Talk:Jak 3/Archive 1

Article Reformation
How many people are willing to help rewrite and reform this article to match that of the Halo: Combat Evolved article? --Jrtman 02:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Already did since i played the game, i got the whole thing done. Temari of Wind13 01:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is seriously being dragged down by that ridiculous list of enemies in the game. It would be good if somebody would create separate articles for the enemies, and for the tools that Jak uses throughout the games (vehicles, guns, etc). I'll try and touch up on the 'plot' section a bit; it seems long-winded, but that won't help much if that staggering shopping-list feel remains in the article. Unless there becomes a good page to put that extra information on, I'll be removing it.RedZionX 12:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC) Who else wants to include information on Jak's haircut. I bought this game and was surprised when his hair was short. I couldn't tell from the cover.

I'm new to the Wikipedia project, but I would love to take a crack at fixing the plot summary, at least. Just let me know how my work can be improved; I seek to better myself. Larrythefunkyferret 06:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I finished. I seem to have inadvertently removed the paragraph system that it had. Sorry about that. I also seem to have lost the links; I can replace some of those, but I would appreciate it if someone else could replace what I might have missed. One more thing, I know for a fact that I left too much fat in the summary, and it's possible I accidentally cut off some actual meat; If a qualified butcher could clean this up, all would be right with the world. Larrythefunkyferret 06:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Characters
I just finished revising the characters section. As with the plot summary, the key word is "summary". The protagonists were okay for the most part; I just removed a few sencences that seemed like too much information. The key issue I dealt with was with the antagonists. When I began, there were five characters in the antagonists list, and three were giant fighting robots that acted as bosses. I removed them, as well as FAQ-ish information on the remaining characters in the list. Finally, I added Dark Makers to the list of antagonists, since they are major characters in the story. I would not object if someone added marauders to the list; I didn't because I didn't see them as major characters in the overall story. After a few days, I'll take a look at the gameplay section, which currently consists of a list of guns and cars in the game. Larrythefunkyferret 08:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Gameplay
Prior to this edit, the Gameplay section consisted of a detailed list of every car and gun in the game, along with specs. This was an impressive list, but I can't help but think that Wikipedia is the wrong place for it, or at least the Gameplay secion is the wrong place. I replaced it with what seems more standard: a basic description of the gameplay mechanics. If anyone dissagrees with this edit, the information is still accesible by checking the article history. If you really want it back, you can copy/paste or revert. Just let me know your reasons; I seek to better myself. Larrythefunkyferret 20:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You're correct to remove game guide content. See WP:VG/GL. Andre (talk) 09:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for opinion
An opinion was requested here I now offer one. The tone of this article prose-ridden and in-universe. Assume that a person reading this has no idea what a Jak is, and has never heard about previous Jak games or the Jak universe. Look at each part and ask yourself if it is 100% clear that this particular section is about a fictional game that exists in relation to other games (not just in the intro). Remember that you are describing a work of fiction, not telling a story. Also the style is repetitive and boring. Let me pick apart a paragraph -

The missions (what is meant by "mission"?) in Jak 3 are generally either platform-based(platforming)''' or driving-based. The platform segments involve Jak("the player", Jak is a rendered model, someone else is doing the jumping. "Jak" is ok for story elements, but gameplay is about the player) jumping from platform to platform (that is what platforming means, right?) battling creatures along the way (he battles in both types of missions, right?). For these segments, he is also provided a rifle (does someone give him a rifle at the beginning of each segment?), the functionality of which changes with the kind of ammunition being used (how so?, also maybe "changes depending on the ammunition used"). The car driving ("driving", "car" is implied) segments (segmentsX2) usually involve Jak racing against time (prose, try "have specific time constraints") to complete a mission (that is what one does with missions), while defending himself against other cars (cars attack people?) or giant Metal Heads (?). When not on a mission (missionX3), Jak wanders the streets of either Spargus or Haven City (prose, and what reason do we have to care which fictional city he is wandering in?), searching for someone to assign him a mission (this sentence makes him sound so lame).'''

I'd do an edit myself, but I know nothing of Jak, and as it is this article does not make me care to. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  06:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This should have a "media reception" topic too. In which cite reviews from various media outlets. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  08:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Some of those criticisms are a bit nitpicky I think. Andre (talk) 09:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, so do I. Very nitpicky. I don't want anyone to think that this is the kind of thing I normally leave on talk pages. This is a direct response to the fact that some editors could not understand the tags placed on the article, and one asked for an opinion. The idea is to point out how every aspect can be pulled apart, and that it's important to think how anyone could possibly see a particular section. As far as what Ashnard said, I have added a Reception section, as well as a Graphics and Development (see Featured Article Iridion 3D), as well as grouped Plot, Characters and Locations into Story. I didn't add any actual content, as I know nothing about this game. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  16:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Andre here. He asked if it was ok to remove the tone tag, not if the article sucked.  Then again, this is useful critique...  Giggy  Talk 22:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

If you know nothing of the game, then you should not go around for these articles just so you can flame the game.
 * He didn't randomly come here and flame the game. He came here at my request to review the article on the game and give some ideas on how to improve it. He has no opinion on the game itself (I assume). Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Removal
the articles should be removed because of the tone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingrock (talk • contribs) 23:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I must not understand official policy as well as I thought. Where does it say that inapropriate tone is a reason for deletion? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 08:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

If it is a reason for deletion, I'll try to improve it, but deleting it because it's too informal seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater (forgive the cliche). Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 08:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Time period
Is there a source that says how far in the future Jak 2 and 3 take place? I don't want an edit war to start up over this, as it would likely land us in WP:LAME. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Poorly written page
Whoever wrote the latest version of this page did a very poor job. It feels more like an opinion more than a Wikipedia page, if you understand me. Would someone please be willing to re-write this page? I won't because I know I won't to a good job. It would be better if it was completely redone, instead of just edited. I understand this is a big job, but half of the stuff here is cringe-worthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Towlierocks (talk • contribs) 21:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you mind providing a few examples? I know the article could use some improvement, but since you're doing a review anyway, would you mind giving some tips for improvement, rather than simply tell us that it sucks? By the way, this is the work of multiple people; no one person wrote it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:42, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I feel the "Location" section really needs some work done on it. The "Plot" section need to be changed a little too. Instead of just saying "strange creatures", the major ones need to be named and explained (not too much in detail, and only a few). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Towlierocks (talk 14:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll give you the Location section; it has some lines that may need to be pulled, and it seriously needs sources. Then again, the entire article could do for more sources; with the exception of the Reception section (and the gameplay somewhat), it is nigh unsourced. How are you with finding sources? Because I have trouble with it.

As for the bit about the Story, the "strange creatures" are named in the very next line. '''Partway through the game, Jak and Daxter start to encounter strange creatures. A Precursor telescope in the outskirts of Haven City reveals that the beings are Dark Makers, who were once Precursors, but exposure to Dark Eco transformed them into twisted beings.''' Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for sources
The reception section currently mentions the critisism that the game received for its difficulty, but is only cited with a fan forum. I would much prefer to have a professional reviewer as a source, since forums are acceptable as sources only in limited cases. If anyone happens to know about a professional reviewer who commented on the game's difficulty, please either add a link to the review in the article or post it here. If it's an offline source, please summarize what the reviewer said. Thank you. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:09, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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