Talk:Jak and Daxter/Archive 1

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Jrtman 07:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Grammar error
At the end of the second line it says "Jak and Daxter brave villains such as Gol Acheron, Baron Praxis and Erol." Probably not what it's supposed to say but since I have no knowledge of the games I'm not sure what it's supposed to say either. I hope someone can fix this. 85.224.81.56 (talk) 16:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it sounds right. They used the word "brave" as in they challenge someone or encounter corageously. Also the three villains stated are the main adversaries for the first three Jak titles respectively. I hope this helps clear things up. Freqrexy 19:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

But what about Maya she is a villain in Jak and Daxter The Precursor Legacy 76.224.18.131 (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * True, but she doesn't have the top billing in the game's cast of adversaries. That's why just a select bunch are used for that sentence. Freqrexy 09:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I should say was a villain in Jak and Daxter The Precursor Legacy 76.223.246.171 (talk) 17:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * So? Gol was a villain in the same game. Baron Praxis was a villain in Jak II. Erol was a villain in Jak 3. I'm talking about the antagonists with top billing in the three respective games here. It's nice that you thought of Maia to some extent, but it won't do any favors with the article's presentation.


 * And next time, please sign your comments. Freqrexy 17:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Morph Gun
The article Morph Gun has been created, but it needs wikification - and possible merger with this article. Could you guys take a look? Ninja neko 07:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Christmas
Removed -> ""Titles due to hit the shelves in the Christmas run-up include the latest installment of favourites such as Grand Theft Auto, Metal Gear Solid, Ratchet and Clank, Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter, he added."

Did you notice those last 3 words, Jak and Daxter? This has created a very big rumor. Could it be really true, or could it just be a mistake? We will have to wait and find out, but it would sure be nice too have the Jak and Daxter series rebooted."

Very un-encyclopedic, some parts proven wrong(gta) and seems HIGHLY unlikely. John.n-irl 22:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I also found a website that said it would come out cristmas 2008, but I forgot the name of the page.--Ryan Stinnett (talk) 02:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

What happened to "List of Jak and Daxter Characters" Pages?
I haven't played Jak and Daxter in a while but since I just recently got my copy of Daxter (the PSP game) I was brushing up on where it fits into the story. While I was looking around I noticed the entire section on characters from the series is deleted.

I know it existed because a quick search of Google got me an archived answers page... And from a quick look at it I don't see why it would be up for deletion most entries seem fine.

Can someone explain why it was deleted? Vandalism? Also, to a lesser extent there was a page on Lost Frontier the rumoured sequel did that not have enough source I suppose? Hope this gets cleared up. Starcraft.nut 22:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Characters
Why was the page on characters deleted? Someone needs to make a new one quickly! Ahmeri18 (talk) 15:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It seems biased to keep articles like List of characters in the Ratchet & Clank series but delete the Jak and Daxter character page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.192.49 (talk) 15:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

What happened to Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier?
It wasn't deleted from the USPO, but its not here anymore. -122.52.27.128 (talk) 10:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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Characters
Where is the list of characters, please? Abtract (talk) 16:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Jak and Daxter Template
Shouldn't this article have the Jak and Daxter Template at the bottom?

68.253.182.225 (talk) 15:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

New Jak Game Announcement
Just a quick question, i followed the footnote that is cited as saying that "on november 10th naughty dog announced that Jak the Lost Frontier is in development and will be released in 2009" but was not able to find this information anywhere, is this just a prank?--91.104.2.214 (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Games
The game summary for Jak X is too long. It repeats itself and goes into too much detail. It doesn't need to tell you everything about the game (there is a whole article about that) just an idea about what its like. Sorry.--Spongefrog (talk) 10:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The article's tone
I can't be the only one here who thinks this article reads like some Naughty Dog worshiper sat down one day and typed exactly what they want to hear, can I? It should be way more objective than it is, or did I read the guidelines wrong? 24.127.41.33 (talk) 21:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Jak and Daxter: the lost frontier info
Anyone else think that the description for this game is waaay too long? I think we can change it too

The future title of Jak & Daxter announced by High Impact Games coming Fall 2009

Short, sweet, and to the point. So should we change it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.25.229.125 (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

somethings not right
ok, now I'm confused. They say that Jak X is before The Lost Frontier, when X is the roman numberal for ten! —Preceding Neverlights comment added by Neverlights (talk • contribs) 14:33, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think X means "eXtreme" or something similar. It doesnt mean Jak 10. Blake (Talk·Edits) 15:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

