Talk:Jailhouse Rock (film)/GA1

Impossible
Jailhouse Rock premiered on November 8, 1957, at Loews State Theater in Memphis, Tennessee. It opened nationally on October 17.[30] This needs fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1018:4055:A4B1:2F5A:324F:6626 (talk) 11:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

GA Review
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Reviewer: SilkTork (talk · contribs) 23:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am a slow reviewer, so if there is a desire to have the review done soon, then let me know and I'll withdraw now. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements rather than make long lists, though sometimes I will make a general comment, especially if there is a lot of work needed. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  23:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Pass.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  11:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Tick box
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:

Comments

 * Pass
 * Stable.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Has a reference section.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Images OK.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * MoS elements apart from Lead and Lists are OK.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Appears to be neutral and sticks to the sources.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  16:31, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Prose is clear and readable. There are minor errors which I'm clearing as I spot them. Nothing serious.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  16:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Query
 * Is there sufficient coverage of the music? A bit more prose material (perhaps taken from Jailhouse Rock (EP) and Jailhouse Rock (song)) might be useful.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  15:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there more material available on the production? Looking at that section again, I can see some of the material being moved to a music section, leaving more space for details of the production. We have dates for completion of production, but not for the start.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  16:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is the detail that Presley never watched the film gossip or relevant fact? I looked for other sources on that, and found only one. I'm sort of interested in it, but would like more details and more sources. Who is making this claim?  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  16:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The reception section is quite long compared to the rest of the article. Is the amount of material there proportionate to the article? There are a number of quotes that could perhaps be better summarised or even cut. This - "As the dollar-hungry recording star, Elvis' acting is unaccountably amateurish, considering the real life coaching he's had for the role. He plays the surly churlish heartthrob of competent actress Judy Tyler with indifferent blandness; charges into a romantic clinch with her like Don Quixote tilting at a particularly formidable windmill." could be summarised as "Down Beat felt Presley's acting was amateurish and bland." If people want the extra detail they can follow the cite to the source.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  16:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Fail
 * Cast list is unsourced and merely a list. See WP:EMBED (part of GA criteria) and WP:CASTLIST (Manual of Style/Film).  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Lead needs building per WP:Lead.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:50, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of the article is suitably referenced, but the cast section needs attention.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  15:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

On hold
This is a pleasant and informative article. The main issues are the lead and the cast section. Some consideration needs to be given to summarising the quotes in the reception section, and in perhaps developing a music section and more detail on the production. How much of this later part is ongoing development and how much impacts on the GA criteria is open for discussion - but it would be worth doing anyway, and I'm prepared to help out. Putting on hold for an initial seven days to allow work to be done.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  16:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I started to assess your concerns:
 * I moved the soundtrack session under production, and expanded the creation of the songs as well as the recording (of course the parts relevant to this article). I could see that some other material was added by other users while the article still had no reviewer, so I had to do some fixes to the information that was added on the meantime. I think it is now good enough.-- GD uwen    Tell me!   20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Production:I will be looking in some books if there are any further production details that I overlooked before, so I'll probably fill in some more information on that through the week.-- GD uwen    Tell me!   20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably the line about Presley not watching the movie is something merely trivial, I've seen it in different sources and back in the moment I though it was worth adding. I'm still not sure on that one.-- GD uwen    Tell me!   20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Reception: Agree, I will trim the section. I get always a bit over carried with the reviews (as you seen in Honky Tonk Heroes. I'll work on it through the week.-- GD uwen    Tell me!   20:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Cast: I added some prose, taking as an example another GA (A Beautiful Mind). Is it ok now?-- GD uwen    Tell me!   20:46, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you selected that film as a guideline. It was delisted as a GA due to various concerns, including a comment from me regarding the inadequacies of the Cask section - see Good article reassessment/A Beautiful Mind (film)/1. It is also, sadly, not uncommon for GA reviewers to list articles as Good when they haven't appropriately met the GA criteria. The GA criteria asks that we don't pass articles that have inappropriate embedded lists and which include unsourced challengable statements. Do we have a source, for example, for Mike Stoller being in the movie, given that his appearance is uncredited? I have been involved in writing film articles that became Good Articles with inadequate cast list (I Am Legend (film) for example), but as I have become aware of the appropriate manner of presenting the casting material in a more informative manner I have paid attention to it - so in recent GA reviews I passed Pilot (Boardwalk Empire) but failed Arrested Development (TV series). I'll look into helping build and source the Cask section. We need more of a focus on the actors than the characters they portray, as that information is more appropriate to the plot. The MoS guideline I linked above is useful - WP:CASTLIST.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  10:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I found information on the characters and I added it to the article. (except Vaughn Taylor, I was not able to find any information on his casting)-- GD uwen    Tell me!   23:20, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I also expanded some production details, the lead and trimmed a little bit the reviews.-- GD uwen    Tell me!   01:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have got a bunch of books on Elvis from my local library, though information on Jailhouse Rock is fairly spares in most of them. One of them says that Elvis didn't attend the première of the film because he was upset at the death of Judy Tyler, and that sounds more likely than that Elvis never watched the film. I should be able to close this review over the next couple of days.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  22:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * This is next on my to do list, and I hope to get it wrapped up shortly.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  10:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Pass
Good work by everyone involved. This is a readable and informative article which is well referenced.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  11:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)