Talk:Jamaica station

Remnants of South Street station after grade elimination (or something else?)
As visible here: |40°41'56.9"N+73°47'56.2"W and here: |40°41'54.4"N+73°47'52.9"W, there seem to be remaining elements of what look like spurs that were pulled down in the location described for the station. If these are station elements, perhaps they ought to be included in the paragraph covering South Street? --68.233.191.250 (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * WOW! I never knew that these existed. I am not sure whether this related to the South Street station, but this is a great find. Thanks so much for the find. What led you to find this? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:09, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I seem to have a good eye for this stuff. Saw part of it riding back into the city, and made a mental note to check Google satellite images when I got home (like I did with Whitepot years ago). The collapsed one on the right looks like original wooden trestle too. Thing is, if this is part of the station (this is where the station is supposed to be, yes?) after grade elimination, what were the turnoffs for? Connection to trolley tracks at grade? That part puzzles me, but it's in the right spot for the station.


 * Hey, as it's close, take a look at the area on 158th Street between 109th-111th Avenues as well. I suspect it's what's left of a spur into a small yard at Brinkerhoff, if not a ROW along 158th. It's bracketed by some classic 1900s towers; two of which follow 158th instead of the line. Towers:, , . Yard/ROW?:,. I'd love to see an old 1900s map of this area to know for sure. It might shed light on those South Street turnoffs as well. --68.233.191.250 (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

LIRR station naming convention discussion
There is a discussion occurring regarding the naming of LIRR station articles. Please weigh in if you'd like to! Thanks! –Daybeers (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 1 May 2018

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. There is clear policy-backed consensus in favor of the proposed moves. Cases where ambiguity is asserted can be individually addressed post-hoc. bd2412 T 22:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

– Per WP:USSTATION, stations without the need for disambiguation should be named "xxx station", and ones requiring it should be named "xxx station (disambiguator)". Previous discussion on the Wikipedia policy page can be found here. This list is in alphabetical order first of Category:Long Island Rail Road stations, and then lists Category:Former Long Island Rail Road stations in alphabetical order. Daybeers (talk) 01:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Jamaica (LIRR station) → Jamaica station
 * Auburndale (LIRR station) → Auburndale station (LIRR)
 * Babylon (LIRR station) → Babylon station
 * Baldwin (LIRR station) → Baldwin station
 * Bay Shore (LIRR station) → Bay Shore station
 * Bayside (LIRR station) → Bayside station (LIRR)
 * Bellerose (LIRR station) → Bellerose station
 * Bellmore (LIRR station) → Bellmore station
 * Bellport (LIRR station) → Bellport station
 * Belmont Park (LIRR station) → Belmont Park station
 * Bethpage (LIRR station) → Bethpage station
 * Brentwood (LIRR station) → Brentwood station (LIRR)
 * Bridgehampton (LIRR station) → Bridgehampton station
 * Broadway (LIRR station) → Broadway station (LIRR)
 * Carle Place (LIRR station) → Carle Place station
 * Cedarhurst (LIRR station) → Cedarhurst station
 * Central Islip (LIRR station) → Central Islip station
 * Centre Avenue (LIRR station) → Centre Avenue station
 * Cold Spring Harbor (LIRR station) → Cold Spring Harbor station
 * Copiague (LIRR station) → Copiague station
 * Country Life Press (LIRR station) → Country Life Press station
 * Deer Park (LIRR station) → Deer Park station
 * Douglaston (LIRR station) → Douglaston station
 * East Hampton (LIRR station) → East Hampton station
 * East New York (LIRR station) → East New York station
 * East Rockaway (LIRR station) → East Rockaway station
 * East Williston (LIRR station) → East Williston station
 * Far Rockaway (LIRR station) → Far Rockaway station (LIRR)
 * Farmingdale (LIRR station) → Farmingdale station
 * Floral Park (LIRR station) → Floral Park station
 * Flushing–Main Street (LIRR station) → Flushing–Main Street station (LIRR)
