Talk:Jallikattu/Archive 1

When is Jallikattu in 2007 ? January 17 ?
The Pongal article states that the 2007 date for Pongal is January 15, and that Jallikattu is held on the third day, Mattu Pongal. Does this mean the date of Jallikattu in 2007 should be January 17 ? Can someone familiar with these dates confirm them, please ? --PFHLai 23:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The second paragraph, starting with jallikattu has numerous grammatical and formatting errors. No sentence is beginning with a capital letter. Comparison is spelled as comparision. 16 Jan, 2010.

Factually incorrect
This says bulls are not injured or killed. This event is incredibly cruel see: http://www.petaindia.com/b/petaokplease/archive/2013/01/15/bull-dies-during-jallikattu.aspx?CommentModerated=true&PageIndex=4#comments — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.6.146.5 (talk) 03:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I support this criticism; that statement needs to change! Also, how does what the "youth" doing in the picture count as a "victory" by any definition of that word (if anything the bull seems to have the upper hand)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF4C:CB90:7905:103:6378:3E3E (talk) 18:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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POV discussion
The article frequently uses the word "blood sport" many times to describe jallikattu. Given the non-lethal nature of the sport, the use of this term is debatable. The author of this article uses the term "blood sport" instead of the actual word "jallikattu" in many places. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.208.139.217 (talk • contribs) 12:51, January 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * It can be lethal, for both bulls and humans. --Engineering Guy (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

" After 2009, it is claimed that before the bulls are released in gate (Vaadivaasal), they are subjected to medical tests including tests for alcohol and substance that will aggravate the bulls. These tests are said to be conducted by a team of government vets under the supervision of the district collector. The human participants in the Jallikattu event are said to undergo medical tests as well and are tested for alcohol."

The para takes a skeptics turn to occurring events. The article needs to relate ground facts and not carry the writers opinion. Request to change above para to below format:

" After 2009, the bulls and bull runners were subjected to medical tests before the events as regulated by the 'Tamil Nadu Regulation of Jallikattu Act, 2009' . " Tamil Nadu Regulation of Jallikattu Act

What is Jallikattu?
I just read the article but I still have very little concept of what exactly happens at the event. The article seems to completely avoid an actual description of what happens. It mentions animal cruelty, but all I can gather is the vague idea that they are released, chased, then caught. Chased by who? Everybody? Caught how? Are they injured, or exhausted, or what? Imagine the Tennis article without the "Manner of play" section, and you'll see what I'm talking about. —Akrabbimtalk 20:35, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

running of bulls / bullfighting comparison
The article states that this sport may sound similar to the Running of the Bulls, but doesn't it actually sound more similar to Spanish Bullfighting? Is that maybe what the author was meaning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.17.151 (talk) 13:07, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Jallikattu is in no way similar to Spanish Bull fighting, as the objective of the game is to hold on to the bulls hump for fifty yards. The Bull is not to be injured in anyway whatsoever during the event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krg353 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2017
I too want to change "taming" to "embracing" and "bullfight" to "bullembrace" Skant v (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Wikipedia is not a democracy. We don't make changes based on votes. Consensus is determined through strength of argument. See my comments to Vtrivikrama above. Also "bullembrace" is not a word. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

It should be banned
jallikattu should be banned. It's a non-sense act which threatens bulls. 182.74.40.26 (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Talk pages are to be used for discussing specific changes to the article, not for general discussion of the subject. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Page protection
Pending changes protection, Extended confirmed protection or suitable protection is needed to this page. I am not sure which type of protection could be applicable via twinkle. Any idea? --Ant a n O 05:57, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

This page requires protection. Aadhitharajantalk 13:26, 20 January 2017 (UTC) Aadhitharajantalk 13:26, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2017
Bull Taming or Bull Fighting is an incorrect term.

>http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/tamil/index.html

>Cologne Online Tamil Lexicon

>Word in Primary Language

(Sanskrit, Tamil):

> Eru (exact)

> tazu (exact)

1. ERu	02 1. height; 2. bull; 3. nandi, the chief of Siva's hosts whose face is like that of a bull or who has the face of a bull; 4. taurus, a sign of the zodiac; 5. males of certain animals, as; 6. male shark; 7. male conch; 8. the 1st naks2atra

2. tazu	02 embracing

hence ஏறுதழுவல், Eru+tazu+val means Bull Embracing. Kindly please edit the article appropriately.