The Old World
In the description for "The Old World", it says that it was created by Naughty Dog "specifically for the game". I don't know, this just feels so out of place. I mean, in video games, don't they USUALLY do that? Moreso, isn't the REST of the Jak and Daxter universe created specifically for the game?174.18.25.224 (talk) 02:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it. I don't know why that was there. Blake (Talk·Edits) 13:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Spin-off
It says that The Lost Frontier is part of the main series, but it really isn't. I've tried to change this, but people change it back. It definately isn't a main series game because in the opening credits, it says "BASED on the franchise developed by Naughty Dog." I hope to change it, but like I say people keep changing it. Please, this needs to be changed it's wrong, so if I do change it, please don't change it back User:MatoroFreeze 16:24, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Is Not a Spin-off
 * This game really not is a Spin Off, that message in te opening credits is because Naughty Dog don't exist anymore and now the game is make for HigImpact Games. Dont change this anymore. Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.89.37.216 (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with the second comment. It is not a spinoff. It would certainly say based on because it wasn't made by Naughty Dog, they are giving credit where it is due. But it is the fourth platformer, it follows the story, it is not a remake or made with new characters. I honestly think you should perhaps see if other people agree with you before you leave it.JesusFreak89 (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * This is not a spin off. Agree with the first two comments. If it were a spin off it would share no gameplay elements with the previous games and/or it would not continue the Jak story. This game clearly does continue the series with extremely similar gameplay. A simply subtitle saying that does NOT warrant it to be labeled a spin off. Teresa44 (talk) 02:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with the three previous statements. For The Lost Frontier to be a spinoff, it would have to be a story that takes place within the same universe, and feature an existing character or brand new characters. Daxter is a spinoff because the focus is solely on him. Sarujo (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This article says it's continuation of the original series. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/212333/sony-reveals-jak-and-daxter-the-lost-frontier/. It's not a spin off.--ETLamborghini (talk) 12:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Guys The Lost Frontier is NOT in the main series, it's a spin off. The game does not have similar gameplay with the dogfights and such. Plus at the beginning it says, "Based on a franchise by Naughty Dog" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.195.68 (talk) 19:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

HD Collection
An HD Collection has been included in the list of games in the franchise, this should be deleted because the only link provided says that this is a rumon. If it is needed on the page, put in a future catagory and mention that it is a rumor. Please delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.98.201.211 (talk) 04:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * An HD Collection has been announced but it has yet to be determined what studio is actually developing it, so it does not belong on the Naughty Dog page, please stop adding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.121.183 (talk) 01:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

A trailer was released. It is not a rumor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.153.3.255 (talk) 21:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Future of the franchise
These seems to be dispute going with new information regarding the franchise's future. So BRD cycle must be used. Sarujo (talk) 16:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The fact that Naughty Dog considered making a new Jak and Daxter game for the PS3 is very important so I don't see why Jack Fisher kept reverting my edits and not giving a logical reason why. Anyway now that the topic has it's own section I guess the edit war is over. --- Steven Bjerke  16:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Spin-off (Second discussion)
I don't know why some people seem to think that Daxter and Jak X are spin-offs when in reality they are both 100 % canon. Their are numerous references in Jak X to Daxter and references to Jak X in TLF. It's been confirmed many times that both are canon and I can provide over a dozen links that support it. If anyone has any objection to this please say so otherwise I will continue to revert the edits of the people who continue to add the games into the spin-off category. Thank you. --- Steven Bjerke  21:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Canon is not the deciding factor of what a spin-off is, but rather the genera or story focus/deviation. Daxter is a spin-off due mostly to the fact that it focus' on Daxter while Jak was tortured by Baron Praxus. It deviates from the main story to present a side story. Jak X is considered a spin-off due to the game's focus on racing rather than being a platform action game. The Lost Frontier is not a spin-off as it is another platformer with Jak and Daxter are the main playable characters.


