Talk:James "Sawyer" Ford

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Does anyone know they exact quote from when Sawyer called Shannon "sticks"? I think it went something like: "You're in my light, sticks." "Light sitcks?" "Light, comma, sticks as in those long legs of yours"

But I'm not sure. Do we put it on this page since he already gave an explanation for the name?

Boat Captain's nickname
Should the nickname Sawyer gave the leader of the others be included in this list? He called him Zeke(Possible reference to the biblical Ezekel, having to do with the man's bearded appearance).--Wilson(cc) 21:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it is already in the list. Is it not the 5th item down, the one for Mr. Friendly? --V3rt1g0 17:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's already on the list, but I'm not too sure how accurate the source of the nickname is. I guess the reason Sawyer called him "Zeke" is up for debate. Jtrost 22:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Zeke is more likely a reference to Muppet's bearded band member, Zeke. See: . Also, I've corrected his "name" to "Mr. Friendly" based on the Carlton Cuse/Damon Lindelof from the latest podcast—LeFlyman 17:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it's more likely that Zeke was intended as a generic "mountain man"/hillbilly/redneck name. The Muppet character is extremely obscure.--whysanitynet 21:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sawyer's nicknames usually are pop-cultural and tend towards the obscure ("Short round" and "Stay Puft" come to mind). Of course, in this case, it really is guesswork, so removing the "reference" might be in order. —LeFlyman 01:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be opposed to removing Zeke. Many of his nicknames are obvious, but there are a few that are questionable.  I think that unless we get confirmation from a writer, Zeke can go. Jtrost 01:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * while it is a fact that Sawyer used the name 'Zeke', we are guessing as to why. the page should reflect facts, not guesses.  raining_girl 18:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Nickname "Reason"
The entire "Reason" column for nicknames is purely speculative, with no underlying verifiable sources-- just based on the guesses of whomever adds them. Further, it's unnecessary, as the "Reference" column does much the same thing without the extended Original Research that "Reason" does. Thus, I'm removing the column. —LeFlyman 16:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Never done a good thing in his life?
Couldn't it be argued that, when Sawyer refused to go through with a con as he watched the couple's young son walk into the room, this was one of the good things he did in his life? Or maybe he's just so self-loathing that he doesn't want to recognize anything good he's done.--204.246.229.220 16:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Nicknames
This section is becoming excessively long. Should we include every nickname, or just a select few for each character? Jtrost (T | C | #) 21:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If no one has any suggestions I will go ahead and limit each person to 2-3 nicknames and closely watch the list tomake sure it doesn't get out of control. Jtrost (T | C | #) 22:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

My favorite, "Rambina" for Ana Lucia, isn't on here! So, I'd like to see an extensive list, if not on this page then on another that it links to.
 * You can add as many nicknames as you like to Lostpedia's list. They seem to encourage fancruft. Jtrost (T | C | #) 13:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Sun's nickname
in some episode sawyer also calls sun "betty" although i dont know which one.

''(I too also recall Sawyer calling Sun "Betty", and this was in "...In Translation", where Jin is accused of burning down the raft. I believe the following quote verifies this:

Sun "My husband is many things, but he is not a liar."

Sawyer "You wanna lecture us about lyin', Betty?")''

Michael's nickname
sawyer also calls him daddy in Whatever The Case may Be when Michael says something along the lines of "If you can open that case I'll fly you to los Angeles myself on my back" and Sawyer says "You better find a runway, daddy." Personally I think sawyer not going through with the con when he sees that couple's son is a good thing. I think he doesn't want the same thing that happened to him to happen to another child.

Kato
When Sawyer refers to Jin as 'Cato' he is more likely alluding to Burt Kwuok's character in The Pink Panther, (who was based on Kato from the Green Hornet). It seems like he would have been more familiar with this source material. h7dders 13:59, 26 September 2006 (BST)

Hoss or Boss?
I had heard Sawyer call people (specifically Pickett, I believe, or one of the Others who was giving him orders) "Boss" - was I just misunderstanding him saying (as written here) "Hoss"? Riverbend 19:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