 * Forest Hills (LIRR station) → Forest Hills station (LIRR)
 * Freeport (LIRR station) → Freeport station (LIRR)
 * Garden City (LIRR station) → Garden City station (LIRR)
 * Gibson (LIRR station) → Gibson station
 * Glen Cove (LIRR station) → Glen Cove station
 * Glen Head (LIRR station) → Glen Head station
 * Glen Street (LIRR station) → Glen Street station
 * Great Neck (LIRR station) → Great Neck station
 * Great River (LIRR station) → Great River station
 * Greenlawn (LIRR station) → Greenlawn station
 * Greenport (LIRR station) → Greenport station
 * Greenvale (LIRR station) → Greenvale station
 * Hampton Bays (LIRR station) → Hampton Bays station
 * Hempstead Gardens (LIRR station) → Hempstead Gardens station
 * Hewlett (LIRR station) → Hewlett station
 * Hicksville (LIRR station) → Hicksville station
 * Hollis (LIRR station) → Hollis station
 * Hunterspoint Avenue (LIRR station) → Hunterspoint Avenue station (LIRR)
 * Huntington (LIRR station) → Huntington station (LIRR)
 * Inwood (LIRR station) → Inwood station (LIRR)
 * Island Park (LIRR station) → Island Park station
 * Islip (LIRR station) → Islip station (LIRR)
 * Kew Gardens (LIRR station) → Kew Gardens station (LIRR)
 * Kings Park (LIRR station) → Kings Park station (LIRR)
 * Lakeview (LIRR station) → Lakeview station
 * Laurelton (LIRR station) → Laurelton station
 * Lawrence (LIRR station) → Lawrence station (LIRR)
 * Lindenhurst (LIRR station) → Lindenhurst station
 * Little Neck (LIRR station) → Little Neck station
 * Locust Manor (LIRR station) → Locust Manor station
 * Locust Valley (LIRR station) → Locust Valley station
 * Long Beach (LIRR station) → Long Beach station (LIRR)
 * Long Island City (LIRR station) → Long Island City station
 * Lynbrook (LIRR station) → Lynbrook station
 * Malverne (LIRR station) → Malverne station (LIRR)
 * Manhasset (LIRR station) → Manhasset station
 * Massapequa (LIRR station) → Massapequa station
 * Massapequa Park (LIRR station) → Massapequa Park station
 * Mastic–Shirley (LIRR station) → Mastic–Shirley station
 * Mattituck (LIRR station) → Mattituck station
 * Medford (LIRR station) → Medford station
 * Merillon Avenue (LIRR station) → Merillon Avenue station
 * Merrick (LIRR station) → Merrick station
 * Mets–Willets Point (LIRR station) → Mets–Willets Point station (LIRR)
 * Mineola (LIRR station) → Mineola station (LIRR)
 * Montauk (LIRR station) → Montauk station
 * Murray Hill (LIRR station) → Murray Hill station (LIRR)
 * Nassau Boulevard (LIRR station) → Nassau Boulevard station (LIRR)
 * New Hyde Park (LIRR station) → New Hyde Park station
 * Northport (LIRR station) → Northport station
 * Nostrand Avenue (LIRR station) → Nostrand Avenue station (LIRR)
 * Oakdale (LIRR station) → Oakdale station
 * Oceanside (LIRR station) → Oceanside station (LIRR)
 * Oyster Bay (LIRR station) → Oyster Bay station
 * Patchogue (LIRR station) → Patchogue station
 * Pinelawn (LIRR station) → Pinelawn station
 * Plandome (LIRR station) → Plandome station
 * Port Jefferson (LIRR station) → Port Jefferson station (LIRR)
 * Port Washington (LIRR station) → Port Washington station
 * Queens Village (LIRR station) → Queens Village station
 * Riverhead (LIRR station) → Riverhead station
 * Rockville Centre (LIRR station) → Rockville Centre station (LIRR)
 * Ronkonkoma (LIRR station) → Ronkonkoma station
 * Rosedale (LIRR station) → Rosedale (LIRR)
 * Roslyn (LIRR station) → Roslyn station (LIRR)
 * St. Albans (LIRR station) → St. Albans station (LIRR)
 * St. James (LIRR station) → St. James station (LIRR)
 * Sayville (LIRR station) → Sayville station
 * Sea Cliff (LIRR station) → Sea Cliff station
 * Seaford (LIRR station) → Seaford station (LIRR)
 * Smithtown (LIRR station) → Smithtown station
 * Southampton (LIRR station) → Southampton station (LIRR)
 * Southold (LIRR station) → Southold station
 * Speonk (LIRR station) → Speonk station
 * Stewart Manor (LIRR station) → Stewart Manor station
 * Stony Brook (LIRR station) → Stony Brook station (LIRR)
 * Sunnyside (LIRR station) → Sunnyside station (LIRR)
 * Syosset (LIRR station) → Syosset station
 * Valley Stream (LIRR station) → Valley Stream station
 * Wantagh (LIRR station) → Wantagh station
 * West Hempstead (LIRR station) → West Hempstead station
 * Westbury (LIRR station) → Westbury station (LIRR)
 * Westhampton (LIRR station) → Westhampton station
 * Westwood (LIRR station) → Westwood station (LIRR)
 * Woodmere (LIRR station) → Woodmere station