 * Would you consider Metal Gear Rising a part of the main series for being canon to the established Metal Gear Solid continuity, despite the fact that developers stated that it is a spin-off? Or how about the 2012 Tomb Raider? That game is a reboot, but is still considered apart of the main series. Sarujo (talk) 03:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of calling them "Other games" rather then Spin-offs. I don't consider them spin-offs, but they really aren't part of the "Main series". The compromise of "Other games" sounds reasonable. Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright Other games is fine will me as well. --- Steven Bjerke  16:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Content dispute
I have fully protected this page for a week following the content dispute between multiple users over the past few days. Although no editors have yet broken the 3 revert rule, this longer-term dispute requires a fuller discussion here with everyone involved. Please use this time to continue the discussion about the content of the page. Do remember that, even if you are convinced that your version of the page is the best version, you should discuss it on the talk page with other editors, rather than continue to revert changes. If necessary, the dispute resolution noticeboard may be an appropriate venue to get an uninvolved mediator to help resolve the issue. If another administrator feels that consensus is reached before the expiry of the block, please do unprotect the page early. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 13:07, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The dispute has already been discussed on this talkpage. It is just IPs who come and think discussion doesn't matter and their point is the only view, and must be correct. Maybe you could just semi-protect the article. In any situation, ban who has ignored the message commented in the article, which says that if they disagree, to please discuss it. They are just the kind of IP who don't discuss. Thanks, Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As uninvolved (beyond watching this page) I'd have to agree. This is a persistent IP that is ignoring consensus. Semi-prot, maybe, but not full prot. --M ASEM  (t) 14:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Blake & Masem, thanks for discussing this with me. My concern is that, although there had been consensus at this talk page, there has been very little attempt to discuss the issue with the IP editor. All he has had is that hidden notice in the article and two vandalism warnings - neither of these constitute inviting him into the discussion. The vandalism warnings seemed inappropriate to me - he was editing in good faith - and the message within the article is a hidden form of communication. I know that there has been consensus to have the page as it is at the moment; however, the IP editor has just as much a right to contribute to and discuss this consensus. Perhaps someone could leave a note on the talk page of this editor inviting him to discuss his actions with you here. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 16:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Have left a note on IPs talk page. - X201 (talk) 18:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great, thank you. Hopefully he can join in the discussion here (if not, we can take appropriate steps). ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 19:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Development and miscellaneous sections
Just created these two and if anyone has any info they could added that would be great as they are a bit short at the moment. Thanks. Jak Fisher (talk) 14:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Source mix up in reception
Does anybody know how to sort out the sources in the aggregate scores for the Daxter game? The Metacritic Source is where the GameRankings source should be and vice-versa. Every time I try to move them around they still remain in the wrong place. Thanks. Jak Fisher (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - X201 (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Series category
Would Jak and Daxter be classed as a Media franchise or simply a video game series? I would appreciate the input. - Jak Fisher (talk • contribs) 20:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Article in need of further improvement
The articles lead and information box seem to be good. The game section also appears to be of a good standard. However, the rest of the article is still in need of a rewrite and clean up. I have started and will add templates. Thanks. - Over Hill and Under Hill (talk • contribs) 14:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Jak and Daxter Edits: The Lost Frontier
The Lost Frontier is not part of the original trilogy of Naughty Dog, later compiled in the HD Collection. It is a spinoff developed by High Impact Games first time only for PSP which later was adapted for PS2, without the same gameplay of the trilogy. In fact there have been several concepts arts of Naughty Dog with the title: JAK 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diariodeoi (talk • contribs) 17:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Daxter into Jak and Daxter
Article likely fails WP:GNG with no WP:SIGCOV evident in the article. The reception section is cherry-picked from various reviews and nothing predominantly about Daxter. Does not appear to be an independently notable character. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I also realized there is a series list of characters so that can also be an option. Still, it's probably best to keep the discussion here for more visibility. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose I was on the fence about it, but I went for a quick search for sources and just found one book source that analyzes and recognizes the character's significance. I also consider that the character was the subject of a character award by Game Developers Conference back in the early 2000s, during a time when barely any authority recognizes artistic or technical achievements for video games let alone the characters in these games, so I'd say that is a sign of notability. There is certainly enough material to write a short article. Contrast that with Jak (Jak and Daxter) which was tagged out of concern that the character may not be distinctly notable, and the dearth of secondary sources on that article outside of a few listicles. So I intend to redirect that one back into the character list. I don't mind if this page for Daxter is reworked into one that covers both characters together in a similar manner as Banjo & Kazooie or Alexios and Kassandra, but only if an editor (not me) is actually interested in undertaking that work. Haleth (talk) 04:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What about merging the Jak article with Daxter to create Jak and Daxter (characters) as outside one game they have been paired, and this eliminates the weak notability of Jax. --M asem (t) 05:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Contradiction
Does this section contradict itself?

"Jak and Daxter Bundle was first released in North America on December 7, 2017, for the PlayStation 4—the franchise's first appearance on the platform.[12] The bundle features emulations of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, Jak II, Jak 3, and Jak X: Combat Racing, in addition to retaining trophy support.[12] Prior to the release of the bundle, The Precursor Legacy was released on the PlayStation 4 as a pre-order bonus for Uncharted: The Lost Legacy.[13] Between 2019 and 2020, Limited Run Games released a limited amount of physical copies of both standard and collector's editions of the games.[14]"

I think it does, but I wanted to double check with other people before I try to edit it. If The Precursor Legacy was released on the PS4 prior to the bundle, then former would be the first appearance on the platform, not the latter. Am I right? 2603:8090:1300:E003:F410:EFED:C368:D1FE (talk) 19:09, 13 April 2022 (UTC)