Talk:Jaime Espinal

Puerto Rican or Dominican?
His official profile on COPUR says he was born in Bayamón, Puerto Rico, but several newspapers are saying he was born in Dominican Republic. Anyone has sources to what is true? Thief12 (talk) 21:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, this was already answered in an interview with her mother. He was born in Dominican Republic. Thief12 (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Content layout
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 * According to Help:Infobox, "the information should still be present in the main text, partly because it may not be possible for some readers to access the contents of the infobox." The Infobox just "summarize important points in an easy-to-read format". So, you do not have to delete the information in the Infobox, because you have not delete his name and that he is a wrestler and so on. Take this example: Nicola Zagame, this is a Good Article, meaning one of the finest Wikipedia's content. Do not worry, we can lear a new stuff everyday. Osplace 15:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. My bad for removing it. However, I did move it to the intro, cause I don't think the biography reads well starting with his current height/weight. Let me know what you think of it. Thief12 (talk) 20:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As you can see in Lead: "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects." Read that and understand that what you do in the Lead section is a brief of the whole article. It means, that something mentioned in the lead MUST be explained in details later in the article! If not in the body, should not be included in the lead. This mean that what you just did is incorrect. I already sent you an example of a Good Article, and give you the link of what a Good Article is. Every editor wants its articles to be GA or FA. This is the highest rank an article can be. To achieve the rank of GA or FA an article have to undergone a long process of review, is not whatever editor mind could be. You just replied "However, I did move it to the intro, cause I don't think the biography reads well starting with his current height/weight." Remember article are not owned by anyone, neither anyone's opinion is the best. Regardless your opinion, I will send you some other examples. I want you read them and check what all of them have in common, all of them are GA. Michelle Rzepecki, Alicia McCormack and Kelsey Wakefield. Osplace 02:12, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologize if you feel that my edits were detrimental to the article, or that I was taking ownership of the article, which clearly I'm not. I'm as open to discussion with anyone as I'm with you now. So, if the issue has to do only with where the height and weight of Espinal is mentioned, I don't think it's that big of a deal. How about we open the section about his "Wrestling career" with his weight/height? considering that section has more to do with his physical traits than the previous one. That said, there are several things you bring up that I'd like to address. First, there are several "Good Articles" that mention traits about athletes like height and weight in the lead and/or the infobox, and don't mention them anywhere else (see Roger Federer, Oscar Robertson, Steve Nash, for some examples). Moreover, in the case of what is still a small article, I don't see how mentioning it only in the infobox, or in the lead, would be damaging to the article. But let me know what you think about that new suggestion. Thief12 (talk) 03:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Instead of Edit warring, you should try discuss the issue before changing. I have not stated that your edits are damaging the article, neither detrimental. Manual of Style/Biographies points that you should not use the opening paragraph to say that. You should actually take a look to Manual of Style/Layout and Biographies of living persons. I will cite again the Wikipedia policy about Infoboxes: "What should an infobox contain? Already cited elsewhere in the article. Infoboxes, like the introduction to the article should contain primarily material that is expanded on and supported by citations to reliable sources elsewhere in the article. However, if necessary (e.g., because the article is currently incomplete), it is possible to include footnotes in infoboxes. No, the height/weight info should not go there. Osplace 16:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * An "edit war" would imply that each of us are actually overriding the changes of the other, which we clearly are not. There was just one change I did to the article, in good will, but as soon as I saw you disagreed with it, I've been discussing it with you. I'm aware of what the Manual of Style says and offered an alternative, which you didn't comment to. Let me know what you think of it. Thief12 (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have already answered your "alternate solution". Those are personal information, and there is a proper location por that information. I really do not understand why you do not want that information in it's proper place, clearly not the lead, neither his wrestling career. Osplace 01:43, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just felt it read a bit awkward starting that sentence with "John Doe is 6' tall 180 lbs, born on January 1, 1950". It felt like a run-on sentence and I made a change that I thought was minor by moving it to the lead. But anyway, how about rewording the sentence where you had it saying "Espinal is 178 cm tall and weights 84 kg. He was born on October 14, 1984 in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic" ? That way we have two complete sentences. How do you feel about that? Thief12 (talk) 04:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree. Osplace 16:59, 16 August 2012 (UTC)