Talk:Jam City (company)

Edit request: History
Hello, I'd like to make a series of suggestions for edits to update this article. Disclosure: I am here with a financial conflict of interest on behalf of Jam City through my work with Beutler Ink.

First up, I have researched and written a new draft of the article's History section, which I placed in my userspace and below (you can also see a diff I made comparing it to the live version).

The live Jam City (company) section is essentially a list of acquisitions without much context on the growth and development of Jam City as a company. My draft keeps the most important parts of the live article's section, but I've also tried to offer a glimpse into Jam City's major growth milestones pertaining to funding, acquisitions, and games, which have been written about in independent third-party sources. You'll probably notice that my History draft includes some details that are currently in the Games section, such as the success of Cookie Jam and Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery. That's because these games play a large role in the growth of Jam City, so it's important to see how they fit in with the company's history.

I keep my Wikipedia contributions where I have a financial conflict of interest on Talk pages rather than directly edit entries, so I'm looking for editors who might be willing to review my request and update the article as they feel is appropriate. Please ping me if you have any questions or feedback. I am happy to collaborate with others. Thank you in advance, Danilo Two (talk) 19:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Will finish during the long weekend. We previously worked together on Riot Games, so this should be smooth sailing. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 12:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I recall working on that article with you. It was a pleasure collaborating with you on there, and I look forward to doing so again here. Feel free to leave me any questions or feedback. Danilo Two (talk) 13:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Here are some notes I took while reading through the draft:


 * Jam City launched in 2010 when Austin Ventures and the startup's founders initially ... – What is "the startup" here?
 * Platform G acquired MindJolt and took its name. – Specify that this happened in March and consider stating MindJolt's existing business as well as founder Richard Fields' position after the buyout.
 * The company was known as SGN from March 2012 to September 2016. – This should be simplified to renaming as SGN. The Jam City rebranding is mentioned later on. Also clarify that 'The company' is MindJolt, not the old SGN or Hallpass Media.
 * In June 2013, SGN acquired Mob Science, a Facebook games developer of "mid-core social games" and ... – Either "Facebook games" or "mid-core social games" is redundant. "a developer of social games" should be sufficient.
 * Following Netmarble's investment, SGN acquired several companies, including TinyCo in July 2016. With the TinyCo acquisition, SGN added 125 employees to its ranks, bringing its total number to about 400. – This is a bit wordy and "several companies" is vague. Possible rewording: SGN bought the developers Fat Rascal Games and Kiwi Inc. in late 2015, followed by TinyCo in July 2016. The latter acquisition raised SGN's staff count from 125 to 400. The BizJournals.com article for the TinyCo acquisition also links to another article for the purchases of FRG and Kiwi if you'd like to cite that.
 * The company rebranded as Jam City, Inc. in 2016 – Pursuant to the change above, re-add "September" here. The ", Inc." is probably unnecessary as it is not part of the brand in that rebranding (and not mentioned in the source anyway).
 * Jam City's game library expanded in 2018. – This is redundant.
 * ... a mobile game based on J.K. Rowling's Wizarding World franchise ... – "J.K. Rowling" should be "J. K. Rowling" and wiki-linked.
 * Jam City also bought Bingo Pop from Uken Games, ... – "also" is redundant here. The month when this happened should be mentioned. I would also work in the subsequent sentence, e.g. Jam City bought the intellectual property, management, and development team of Bingo Pop from ...
 * Jam City took over the game Disney Emoji Blitz. – Consider mentioning that this was part of the deal mentioned in the prior sentence.
 * was Frozen Adventures based on the Frozen and Frozen 2 films, ... – Change the link for Frozen [1] to Frozen (2013 film) and add italics to both film names.
 * DeWolfe told GamesBeat that ... – GamesBeat should be in italics.


 * I will re-review once the changes are implemented. Regards, IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 12:07, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * IceWelder: This is great feedback. I'll get the draft updated and ping you when I'm finished with it. Thanks for your thorough and constructive review! Danilo Two (talk) 12:22, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I incorporated your feedback into my userspace draft and the collapse boxes below. My initial draft left out the names of some of the acquisitions because I felt having too many names made the text confusing to readers. After seeing your suggestions in practice, I no longer think that's the case. Thanks again for taking the time to offer such constructive feedback.

Let me know what you think of this draft. Thank you. Danilo Two (talk) 13:27, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I added the history with slight wording improvements for clarity. I noticed that some elements duplicated the sub-sections in "Games", so I removed those in favor of the expanded History. One thing I had to remove there was the Dragon Award for the Harry Potter game as it was sourced to Jam City's website and I could not immediately find a secondary-source replacement (might look again later). I also performed some general cleanup. Regards, IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 14:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for these updates! I noticed a missing word in the intro: The last sentence says "Netmarble the majority shareholder in Jam City". Can you add the word "is"? "Netmarble is the majority shareholder in Jam City". Also, I will look to see if I can find a secondary source for the Dragon Award. Lastly, I will go through the article to see how the remaining sections may be updated and improved. Hope you don't mind if I ping you when I post those requests. Thanks again! Danilo Two (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , my bad, I added the missing word. I will of course take future requests (I am watching the article now and will receive emails upon changes there and here). IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 15:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The intro currently says "Netmarble is the majority shareholder in Jam City." Netmarble is Jam City's "largest shareholder", not majority. I see that the Bloomberg source says "majority", but I'm told by Jam City that's not the case. "Largest" is verified in The New York Times and Fast Company. . Would you please consider changing "majority" to "largest"?


 * Additionally, I looked around for a source for the Dragon Award. There aren't great third-party sources for it. I did see that the Dragon Awards article cites Dragon Awards website. I saw a few blogs, too, such as Comics Beat, but those may not meet WP:RS. Do you think the Dragon Awards website is applicable here?