 * Woodside (LIRR station) → Woodside station (LIRR)
 * Wyandanch (LIRR station) → Wyandanch station
 * Yaphank (LIRR station) → Yaphank station
 * Aquebogue (LIRR station) → Aquebogue station
 * Bartlett's (LIRR station) → Bartlett's station
 * Bayport (LIRR station) → Bayport station
 * Beach Channel (LIRR station) → Beach Channel station
 * Bellaire (LIRR station) → Bellaire station
 * Blue Point (LIRR station) → Blue Point station
 * Brookhaven (LIRR station) → Brookhaven station (LIRR)
 * Brooklyn Hills (LIRR station) → Brooklyn Hills station
 * Brooklyn Manor (LIRR station) → Brooklyn Manor station
 * Bushwick (LIRR station) → Bushwick station
 * Calverton (LIRR station) → Calverton station
 * Canal Street (LIRR station) → Canal Street station (LIRR)
 * Canoe Place (LIRR station) → Canoe Place station
 * Cedar Manor (LIRR station) → Cedar Manor station
 * Center Moriches (LIRR station) → Center Moriches station
 * Clarenceville (LIRR station) → Clarenceville station (LIRR)
 * Clinton Road (LIRR station) → Clinton Road station
 * Corona (LIRR station) → Corona station (LIRR)
 * Cutchogue (LIRR station) → Cutchogue station
 * Dunton (LIRR station) → Dunton station
 * East Moriches (LIRR station) → East Moriches station
 * Eastport (LIRR station) → Eastport station
 * Elmhurst (LIRR station) → Elmhurst station (LIRR)
 * Fifth Street (LIRR station) → Fifth Street station (LIRR)
 * Fire Place (LIRR station) → Fire Place station
 * Flowerfield (LIRR station) → Flowerfield station
 * Fresh Pond (LIRR station) → Fresh Pond station
 * Glendale (LIRR station) → Glendale station (LIRR)
 * Goose Creek (LIRR station) → Goose Creek station
 * Grand Street (LIRR Evergreen Branch station) → Grand Street station (LIRR Evergreen Branch)
 * Grand Street (LIRR Main Line station) → Grand Street station (LIRR Main Line)
 * Greenpoint (LIRR station) → Greenpoint station
 * Grumman (LIRR station) → Grumman station
 * Haberman (LIRR station) → Haberman station
 * Hagerman (LIRR station) → Hagerman station
 * Hamilton Beach (LIRR station) → Hamilton Beach station
 * Hammels (LIRR station) → Hammels station
 * Higbie Avenue (LIRR station) → Higbie Avenue station
 * Hillside (LIRR station) → Hillside station (LIRR)
 * Holbrook (LIRR station) → Holbrook station
 * Holtsville (LIRR station) → Holtsville station
 * Howard (LIRR station) → Howard station (LIRR)
 * Humboldt Street (LIRR station) → Humboldt Street station
 * Jamesport (LIRR station) → Jamesport station
 * Landia (LIRR station) → Landia station
 * Laurel (LIRR station) → Laurel station (LIRR)
 * Laurel Hill (LIRR station) → Laurel Hill station
 * Manorville (LIRR station) → Manorville station
 * Maspeth (LIRR station) → Maspeth station (LIRR)
 * Mastic (LIRR station) → Mastic station
 * Metropolitan Avenue (LIRR station) → Metropolitan Avenue station (LIRR)
 * Mill Neck (LIRR station) → Mill Neck station
 * Miller Place (LIRR station) → Miller Place station
 * Myrtle Avenue (LIRR Evergreen Branch station) → Myrtle Avenue station (LIRR)
 * New Cassel (LIRR station) → New Cassel station
 * North Roslyn (LIRR station) → North Roslyn station
 * Noyack Road (LIRR station) → Noyack Road station
 * Ozone Park (LIRR station) → Ozone Park station (LIRR)
 * Parkside (LIRR station) → Parkside station
 * Peconic (LIRR station) → Peconic station
 * Penny Bridge (LIRR station) → Penny Bridge station
 * Promised Land (LIRR station) → Promised Land station
 * Queenswater (LIRR station) → Queenswater station
 * Quogue (LIRR station) → Quogue station
 * The Raunt (LIRR station) → The Raunt station
 * Rego Park (LIRR station) → Rego Park station (LIRR)
 * Republic (LIRR station) → Republic station
 * Richmond Hill (LIRR station) → Richmond Hill station (LIRR)
 * Ridgewood (LIRR Evergreen Branch station) → Ridgewood station (LIRR Evergreen Branch)
 * Ridgewood (LIRR Lower Montauk station) → Ridgewood station (LIRR Lower Montauk)
 * Rockaway Junction (LIRR station) → Rockaway Junction station
 * Rocky Point (LIRR station) → Rocky Point station
 * Sag Harbor (LIRR station) → Sag Harbor station
 * Setauket (LIRR station) → Setauket station
 * Shinnecock Hills (LIRR station) → Shinnecock Hills station
 * Shoreham (LIRR station) → Shoreham station (LIRR)
 * South Eighth Street (LIRR station) → South Eighth Street station
 * South Farmingdale (LIRR station) → South Farmingdale station
 * Southampton Campus (LIRR station) → Southampton Campus station
 * Springfield Gardens (LIRR station) → Springfield Gardens station
 * Suffolk Downs (LIRR station) → Suffolk Downs station (LIRR)
 * Union Hall Street (LIRR station) → Union Hall Street station
 * Unqua (LIRR station) → Unqua station
 * Wading River (LIRR station) → Wading River station
 * Wainscott (LIRR station) → Wainscott station
 * Wampmissic (LIRR station) → Wampmissic station
 * Water Mill (LIRR station) → Water Mill station
 * Westbridge (LIRR station) → Westbridge station
 * Whitestone Landing (LIRR station) → Whitestone Landing station
 * Willow Tree (LIRR station) → Willow Tree station (LIRR)
 * Winfield Junction (LIRR station) → Winfield Junction station
 * Woodhaven (LIRR station) → Woodhaven station
 * Woodhaven Junction (LIRR station) → Woodhaven Junction station
 * Wreck Lead (LIRR station) → Wreck Lead station
 * Support based on extensive prior discussion of both the USSTATION guideline and its applicability to the LIRR as a mainline railroad that is part of the national railroad network. Though I wonder why Seaside station needs the long disambiguation; unless there's another seaside station in the LIRR, the line doesn't need to be specified. oknazevad (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC) Addendum, I don't think this article needs a dowambiguator at all as WP:PRIMARY; Jamaica Station already redirects here, and the only other item is the Royal Navy station, which is covered by the hatnote under WP:TWODABS. oknazevad (talk) 01:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. Should I change it above or just leave it until the move occurs? –Daybeers (talk) 01:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * At this point, since no one else has commented, I would change them both. oknazevad (talk) 01:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Will do. –Daybeers (talk) 02:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as obvious and useful. I also concur with this article being Jamaica station, and with simplifying Seaside. Several of the others that are currently distinguished by line might better be distinguished by geography instead. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I found this disambiguation page for Seaside. Hmm...both articles redirect to other articles...what should we do? –Daybeers (talk) 02:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Seaside station can continue to point where it does; that name was used for far, far longer there than at the other station. For the brief name, I would consider Seaside station (Babylon) Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Right. We can do the same thing with that article as the ones on the MBTA RM: change the links to it, create the new redirect, and then possibly delete the page. –Daybeers (talk) 03:00, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Oppose because several stations are ambiguous. Theoallen1 (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. This move is in line with current guidelines and I'm pleased with how thoroughly it's been addressed. I agree with the simplifications for Jamaica and Seaside. Mackensen (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose All because the current guidelines are rotten. Hey, look what I found; Another Medford Station. BTW, rename these, and not only will I never submit another new picture again, but I will quit WP:TRAINS, WP:NYPT, and publically denounce the whole system. -User:DanTD (talk) 03:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Why do you think the current guidelines are rotten? Why make an article title longer than necessary? I see no advantage to Long Island City (LIRR station) over Long Island City station. The fact that there is another Medford station elsewhere in the world doesn't mean anything. If there isn't a Wikipedia article on it, it's not an issue. –Daybeers (talk) 03:47, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * They're not longer than necessary, and most are long enough. Regardless of the fact that there's no article on the former Medford (Southern Pacific station), the current proposal takes away the identity of Medford (LIRR station) as a Long Island Rail Road station. Also there's an Auburndale (MBTA station), and naming New York City Subway stations for the trains that use them rather than the lines is no better. -User:DanTD (talk)  04:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The point of article titles is (usually) not