Talk:Jalaram Bapa

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Please refer www.lohanaonline.com for more information on Jalaram Bapa. I will try to come back on this articale an add information on Jalaram Bapa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.251.46 (talk) 15:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sugestions Required
Mr Sampat, Kindly give some sugestions for improving the articale.so we can make this article proper. --202.91.136.4 04:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Basically, we need to make sure that the article is based on known facts and not on legend. There is quite a bit of legend surrounding Jalaram's life, but we can't include that information in the article unless it has been cited by reliable sources. Along the same lines, we need to ensure that the article adheres strictly to Wikipedia's NPOV policy, so any references to his "greatness" and such will need to be removed. At the same time, it is important to describe how important he is as a saint to Hindus, especially in Gujarat. The idea, thus, is to present facts in an emotionally detached manner. --Hnsampat 11:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article is a good start on the topic of the Gujarati saint Jalaram, but it is poorly written. It is unorganized and does not have the tone of an encyclopedia article. Also, the information presented within it needs to be verified and sourced, to ensure factual accuracy and neutrality and to prevent self-contradiction. (Right now, the article says Jalaram was born in 1800 and died in 1937, meaning that he lived to be 137, a good 15 years older than the current recordholder. If that's the case, we need proof of some kind.) The article is also in dire need of copy-editing to fix its grammar, spelling, and other formatting errors. Once all that is done, it needs to be wikified. --Hnsampat 19:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Total rewrite
Okay, this article's gone from bad to worse. It is still panegyrically POV, totally unsourced, and in need of massive copyediting. I've tagged this article for a total rewrite. The subject of this article is quite notable for millions of Hindus, but the article itself is a total mess. --Hnsampat 15:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Jalaram to Jalaram Bapa
I have moved name back again from Jalaram to Jalaram Bapa : Firstly because Jalaram Bapa is widely used name and searched for in internet. Further, Hnsampat had reverted the name back to Jalaram citing moved Jalaram Bapa to Jalaram over redirect: "Jalaram Bapa" is an honorific. See WP:NCP) But Bapa is not honorific Mr Sampat if that rather is commonly used word for any elderly person. Further, if that is the case than Chaitanya Mahaprabhu should be renamed only Chaitanya, Bhaktaraj Maharaj only to Bhaktraj, Tukdoji Maharaj to only Tukdo, Swami Sri Lilashahji Maharaj to only Lilashah, Sai Baba of Shirdi to only Sai, etc. etc. So, please give good explanation before reverting back Jalaram Bapa to Jalaram, if you wish to do so in future. R P Jethwa (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You say that "Bapa" is not an honorific and then say that it is a commonly used word for any elderly person. That, by definition, makes it an honorific. Now, you do have a point with the examples you give about Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Sai Baba, but I think a case can be made for renaming the former simply to "Chaitanya" (not so much the case for Sai Baba since he's almost never referred to as "Sai" alone, unlike Jalaram Bapa, who is frequently referred to as simply "Jalaram"). I'll open it up to the community and see what the consensus is. --Hnsampat (talk) 16:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

It is good to see a healthy discussion on this issue. But my contention is same as said previously. Sai Baba is often called Sai in many Bhajans, similarly you have avoided discussion on other Hindu saints where Maharaj is used, which is honorific and so is ji added to any name or Swami and Baba. Baba also means an elderly person. The idea here is not weather it is honorific but by what name the saints are generally called today. For example Sai Baba is more easily identifiable than Sai, similarly for Chaitanya Mahaprabhu than Chaitanya and so is the case for Jalaram Bapa rather than only Jalaram R P Jethwa (talk) 17:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Similarly, if that is the case than in Morari Bapu word Bapu is same as Bapa : meaning elderly person but simply for that reason we cannot change name to only Morari : R P Jethwa (talk) 17:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not see this discussion concluded, but still the article name is just Jalaram, why is it so? Why is it not Jalaram Bapa? R P Jethwa has provided some valid arguments, all the other articles he stated still exist with their (arguably) honorific prefix or suffix, why this article does not have Bapa?-- DhavalTalk 09:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No one responded here, I have moved page to Jalaram Bapa. Please refer to Mother Teresa, Father Damien, Sathya Sai Baba, Swami Virajananda, etc. If Mother, Father, Baba, Swami, etc. are not honorific there, how is 'Bapa' honorific here? Please do not rename page without having discussion here.-- DhavalTalk 15:45, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Removed section, photos
I have added back removed lines, the photo, which have been deleted by Users like User Kbir (Hnsampat) and SQGibbon and also added back lines giving inline citation from books. I wonder, how one can remove photo ( and mention in edit summary Appears to be a copyright violation..). I request to start discussion of Talk page before reverting any citations.Jethwarp (talk) 13:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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