 * Thanks again for helping with this article. Danilo Two (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I altered Netmarble's position per your request; both The New York Times and Fast Company were already used in the body for this exact statement, so no citation is required in the lead (per WP:CITELEAD). As for the Dragon Awards, the rule of thumb is to avoid awards that are not covered by reliable secondary sources, as it would create a precedent inviting any odd award that happens to have an online awardee listing. Comics Beat ("The Beat") does not appear reliable at first glance but I might put before to the reliable sources noticeboard if required. Alas, I personally think that mentioning a single seemingly random award on the developer's article is somewhat superfluous. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 17:59, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for updating the infobox and intro regarding the Netmarble investment. As for the Dragon Award, I see no need to go to RSN or dig any further. The sourcing isn't great, and I certainly understand and respect that. The only reason I even brought it up was because it was in the article previously. Should there be a time where a reliable source can verify the Dragon Award, great, I'll revisit then. Otherwise, I'm happy to drop it. Danilo Two (talk) 18:24, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I was looking over the introduction and the beginning of the History section again and a few things struck me that I thought I could run by you.

First, the intro and the first paragraph of History may make it seem like Chris DeWolfe was the only founder of the Jam City, instead of a co-founder alongside Colin Digiaro, Aber Whitcomb, and Josh Yguado.

Second, the intro emphasizes Jam City's name changes. I wonder if we could edit it similar to how it used to read, but with your updates to the first sentence and additional updates to the company's size (number of studios and employees). Below I posted a proposed introduction (and markup) followed by a proposed first paragraph of History with the changes in green text (and markup).

Thanks again for helping with this article, and I appreciate you taking the time to consider these edits. Let me know if you have any questions or other feedback. Danilo Two (talk) 12:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Edited as requested, with teaks for the manual of style. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 22:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for these updates. Danilo Two (talk) 12:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: Games; Products and collaborations
Hello, I'd like to make another request to update this article. Disclosure: I am here with a financial conflict of interest on behalf of Jam City through my work with Beutler Ink.

Next up, I have researched and written a new draft of the article's Games and Products and collaborations sections. Since these two sections are related, I am proposing updates to both at the same time. I placed a draft in my userspace for review (you can also see a diff I made comparing it to the live version). I would usually include my draft on this Talk page as part of the request, but the gameography table wasn't rendering properly in a collapse box, so I'm just linking to my userspace draft. I hope that makes sense.

The live Jam_City_(company) section is short and outdated, so I put together an updated version that renames the section Selected gameography and includes a table of some of Jam City's games based on the availability of third-party reliable sources. In the table, I included the year the game was released, its platforms, genres, and any special notes that are needed.

I also shortened the Jam_City_(company) section by removing information about Book of Life and Peanuts, as that information exists in my Selected gameography draft. I removed "In contrast to the two major app stores in the US (App Store and Google Play), China has over a dozen." as it didn't seem the information was material for an article about Jam City.

I know you said you are busy at the moment, but I wanted to give you a heads up about this request in case it is of interest when your time frees up a bit.

I keep my Wikipedia contributions where I have a financial conflict of interest on Talk pages rather than directly edit entries, so I'm looking for editors who might be willing to review my request and update the article as they feel is appropriate. Please ping me if you have any questions or feedback. I am happy to collaborate with others. Thank you in advance, Danilo Two (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * : I overtook the "Products and collaborations" as drafted but I'm holding off from the table for now. Notes columns should usually only contain something that affected the company's role (e.g. is/was a licensee; bought the game from another developer; bought the developer of the game). Details like player count, awards, or revenue are usually not mentioned. Furthermore, the word "gameography" (or "ludography") is not in widespread use and was largely replaced by the Video games WikiProject with more recognizable terms. Android and iOS should be linked in their first instance (and consider using  as all games are on the same platforms).  IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 13:25, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I updated the table in my user space. Let me know if this works better! I updated the title to "Selected games", used  per your suggestion, and removed notes about revenues, player counts, and awards. Thanks again for your constructive feedback. Danilo Two (talk) 13:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good. ✅ with the usual wikification/fixes. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 15:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Danilo Two (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Jam City going public
Hello, Jam City recently announced that it would go public through a merger with a special purpose acquisition company. The story was picked up by several reliable sources, so I put together proposed wording, citing Reuters and Bloomberg, for editors to consider adding to History. Disclosure: I am here with a financial conflict of interest on behalf of Jam City through my work with Beutler Ink.

Coverage of the announcement also included some updated stats that could be added to the article, if editors think it's appropriate. This GamesBeat story verifies that as of 2021:
 * Jam City had more than 825 employees
 * Jam City's games were downloaded 1.3 billion times
 * Jam City had 31 million monthly active users

I also wanted to give you a heads up about this request in case it is of interest when your time frees up a bit.

I keep my Wikipedia contributions where I have a financial conflict of interest on Talk pages rather than directly edit entries, so I'm looking for editors who might be willing to review my request and update the article as they feel is appropriate. Please ping me if you have any questions or feedback. I am happy to collaborate with others. Thank you in advance, Danilo Two (talk) 12:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 13:25, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for this! What are your thoughts on using this GamesBeat story to update the introduction with the following as of 2021:
 * Jam City had more than 825 employees
 * Jam City's games were downloaded 1.3 billion times
 * Jam City had 31 million monthly active users
 * Thanks for considering. Danilo Two (talk) 13:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * That must have slipped my mind, sorry. I inserted this, distributed across the respective sections and with a short mention in the lead. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 15:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Danilo Two (talk) 16:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)