Thank you V.trivikrama (talk) 10:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:51, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That may be the literal translation into English, and it might make sense to include that in the translation content, but by no means would that justify a change to the description of the activity. "Embracing" connotes affection and tenderness, and it is ludicrous to suggest that a bunch of people trying to glom onto a bucking bull are simply trying to hug it and whisper loving words into its ear. And frankly, it just sounds silly in English. There might be other verbs that are more accurate than "fighting" or "taming"--maybe "wrestling"? But many of the reliable sources describe it as a bull taming event.. There have been numerous recent attempts to change the description to bull embracing, and my strong suspicion is that in the wake of the Indian Supreme Court upholding their previous ban on the basis that the practice is considered cruel to the bull, people who support the practice are attempting to euphemize (aka censor) the description to sound more innocent. We don't do that at Wikipedia. If the majority of sources describe it as a bull-taming event, that's probably what we should go with. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, I added information about the etymology to the appropriate section here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * If your argument for staying with the word taming is because it sounds more reflective of what happens in the event and it sound good in English, then you are making this Wikipedia article biased toward a percentage of people who are against it due to lack of knowledge about the world outside their own. But there is a world of people that are out there, in Tamil Nadu and in the world over that are supporting it not just because it is threatening their way of life, but because they have seen through the veil about what this ban is actually about, which is special interest groups trying to protect their business interest. I thought Wikipedia was better than that skant_v (talk) 10:57, 19 January 2017 (GMT)


 * No idea what you're going on about. My argument for using "taming" was "many of the reliable sources describe it as a bull taming event". That's not bias, that's repetition. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Technically what happens is Bull-Wrestling. It is not fighting against the Bull but the Bull drags the participant along. J mareeswaran (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Edits
I removed the following statement: "It is serving as proof for knowing Tamil civilisation that they were highly civilised to make a festival game day even for their bulls and cattles which help very much in their agriculture. "

Holding a festival involving bulls does not really mean that anyone is highly civilized, it indicates only that they hold a festival involving bulls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nealmcgrath (talk • contribs) 19:28, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Jallikatu is about bio diversity. The breed used for jallikatu is unique and is not effective for ploughing or other works. The only way to preserve the species was adding a value to the species. Our ancestors were prudent enough to use them in sports. Also according to a popular culture cows,bulls and every living thing which cannot speak is considered a god. This mentality helps in bio diversity. Is it not surprising to know someone cared about bio diversity thousands of years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agnelvishal (talk • contribs) 16:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

ECP
Since semi protection doesn't seem to be effective here, I have WP:BLUELOCKed the page to prevent further disruption. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Change the term 'Bull taming' to 'Bull embracing'
Jallikattu when correctly translated means 'Bull embracing' rather than 'Bull taming'. So the article needs to be corrected accordingly. Skant v (talk) 22:33, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The terms Jallikattu, Eruthazhuvuthal and Manju virattu differ from each other. If you could read Tamil, have a look in ta.wiki. Nowadays, these three terms are mixed and confusing whether it is about taming or embracing. By the way, the term embracing is far from actual event. Is it possible to embrace an angered bull?

--Ant a n O 03:02, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You have already posted an edit request on this issue. Posting a new one is not constructive. Either respond to the first one, or drop the stick. The "embracing" content has already been added to the article under etymology, but according to the sources, only the original term translates to "bull embracing". The sources say explicitly that Jallikattu (or Sallikattu) is derived from the words meaning coin and package. So unless you are proposing that we define Jallikattu as a "coin package" event, which would be a completely meaningless summary for the lead, I think we should stick to how the reliable sources describe the practice, i.e. as a bull-taming event. There might be other, more accurate words to use like "bull wrestling", I don't know, but "bull embracing" is ridiculous, as "embracing" suggests tenderness and affection, as a mother might embrace her child. That's not what's happening when an agitated bull is released into a crowd of Jallikattu participants. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:22, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, if you are saying Jallikattu doesn't translate to "bull embracing", I say it doesn't translate to "bull taming" either. My suggestion of embracing comes from the name Eruthazhuvuthal, which is the original way Jallikattu was referred to. 'Eru + thazhuvuthal' translates to embracing the bull. If you think the word embrace plays down the actual event, you have to understand the actual event is not about taming either, at least not in the current practice of Jallikattu. So in my opinion, the word taming (or wrestling) unnecessarily makes the event sound too harsh, making this article look and sound non-neutral. skant_v (talk) 10:47, 19 January 2017 (GMT)


