Talk:Jalapeño/Archive 1

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Some sources
This article could use a section on growing these peppers. Here's a great photo for the section when it comes about (I love e'm, but I don't know diddly about growing them).




 * Here's a page: http://www.guidesign.com/george/chilis.htm


 * Here's another: http://plantanswers.tamu.edu/vegetables/pepper.html


 * These pages are about growing peppers in general, not specifically jalapeños, but it's a start. 165.247.0.30 16:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * More pages:
 * http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/containers.asp - about growing peppers in containers
 * http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/veggies/peppers1.html - jalapeños take 70 days to harvest
 * http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/profile_jalapeno.html - has a little bit of info
 * 4.245.131.246 07:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/3378/habanero3.htm 4.245.185.152 23:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/ndx_gardening.asp - a bunch of articles on growing peppers. 4.245.158.124 15:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's much of anything out there specifically about growing jalapeños - it's all about growing peppers in general. 4.245.224.49 17:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that picture to the right is a photo of jalapeno peppers. They're some sort of chili but they don't resemble jalapenos in shape, growing style (jalapenos orient the fruit downward while growing, not upward as depicted) or color (I've never seen a creamy yellow jalapeno). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.75.193 (talk) 19:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Definitely not jalepeños. Furthermore Wikipedia is not a how-to guide so there's need for content on how to grow them. Joja  lozzo  20:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

60 square kilometers of Mexico
That fact (60 sq. km. dedicated to growing jalapeños) didn't look quite right. I found http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/profile_jalapeno.html after a little searching, and it says:

In Mexico, commercial cultivation measures approximately 40,000 acres in three main agricultural zones: the Lower Palaloapan River Valley in the states of Veracruz and Oaxaca, northern Veracruz, and the area around Delicias, Chihuahua.

40,000 acres = 161.8749 km^2, which I rounded to 160. This still seems rather low.165.247.0.169 09:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Folks, can someone put the pronunciation in Audio? Thank you.
 * I found an audio file at http://img.tfd.com/hm/prons/J0011550.wav and made a direct link in the article. 4.245.131.178 04:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The article lists the Mexican pronunciation as xalaˈpɛɲo - however that ɲ symbol doesn't appear in [Wikipedia:IPA for English] and it seems to me like it's indistinguishable from the nj in the first pronunciation listed (which can be considered a phoneme in Spanish and some other languages, but is thought of as two separate phonemes in English). Would it be better to stick with nj? --Oolong (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason it's not listed in IPA for English is because it isn't an English phoneme. In Spanish, /ɲ/ (spelled ñ) contrasts with /nj/ (spelled ni before vowels), so /nj/ would be incorrect.  Zyxw59 (talk) 08:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Scoville Heat Units Contradiction
is the scoville rating correct? it is counterdicted in other article in wikipedia, if you could look into it i would be gratefull - a confused user


 * What article(s)? 4.245.149.140 10:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The Scoville rating article states "2,500-8,000" whereas this article states "2,500-10,000". Which value range is the law around here, the one on the actual jalapeño page or the one on the more authoritative Scoville rating page? 24.247.170.144 (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The measurement is wider than what the article suggests since half a million is some times acquired under special conditions depending upon the soil and various fertilizers, making some jalapenos start to approach the level of Habenaros, but that's a special case, not what one could expect from the typical pepper grown at home or found in the stores. (I see that a nhumber of web sites claim it's 2,500-5,000 so maybe a definitive legitimate source is needed.) NotSoOldHippy (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

This issue remains unaddressed. I have added a new header to this section so that it will show in the table of contents. XP1 (talk) 09:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Skin Burns
Though I know you need a reputable source to document the facts, I can say that I've burnt myself countless times from handling jalapenos. Especially thin skin areas and mucous membranes (such as rubbing your nose or eyes afterwards. It hurts!)

Exactly, "Handling fresh jalapeños may cause skin burns[citation needed]. Some handlers wear latex or vinyl gloves while cutting, skinning, or seeding jalapeños." That's totally inappropriate. In the wikipedia article for gravity, no one whines citation needed when it's stated that when you toss something in the air it's going to come back down. A large population of douchebags troll wikipedia getting off posting authoritarian crap like that.


 * There is no harm in stating the obvious. But I think a section on HOW to deal with jalapeno burns once you get them would be useful if anyone has any real information. -128.12.131.65 09:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Never seems to hurt me. But I am brave. I eat raw jalapenos all the time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.33.170 (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Peppers do not cause "burns." They can cause skin irritation, blistering and other reactions. But they aren't hot. They don't cause burns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.75.193 (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Facts
"The jalapeño is a large to giant-size chili pepper that is prized for the cold, burning sensation that it produces in the left kidney when eaten."

