Junior Gong" should have mentioned that in one version of a song about his parents. My suggestion is that Bob Marley must be wiki-treated with objectivity and not as the one with the most high knowledge about a religion. Personally I think that Marley believed in Selassie and Christ and Moses... but I have no proof for that. --Caspiax 14:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Everybody knows Bob Marley by the verse "Exodus, movement of Jah people". Whether this proves anything is up to you. --Awaler (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Add sources, add sources!
Killer. Peace. You have said add sources when I mention the Name Yah, when the entire article doesn't have any sources to back up their material. Anyway, I've added the source. Peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alleichem (talk • contribs) 08:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The only problem with your "source", is that it is an open-source webpage that may be edited by absolutely anyone, thus not meeting our standard for reliable sources. Can you possibly find the same info in a peer reviewed publication? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 11:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Jah in Estonian language
Word "Jah" translates word "yes" in estonian by the way as opposed to word "ei" which means "no". -unsigned


 * Jehoova is the Estonian version of the name Jehovah. Jah would most likely also be the shortened Estonian form of the name. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 13:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Grammatical Concerns
I am attempting to clean up the grammar in this article to conform to English standards where possible. I know that, because of specific usages of Rastafari dialect, this will not be possible (nor even attempted), but where there are legitimate concerns (improper subject/predicate agreement, indecipherable antecedent references, and the like) that do not affect dialect, these will be (whenever found) altered. 74.234.216.30 (talk) 18:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Yah - Ea
The character of Yahweh seems to be closer to the Akkadian/Babylonian god Ea than is generally acknowledged. Ea created mankind out of clay, for instance, and was considered to be one of the most powerful gods of the pantheon all the way back to Sumerian times. He was associated with the primordial waters of the Abzu, much like those Yahweh was "hovering over" at the moment of creation. He saved his son Atrahasis/Utnapishtim from the flood sent by Elil. I realize there's no archaeological or textual proof of the connection, but how a cognate Semitic god to Ea associated with subterranean waters might become a hugely important god in northern Arabia, the Sinai, and southeast Canaan seems to be obviously worthy of mention. There is some talk about it on the Ea page. Why not here? Particularly since the Yah form of the name seems VERY CLOSE to the Ea Babylonian name. Closer than Egyptian Iah!

Jah - Iah
In the Jah section, this statement is found: "This should not be confused with the phonetically, theologically, and historically unrelated Egyptian god Iah." I would like to know if this is meaningful outside of the editor's religious emotional sentiment. What I am finding is that the historical ascendency, as well as the phonetic relationship of YAH from IAH is not only possible, but is probable. See: http://www.macquirelatory.com/Yah%20Deception%20Part%202.htm - giggle 03:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Because some languages use the spelling 'Iah': those languages use 'I' for what the Hebrew language would use a 'Y'. If, in Greek, 'Iah' is used, it does not in that instance refer to the Egyptian deity to 'Iah'. I took a look at that link's main webpage. It is a theological website, and I will not allow its claims on anthropological matters to be added to this article. It is also biased - "Yah Deception". Please find an reliable academic source for the claim. There have been several users adding links to the Egyptian deity: despite a mere phonetic similarity to a nickname, these editors add weight to the idea that 'Yah' is inspired of this Egyptian god, when it could just as easily be Yah whose worship indirectly inspired the cult of this Egyptian God. There is no good reason to add this information to the article at present. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 21:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

IAW
Is Jah the shortened form of Jehovah (YHVH) or IAW (Iota, alpha, omega) -- the IAW is one of the oldest "gods". I guess they could be the same, where is the reference to shortened uykfrform of Jehovah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.90.169 (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Iah and Yahweh are likely no related
1) Iah is a pretty obscure god. The Israelites adopting him don't make any sense, especially since there were two other much more popular moon gods.

2) Just because the Egyptian word for moon and the Hebrew word for moon share a cognate does not mean anytime the syllable "yah" comes up, it means "moon."

3) Yahweh not only is never associated with the moon based on our understanding of Him before becoming the monotheistic god of Israel, but I can't think of a single time in the Bible where Yahweh is shown to be the ruler of the moon except when He created it, and when the text talks about it, it refers to the moon as a "lesser light." Yahweh would not be seen as a lesser anything at the time Genesis was written. Yahweh has no association with the moon. Yahweh is a storm and war god.

4) Just because the shortened form of "Yahweh" is "Yah" doesn't mean they're the same. In fact, it proves they're different. If the Israelites couldn't even speak the name of Yahweh, why would shortening it to "Yah" make it any better if that's still the name of God?

5) What does the "Weh" in Yahweh mean? Where did it come from? If you're going to say that Yahweh is Yah, you have to be able to explain why he's not called Yah.

6) We're not even sure how Yahweh is pronounced. All we know is it's spelled like YHWH. Demonstrate why you know why it's pronounced "Yahweh" before you try to link him to another god.

7) Many scholars say Yahweh's consort was Asherah. She's equated to Anat in Egyptian mythology. Anat never had anything to do with Iah.

8) I have not been able to find a single scholarly example linking the two.

As you can see, there's no similarities between the two. The only thing that would lead one to believe that they have anything to do with each other is the syllable "Yah." Do not associate the two again without good scholarly evidence.

Dabblequeen (talk) 05:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC) Dabblequeen (talk) 05:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I also don't see the relevance of Iah. For the others left in the see also section, they were already linked in the article, so the section is currently unneeded, it seems.  Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  – 07:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * For Yahweh, we indeed don't know the pronounciation, but it doesn't prevent using the name like scholars do to refer to the deity, of course (a minority also use Jehovah). — Paleo  Neonate  – 07:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

interating hippie philosophy we get: EAH
Many hippies have a lifestyle more similar to that of the old testament god. If one consider the global hippie movement, and filter the data, it being a god of 68r politics and claims of spirituality, it becomes EAH, that fits this idea, which really is an old mesopotamian god. So "LSD-is-God", really just played on the old "tree of knowledge", really being EAH religion.

Islam has no such tree, but with such a tree the god is EAH, and is the typical belief of many societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:FE0:C700:2:D56F:6F1E:77CF:E433 (talk) 16:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)