 * If you read Kaliththokai 103-56, it says a simile "competitors tamed/subdued bull like tiger fights with bull". Does tiger embrace bull? Also, you can read verse 103-56 and 104-37 it clearly says "tame/subdue". Verse 105-30 says that how the competitor dealt with bull, and one of the method is "twisting neck". This could be possible in taming or wrestling, not in embracing. I have seen some translation for "Eru thazhuvuthal" that interprets as "hugging". Understand the etymology, especially Sangam period and today and terminology of embracing. --Ant a n O 15:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * We are not required to rely on a translation to describe the practice that we see. If someone was punching the hell out of a bull, and the local term for this practice literally translated to "bull tickling", we would be idiots to describe it as "bull tickling". If someone punches the hell out of a bull, we would describe it as "bull punching". That is literally what the practice is. I don't see what your objection to "bull taming" is. That's how the majority of sources describe it, and it doesn't sound particularly judgmental to me the way "bull abusing" would. And really, whether you agree with the phrasing or not, if the majority of sources describe it as bull taming, we would normally go with what the reliable sources say, not cherrypick a term that sounds softer to our ears. That is a clear attempt to euphemise, which Wikipedia does not do. felt that subduing was perhaps a better term. Since there might be different goals to the event, (grabbing the hump for as long as possible, bringing the bull to a stop, grabbing the coin pack) a more inclusive term might be wiser. Bull riding? Bull grabbing? I don't know, because you haven't presented any intuitive alternatives. But "bull embracing"? Absolutely not. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:16, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I totally agree that we do not have to define the event by using the strict translation. There is, of course, no problem stating what the translation is.  Regarding taming, I think of this as a relatively permanent change in the behaviour of an animal.  However, I suspect if these bulls are used for another event two or three days later, they will behave very much the same, i.e. they have not been tamed, merely temporarily subdued.  We already have articles relating to bull riding so probably best to avoid that. DrChrissy (talk) 16:27, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, but if grabbing on and riding the bull for as long as possible is one of the goals, it wouldn't be out of nowhere to describe it that way. Just sayin'. I put the "embracing" thing in the etymology section yesterday. I wish "wrangling" didn't just mean herding, because it has the right sound to my ear--A cross between wrestling and controlling. But alas, it's the wrong choice. If anyone's interested in seeing what goes on during Jallikattu, these videos are helpful. These videos in particular are not gory. There's no blood or knives or anything. For some of PETA's objections see this video. (Might be upsetting to some. Tail twisting, stick poking, sickle poking, tail biting, etc.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for these videos - they certainly helped me understand more what goes on so I have put some of them into an External links section. DrChrissy (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree bull-wrestling is the appropriate english word which actually describes what happens on the ground. J mareeswaran (talk) 14:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That might be true if the animal is brought down to the ground, but the only videos I have seen are of the bull still on 4 feet and attempting to escape. This is not "wrestling". DrChrissy (talk) 19:31, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't quite understand your objection to "bull riding", . That too is an apt description. One needn't be on their butt to ride something. Subway riders often stand. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * To me, "riding" an animal means being on the back of the animal with legs astride the animal. Yes, we can all go for a ride on the funfair roller coaster or a ride in the car, but I am trying to put this in context. DrChrissy (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * So then side-saddle wouldn't be riding? Riding an elephant in one of these doesn't count? These types of horse-riding? I'm not inflexible on this issue, but I think we're adhering to a very narrow interpretation of "riding". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * These are fair points, but in all of them, the human is on top of the non-human animal. From what I have seen in the videos of Jallikattu, the humans do not get on top of the cow. DrChrissy (talk) 21:39, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, in one of the photos a woman is under the horse. Yes, normally a person is on top of the animal, I'd say that's typically for practicality when using the animal for transportation. If the aim in jallikattu is to grab the hump when opportune and hang on, that's still riding. Sanitation workers used to ride garbage trucks in a similar way. (No hump, though...)  When a SWAT team rides to a raid, they stand on running boards and hold on so they don't fall off. "Bull hanging" would be an option if it didn't suggest that the bull was dangling from its neck. Referring to the practice as "a form of bull riding" would indicate to the reader that it's an atypical form of riding. Just a thought. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Change it if you wish, but as indicated earlier, we already have an article Bull riding. By changing this article to suggest the activity is bull riding, I think this will only invite questions in the future. DrChrissy (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll mull it over. Maybe it'll seem less intuitive to me later. I'm not in any hurry. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

About the videos - there are allegations by pro Jallikattu activists. In the video link below one of them talks about how they requested PETA to submit the RAW video files. They allege that the videos are fabricated with actors and want the RAW files to see the whole video and not just the snippets that PETA is willing to show. Also Subramaniam Swamy has requested a probe into PETA by the CBI. The viewpoint that PETA is lying and has a hidden agenda is prevalent among Jallikattu supporters.

https://www.facebook.com/bbctamil/videos/10154064474355163

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-swamy-slams-jallikattu-protest-says-will-challenge-animal-rights-funding-2292914 Schandrasekar (talk) 03:15, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2017
Tamil: ஏறு தழுவுதல் Udhaydharshan (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  15:15, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ I understood, even if did not, and have incorporated your change. Thanks for your attention to the spelling mistake. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 08:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Y.. Jallikattu is not conducted by pannerselvam...

Struggle is going Jayakulo (talk) 07:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Information as to reason for protests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sbxwguJc_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no8-RcTP2rs

Videos by Kathikeya Sivasenapathy and Hip Hop Tamizha played a large role in starting the protests. This information should be reflecte in the article.

I think it is important to ensure that the article also has information on what Mr. Sivasenapathy and Hip Hop Tamizha were citing as reasons to support Jallikattu.

https://thewire.in/19157/banning-jallikattu-will-decimate-indias-indigenous-cattle-breeds/

The above article has a wealth of information about the benefits of A2 milk which is produced by cows sired by Jallikattu bulls. This information is missing in the article. Editors with permission to add this please do so as soon as possible. The article should also have information on the theory supported by Hip Hop Tamizha and Mr. Sivasenapathy that Jallikattu was a victim of yellow journalism by PETA.← — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schandrasekar (talk • contribs) 09:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Who says that Kathikeya Sivasenapathy and Hip Hop Tamizha played a large role in starting the protests? You? 2) I disagree that the article should have content about some fringe theory about yellow journalism per WP:UNDUE. We're not here to present every viewpoint, only the major viewpoints, we are certainly not a gossip rag, and we aren't here to take sides. 3) it's unclear what content you are proposing be added about the A2 milk. Surely you are not proposing that wrestling a bull changes the quality of milk in a descendent cow? Got any science to support that? Note also that Himakiran Anugula, the person who wrote that article, is a representative from a cattle breeding organization (thanks for pointing this out) so his perspective is almost certainly biased, and may only be rooted in opinion, rather than based in fact. It's certainly fine to include his biased perspective, but that would need to be balanced out with other perspectives in order to meet our neutrality goals. I don't know how you'd propose to do that if you've only brought information from one side of the discussion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

1) http://www.vikatan.com/news/tamilnadu/77866-hiphop-adhi-and-karthikeya-sivasenapathy-invite-people-for-peaceful-protest.art http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/jallikattu-warriors-meet-the-hi-tech-brains-behind-chennai-protests/story-FEhufoLh0bpRkkZORLn9VJ.html

Articles supporting that the above mention pair of people have played a large role in Jallikattu protests

2) http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2017/jan/19/probe-to-be-sought-on-source-and-use-of-funds-by-animal-rights-groups-1561241.html https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/opinion/jallikattu/ https://www.facebook.com/SunTv/videos/809775729161333/

Articles and news hour videos about the yellow journalism and MNC influence of PETA India. I agree that not every viewpoint has to be presented. But this a major viewpoint. Not in my opinion. Maybe yellow journalism was a bad word. I take that back. Would it be better to say that there are allegations by the protesters against PETA?

3) Im still working on your third question and if I dont find any verifiable sources lets drop that part.

--Schandrasekar (talk) 18:35, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/slipping-hold-jallikattu-ban-threatens-indigenous-cattle-breeds-rural-livelihoods-tamil-nadu https://www.facebook.com/UdayEdits/videos/1324043031000764/ http://www.huffingtonpost.in/poorva-joshipura/clearing-up-all-the-bull-around-jallikattu/

Found some more links with pro jallikattu as well as contra sentiments and one video explaining the proponents claims in Hindi. Hope it helps. --Schandrasekar (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

There are a lot of reliable sources to prove that Hip Hop Tamizha played a large role in starting the protests. Here are those:. And Kathikeya Sivasenapathy runs a research centre called Senaapathy Kangayam Cattle Research Foundation Agnelvishal (talk) 12:51, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Inadvertent Scientific Breeding method
Dear Admins,

Please consider adding the below text to the subheading Breeding in the Jallikattu.

Jallikattu as been stated to function as an inadvertent scientifically sound breeding process by pro Jallikattu activists such as Karthikeya Sivasenapathy and HipHop Tamizha. They have stated that the bulls which are winners in Jallikattu are used as Studs for breeding. Thereby, the dominant genetic characteristics of the winning bulls are carried on the next generation of cattle. The next generation of cows is thereby ensured strong genes and resilience against diseases. These cows sired by Jallikattu bulls are able to produce Milk of higher quality containing A2 beta Cassein, in contrast the milk produced by foreign cows and hybrids contain large amounts of A1 beta Cassein. Studies by independent researchers have shown that populations that consume larger quantities of A1 beta Cassein have higher incidences of heart disease, infant death syndrome, schizophrenia and autism. The pro Jallikattu activists have therefore concluded that without Jallikattu the bulls with strong, desirable characteristics cannot be practically determined by impoverished farmers in Tamil Nadu. This will lead to a decline in the health and milk quality of indigenous cows.

The information for this have been taken from the following sources.

1. https://thewire.in/19157/banning-jallikattu-will-decimate-indias-indigenous-cattle-breeds/ 2. http://enlightenmentismybirthright.blogspot.de/2014/05/jallikattu-ban-ruthless-conspiracy-by.html 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no8-RcTP2rs 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sbxwguJc_4

I kindly request admins to have the information in the videos translated to them in case you cannot speak Tamil since the videos are predominantly in Tamil. --Schandrasekar (talk) 12:37, 20 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schandrasekar (talk • contribs) 12:34, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * And exactly what scientific background does HipHop Tamizha have, that we should care what he thinks about the scientific soundness of the breeding process? Or Sivasenapathy, for that matter? Or the pro-Jallikattu activists? Also, it sounds like you're asserting a direct correlation between bull strength and type of milk the offspring produces. Assuming there is a correlation between bull strength and higher A2 milk, (which has not been established) where is the causation data? How do we know that higher A2 milk is not just a genetic predisposition for that breed of bull? Could any bull from that breed sire a cow that produced higher A2 milk? And, if the participants at a Jallikattu event are weak or lazy and can't stop the bulls, does that artificially impact the quality of milk produced down the line? If the participants have a bad day, does a potentially unsuitable bull wind up a stud? Also, please don't bring blogs to content discussions. Please see WP:UGC. Anyone can start a blog and prattle on about whatever s/he wants. Doesn't make it suitable for inclusion. The internet is swimming in pseudo-scientific blogs harping about autism and unfounded causation hypotheses. Please stick to mainstream sites with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a very minor point. I'm not sure what edit you are referring to, but blogs are allowed on Talk pages (is that what you mean by content discussion) - but they are rarely acceptable as an RS to verify article content. If a blog is brought up on here, it is up to the editors to decide whether it is an RS or not.  Hope this helps. DrChrissy (talk) 23:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The point was that blogs are not considered reliable per WP:UGC, and thus of little value in a content discussion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

To the person asking what scientific background Hip Hop Thamizha has, he is an electrical engineer who has also studied Master of Business administration and is currently pursuing PhD. Agnelvishal (talk) 12:59, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Edit request
The opening sentence please change "commonly of the Kangayam breed" to breeds used are Pulikulam, Kangayam, Umblachery, Bargur and Alambadi.

Reference below https://books.google.com/books?id=2UEJDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA275&dq=jallikattu+pulikulam&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwie3IPGgtrRAhWCKWMKHSHjDHwQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=jallikattu%20pulikulam&f=false Mason's World Encyclopedia of Livestock Breeds and Breeding, 2 Volume Pack

By Valerie Porter, Lawrence Alderson, Stephen J.G. Hall, D. Phillip Sponenberg

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/pulikulam-cattle-approved-as-indigenous-breed/article3652470.ece

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282867926_Management_and_physical_features_of_migratory_Pulikulam_cattle_of_Tamil_Nadu Management and physical features of migratory Pulikulam cattle of Tamil Nadu

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/home-to-bull-breeds-but-alien-to-jallikattu/article5580676.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiranmayi pal (talk • contribs) 00:24, 25 January 2017 (UTC)