to be descriptive. The fact that it's a station on the LIRR is explained in the article. Per WP:CRITERIA, one of the five characteristics of a "good Wikipedia article title" is "Naturalness — The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English." I don't know anyone who would actually say "Medford (LIRR station)" when referring to the station...do you? Therefore, readers searching for that article would most likely type in Medford station, which would yield no exact matches. They could do the full search for articles containing "Medford station", but most probably wouldn't, concluding that Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the station. The point of titles is to make it easy for all readers, experts or not, to find what they're looking for. Making titles more complicated than necessary defeats that purpose. –Daybeers (talk) 04:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "The current guidelines are rotten [but I can't be bothered to try to convince the broader community of that]" -- please see WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. "I will quit" -- Rage quit. But don't worry; editors who don't want to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines quit all the time, and the editors who do continue to collaborate on the project. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * editors who don't want to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines quit all the time - The difference here is that DanTD is a long-time constructive editor, not some vandal who just went on Wikipedia pages and wrote nonsense. It would truly be a loss if DanTD decided to leave the project. I also think the USSTATION guidelines aren't perfect and that it would now be harder to determine what system a certain station is on. However, it's a relatively minor problem in the long run. epicgenius (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't said he was a vandal; we've lost other non-vandal editors who didn't want to collaborate on the project, and DanTD's usual response along the lines of "god damn it not this shit again" has not been constructive. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Likewise. I was simply pointing out that DanTD does not have a history of disrupting Wikipedia. His objections are a bit benign in the sense that he hasn't done a mass-revert of USSTATION moves (so far, to my knowledge, and this only counts moving back the pages for all the stations in a system). I am just saying that it is probably not a good idea to alienate contributors who have historically been helpful to the project. If DanTD wants to leave (which I hope he doesn't), then it wouldn't help if you are encouraging him. epicgenius (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful if he didn't use the possibility of his quitting (which I hope he doesn't) as an !vote argument against following the guidelines and consensus. Which is why I linked Rage quit. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Dan doesn't seem to actively revert articles anymore that I've noticed, but other behavior like belittling comments, obstruction, and threatening to quit if he doesn't get his way are toxic for a collaborative project.--Cúchullain t/ c 21:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the clarification. epicgenius (talk) 21:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * East New York (Broadway Junction)
 * Far Rockaway (Far Rockaway A)
 * Long Island City (Court Square)
 * Beach Channel (Broad Channel)
 * Brooklyn Manor (104th J Station)
 * Bushwick Station (L train)
 * Fresh Pond Station (M train)
 * Greenpoint (G train)
 * Hammels (A train)
 * Rockaway Junction (A train at Rockaway Blvd)
 * Woodhaven (E/F)
 * Woodhaven Junction (E/F)
 * East New York doesn't have its own article.
 * Disambiguation can be added to Far Rockaway.
 * Long Island City doesn't have its own article.
 * Beach and Broad are different enough to not warrant disambiguation. A hatnote can be added if it's really needed.
 * 104th Street (BMT Jamaica Line) clearly links to Brooklyn Manor (LIRR station).
 * Bushwick and Bushwick Avenue are different. A hatnote can be added if it's really needed.
 * Fresh Pond is different from Fresh Pond Road.
 * Same as with Bushwick.
 * Hammels Wye is different from Hammels station.
 * Rockaway Junction doesn't have its own article.
 * I'm not sure which article you're referring to here.