Is this vandalism? I can't find any information to support this, and no source is given.--Swuster 07:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Dead Links
Hi all, about half the links in the "Dishes" sections point to Wiki articles that do not exist (Texas Toothpicks for example). I took a look at editing the page to remove the link but have no experience in the wiki way of doing things. Does someone who knows how want to remove the links?67.175.74.185 (talk) 21:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Math doesn't work out
In the "Health Effects" section, it is said: "eight habanero peppers per week (roughly equivalent to 24 jalapeños)". Looking at the Scoville ratings, that is grossly erroneous. The way I see it, there are two ways to calculate equivalency. With the values provided at the Scoville rating article... Using the arithmetic mean, J = 6250 and H = 225000 which results in E = 36. Using the geometric mean, J = 5000 and H = 187082 which results in E = 37.4. Much different than three as calculated from the Health Effects section. How about eight habaneros being roughly equivalent to 288 jalapeños? (I'll go ahead and change this myself in a week if nobody else does.) 24.247.170.144 (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

No Citations!
There are no citations/references in this article, despite numbered links to citations in the article body. These sections should either be removed in their entirety, or linked to the correct pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.14.213 (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't cite any of the information because two of the sites that I need to cite are blacklisted for some unknown reason... so, there are unfixable citation needed tags in the article, especially the one related to buffalo turds. Wikipedia should contain this information as it is valid culinary information for a food that can be ordered in hundreds of places, but, with recipe listings and pages discussing even the nature of the food blacklisted, it can't be referenced.  This is a big problem for wikipedia for more than just atomic buffalo turds... "citation needed" jockeys can't be satiated if, in many cases, the only thing that can be cited is from a "blacklisted" site.  This does not mean the information doesn't belong in an encyclopedia.  JudgeX (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Correct spelling
The title of the article spells "jalapeño" with a "ñ", but then the article says that "contrary to popular belief" it's actually correctly spelled "jalapeno" with no "ñ".

If the latter is correct, then
 * 1) it needs a citation, and
 * 2) the article should be moved to "Jalapeno"

I suspect, however, that contrary to what the article says, "jalapeño" is the correct spelling. Bigpeteb (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah this has been bugging me too. Merriam-Webster's indicates "jalapeno" to be a variant spelling. The Pocket Oxford Spanish Dictionary from 2005 spells it with 'ñ'.


 * Whoever suggested this is confusing jalapeños with habaneros. Habanero is sometimes incorrectly written with an "ñ."  "Jalapeño" is properly spelled with an "ñ."

nutritional information
I do not think that it would be particullarily diffiult to find and add the nutritional information of this widely available and frequently used capsicum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.132.89 (talk) 12:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Here are some links with (i hope) good information related to jalapeño:

http://www.askedweb.com/Julie/posts/133-Hot-Peppers-Have-Multiple-Health-Benefits

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.169.129.28 (talk) 23:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

health benefits
if this section is empty, might as well be removed
 * Looks like it was removed. I see a lot of bullshit "health benefits" claims being made by people all over the Internet, the belief appears to be that the strength of the chemicals in the pepper has magical health effects. But that opens up another possible addition to this Wiki entry. Maybe a section that covers the quack medical beliefs harbored by some would be approproate to add to the entry.
 * Here is an idiot claiming jalapenos can assist in cancer problems. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090105073345AAuO7JB and I quote "Eat your chili peppers. Habanero, jalapeno, Scotch bonnet - those hot but tasty varieties of the capsicum frutescens have multiple health benefits - including the ability to drive prostate cancer cells to kill themselves."
 * There are a lot of idiot claims made about jalapeo peppers, all of them I've seen being claimed by crooks pushing quack medical frauds. NotSoOldHippy (talk) 23:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and I should mention another instance of quack medical claims, this one at http://www.cancure.org/cancer_fighting_foods.htm Chili peppers and jalapenos contain a chemical, capsaicin, which may neutralize certain cancer-causing substances (nitrosamines) and may help prevent cancers such as stomach cancer. which is bullshit, written by one G. Edward Griffin who is a known among quack medical fraud-watching organizations, referenced in numerous other quack medical fraud web sites such as naturalnews.com.
 * It would be informative to add a section about quack medical claims being masde about jalapenos. Notice the weasel word "may" in the claim to avoid liability from lawsuits instigated by people who believe such bullshit. NotSoOldHippy (talk) 23:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Plant vs Fruit
I have a package of Burpee All Alarm Hot Pepper Mix ( UPC 0-41530-65016-7) that I'm growing. It would be very useful if this article would have more information regarding the jalapeño plant itself and not just the fruit. Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 05:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Jalepenos stand between 2.5 and 3 ft tall?
I have a Jalepeno that is 5' tall, so this strikes me as plain wrong. I'm not sure how to provide a good citation however (a photograph with some measuring tape?) Schmmd (talk) 16:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagreed, too, but I just changed it to 2-4 feet. I doubt anyone is going to find a source for a 5 ft. tall jalapeno bush, as they are extraordinary. Most seed packets and universities will stick with the normal size of a plant, even if they know of bigger ones. If you grow them in the tropics, they might grow quite big. I like to saw logs! (talk) 06:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Color?
The current text says, "As the growing season ends, jalapeños start to turn red, which may make them less desirable." Less desirable how? Economically? Tastewise? Somebody who knows may want to clarify this. Opus131 (talk) 05:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Less desirable is vague. From simple observation, red peppers are less common. Is the fact that red peppers come to market slowly compared to green make them less desirable to growers due to commercial interests.  Is the red pepper's taste compromised?  Hard to tell. So this needs explaining and citation or maybe removal.Horst59 (talk) 15:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense about varieties
I removed the section. It's unsourced and completely implausible. I see from the page history that it was recently removed by an IP (not me) and replaced by a named editor with no explanation. Please read the material before blindly replacing it as it's ludicrous nonsense.198.72.143.40 (talk) 22:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't paying attention, just saw the "section blanking" tag and reverted it without digging any deeper. Won't make that mistake again. --Bigpeteb (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC)