Talk:Jamón

Merger
Personally I think it would make more sense to merge Jamón serrano, Pata negra and Jamón ibérico into this article since in English Jamón only refers to the Spanish dry-cured hams and a single article would give a better overview of the subject. FlagSteward 14:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Agreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.221.107 (talk) 10:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't an ad site
Never, ever, ever again have the idea of writing down in the article something like 'Jamón serrano brands' or 'Brands commercialising Jamón'. I've removed the brands from the article and I expect not having to do it again. Enough is that the only promotion given to Jamón outside Spain is the one given to ham under PDO coverage, forgetting —as if it didn't exist at all– about the really good ham that is made at a lot of homes throughout the whole country, like my family does. Sup. 2.139.3.25 (talk) 16:46, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Elaboration
My Oxford American, dictionary defines "elaboration" like this:

elaboration | əˌlabəˈrāSH(ə)n | noun the process of developing or presenting a theory, policy, or system in further detail: his work led to the elaboration of a theory of evolution | the concept needs more elaboration than a short essay allows. • the addition of more detail concerning what has already been said: the speech lacked any elaboration on concrete measures taken | this is a point requiring elaboration.

The wictionary entry to which you link has NO references and is not a definition in common use in spoken English. Senor Cuete (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello is it better with the word "production" ? Regards --NicoScribe (talk) 22:42, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, much better. Looking at on-line dictionaries and thesauruses like this one: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/elaboration?s=t I see no definition similar to the one on wictionary. Senor Cuete (talk) 22:44, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * so, we can use the word "production" in the article? --NicoScribe (talk) 23:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please do. Senor Cuete (talk) 00:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Rather poor
All three pages for Jamón, Jamón serrano and Jamón Ibérico are so so, specially the Jamón one. They read more like commercial brochures from the local commerce chamber and lists of legal mumbo jumbo about all of the places where is produced, and they lack actual useful and factual encyclopedic information. Or any references at all, for that matter. Also, for some odd reason, the Serrano and Ibérico pages completely omit any reference to Jamón, as do a couple of other food related pages. Feels like an attempt to have them listed for international audiences as very different products, when it's the complete opposite, and honestly, unless you have a dog in the fight or a strong regional sentiment, there's little merit for Jamón serrano and Jamón Ibérico to exist in the first place and their content rather uninformative. To put it lightly, certifications and the Protected designation of origin might be important for regional pride and market protection, not so very much for encyclopedias. And the difference between the different Jamón products, production process and exports can be easily done in a single article as it stands.

At this point, I'm more inclined to tread lightly and help contributing to this pages, specially Jamón, which is in shambles and a bit of a shame for one of the most important products of Spain, but it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone when an eventual merger proposal comes through. The first contributor to make this case did so a decade ago.

It also would be great for anyone to add a History a section for Jamón, but please DO NOT copy and translate a chunk of text from a brochure or a website, and then just list a reference. This articles are in desperate need of references and verifiable sources in carefully written sections, not more unsourced walls of text.

With regards, --FernandoCornejo (talk) 00:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)