 * Woodhaven Junction doesn't have its own article. –Daybeers (talk) 04:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For the second to last point, I assume, Woodhaven Boulevard (IND Queens Boulevard Line) and Woodhaven Boulevard (BMT Jamaica Line). epicgenius (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Those names are different enough to not need disambiguation. –Daybeers (talk) 21:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support in general. If ambiguity results or remains, then following the recommendations of WP:USSTATION should easily resolve any problem.  I support Theoallen1's desire to fix any problems, but it's not necessary to work out all the details before doing this move.  Dicklyon (talk) 04:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support for the ambiguous changes. If something you're trying to disambiguate doesn't have a relevant second article (like Tower City station and Tower City Station (Flower shop)), there is no need to disambiguate.  Cards84664  (talk) 11:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRECISION, WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, and WP:USSTATION. Very clear-cut. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Quoting WP:LOCALCONSENSUS: "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a wikiproject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope." -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per above comments. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:USSTATION, WP:COMMONNAME and the WP:NC. We don't need to disambiguate for stations with no articles.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I fixed Jamaica station because it is also an AirTrain JFK station, and Far Rockaway station (LIRR) because of the existence of a subway station with the same name. epicgenius (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing Far Rockaway, but Jamaica can be moved to Jamaica station because Jamaica (AirTrain JFK station) (which I just changed to Jamaica station (AirTrain JFK) is just a redirect to Jamaica (LIRR station). –Daybeers (talk) 20:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed both. Far Rockaway station to Far Rockaway station (LIRR), and Jamaica station (LIRR) to Jamaica station. epicgenius (talk) 21:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no need to hold up controversial stations before moving other stations. For Long Island City, it should be noted that the G train says “Long Island City - Court Square” on the trains. However, particularly with closed stations, the need to avoid confusion with the NYC Subway should be obvious. Theoallen1 (talk) 00:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. The proposed names really better follows the WP:AT policy. They are more concise yet still precise. —seav (talk) 00:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Another comment: Kew Gardens 613 has created the East Yaphank (LIRR station) article yesterday. It falls into the old naming format. Just noting in case anyone wants to discuss a LIRR-wide station renaming format. epicgenius (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought this or the discussion at WP:USSTATION would serve as that. Is there something else that should be changed also? –Daybeers (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess you can either add the East Yaphank (LIRR station) article to the RM, or it can be moved directly if you want. epicgenius (talk) 20:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Moved. Thanks for catching that! –Daybeers (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Rreagan007 (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Jamaica station track count
It's a minor matter, but our Jamaica station article includes the AirTrain station, so maybe its two tracks should be counted in the info box. Perhaps "12 (including AirTrain)". agr (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @ArnoldReinhold, good point. I assumed that @LIRRTrainMaster was referring to the fact that the LIRR tracks are numbered from 1 to 12. Tracks 9 and 10 aren't adjacent to any platform, but they are not the only tracks that bypass the station.If we change the infobox like you suggest, though, we also have to change the "platforms" parameter to "7 (including AirTrain)". Currently, the infobox only mentions the six LIRR platforms and 10 LIRR tracks. The AirTrain is only listed as a "connection" and doesn't have its own infobox, which I've always thought was a bit strange. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:03, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I did a closer look and there are other things that need to change. In any case, we need distance to Grand Central Madison. Should East Side Access be listed as a line? What then to call the line to NYP? The bigger issue is whether Jamaica includes AirTrain or not, i.e. is it an LIRR hub or an intermodal transportation hub? Take a look at Pennsylvania Station (Newark) which takes the later approach. I'm inclined to the later approach since that is what it is and doing so would give a better sense of the complex's importance to a casual reader. I wouldn't incorporate the subway station article, but would include a brief descriptive paragraph, and list passenger counts for LIRR, AirTrain and maybe subway, like Newark does. The services section could include AirTrain too. Thoughts?--agr (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @ArnoldReinhold, that is a lot to consider. I agree that we need to list the distance to Grand Central Madison, since we already list the distance to the other three terminals. Regarding ESA, I think it may be considered its own line, but only between GCM and Harold Interlocking, where it rejoins the Main Line.As for including the AirTrain station in the infobox, I think we should move that conversation to Talk:Jamaica station so we can get more eyes on the discussion. The Newark Penn article is a bit strange because the PATH station is part of the mainline railroad station there - there's even a cross-platform transfer between the NJT/Amtrak and WTC-bound PATH. I think something similar may apply to the AirTrain station at Jamaica, since the AirTrain's exit is connected directly to the LIRR concourse. But again, I think this would benefit from a wider discussion at the Jamaica station's talk page. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree we should move this discussion to the article's talk page. Do you want to just copy what we have to there? You have my permission to do so.--agr (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll do that now. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the move. Maybe we should start with changes dictated by the new Grand Central service. I couldn't find a good source for the Jamaica — Grand central distance. I measured using Google Maps and got 10.5 mi. Anyone have a better source?--agr (talk) 17:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)