shortcake
I thought he called Kate "Shortcake" because he had just told her (a few seconds earlier) that she tastes like strawberries, not necessarily because Straw. Shortcake was a freckled character (or, maybe in addition to that reason). Is this something worth clarifying? Riverbend 20:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Pickett
Sawyer called Pickett "Boss" (Glass Ballerina) as well as "Broken-Nose Man" (Every Man for Himself). He only has one nickname beside his name, I would add it but I am having trouble getting it to look right. Riverbend 23:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * and blockhead (charlie brown?) in "I Do" Riverbend 02:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sawyer's use of "Boss" for Pickett and the other guy is likely based off of the "rule" (enforced quite strongly on Ralph Waite's character from "Cool Hand Luke") whereby the road guards are called "boss" (not even "sir") and the prison warden "Captain". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.150.208.34 (talk) 17:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Nicknames list
Should it stay or go? I'm leaning towards removal. --Pentasyllabic 03:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It should go. This kind of list is fancruft to the max, and brings all of Wikipedia to a lower level when we accept its inclusion and perpetuation. -- PKtm 04:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that highlights from the list should be incorporated into the text - a note on his penchant for nicknames and a few main examples. It would be almost impossible to ever make this list complete, and some of the rationales just seem fuzzy, so it will just probably continue to grow out of control if it is not removed.  This is a nice effort, I enjoyed reading it and hopefully it can find a place on some other site. . .  Riverbend 13:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's nice but it should definitely go; If anybody does wish to look at it then it will always be in the history.. but at present it is really unmaintainable and leaning towards demi-cruft. Matthew Fenton (talk • contribs) 17:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed it, and it was re-added. I don't see why it should've been re-added in the first place, if most people believe it should go. It's obviously fancruft and not needed (and should've never been on the page in the first place). RobJ1981 20:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Can see why you would argue this list is fancruft but nicknames are an integral part od Sawyer's character so in this case they should stay. They root him and the series in the popular culture due to the wide range ofg their sources. raining_girl 22:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The removing and reinserting of this has gotten excessive - it seems like the general opinion is that it should go. The nicknames are an important element of Sawyer's character, but I believe that their importance can be expressed fine with a paragraph, rather than an extended list.  Alternatively, if there is still disagreement, we could maybe reduce the list down to JUST popcultural nicknames, which would make it smaller and possibly more manageable.  But it would still have some guesswork (for example, El Jacko - spanish title, possibly michael jackson), and then we could just argue forever about what counts as pop culture.  Can we just decide to leave the list out?  Riverbend 20:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

hmm, here's a suggestion that might please everyone - remove the list, but link to Lostpedia saying that the information is there? raining_girl 23:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

In my opiniong it should come back or there should be a decent link to somewhere where all the nicknames are.
 * It already does refer to the compilation of nicknames on the Season 2 dvd. . . Riverbend 16:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * How about the listing at Lostpedia? --Amberjet11 18:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm just a visitor to this article but edit Wikipedia heavily. I came to this article specifically to view the nickname list. I was a bit taken aback that it was removed and had to go into the history to find it. This information should not be removed - it was a valuable addition to the article. Keep it in. Morphh  (talk) 23:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Any specific rationalle for keeping it other than it satisfies your curiosity. I contributed the list and found it extremely hard to phrase why Sawyer called someone that name. Its hard to express and it was my own interpretation. Any section that is not based on hard facts and just what a person thinks it might be should never be on Wikipedia. Gdo01 00:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Any time I have vistited this article (which has been a few) it was to find out about Sawyer's nicknames. I viewed it as a user and not an editor.  Perhaps I'm an oddity... It just seem to me to be relavent to Sawyer's character and information that was worth having in the article - it was worth having for me as a reader.  I don't expect that every meaning be noted if such is difficult and looks like OR. I'm just giving my vote since it is under discussion.   Morphh   (talk) 01:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The list exists on lostpedia, linking to it from this article might help editors resist the temptation to add one here. --Milo H Minderbinder 14:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sex
It says in Trivia that Sawyer is the only male character to have had sex on the island, but didn't Sayid and Shannon have sex. Algebra man 15:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC) --don't forget Jin, he had sex with sun, thats how she became pregnant. 10:33, 28 April 2007

You would be correct. Obviously Jin and Sun have in order for her to be pregnant with his child, and I'mfairly sure that Sayid and Shannon did the night she died. (James Sawyer Ford 02:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC))

Who is Jack's Father ?
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So who is John Locke's father ? Christian Shephard or Anthony Cooper ? 66.36.144.175 12:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought the question was Jack's father? It says clearly that Christian Shepherd is Jack's father (a fact) and says that Anthony Cooper is Locke's father (a fact). I guess I don't understand the question. Perhaps what is confusing you is that Anthony Cooper was never in Australia. Sawyer believed him to be and so went, but it was not him. The sentences read properly. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 03:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Article name
Should this page not be at Sawyer (lost) as this is his common name -- Barryob    Vigeur de dessus  23:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should, but look what happened at Noah Bennet which is also a spoiler in itself.~ZytheTalk to me! 12:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

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Spoiler
//shouldn't this page have the spoiling warning on it? Friend of mine just had the plot ruined for them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Horrid conch (talk • contribs) 12:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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What Sawyer whisperled to Kate
Do the additions being made to the article - claiming that when whispering to Kate in the helicopter, Sawyer said something about his daughter in Alabama - sourced? Or just speculation? -- Chuq (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Article name
This article's name is kinda unappropriate. Isn't Sawyer called "Sawyer" by everybody except for Ben, Locke and Kate (sometimes)?! Fans call him Sawyer, the Scripts says "Sawyer", etc. – I mean, Kate is called "Katherine" in the courtroom and by her mother but her article is like "Kate Austen" and not "Katherine "Kate" Austen" and Benjamin Linus is listed as "Ben Linus". See, Christopher Turk from Scrubs is called "Turk" throughout the entire series and his Wikipedia article says "Turk (Scrubs)" of course. Even Bree Hodge from Desperate Housewives who goes by this name for two seasons now has her article still named "Bree Van de Kamp" because it's the more common name. So how about moving "James "Sawyer" Ford" to "Sawyer (Lost)"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.245.225.251 (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Consistency with Sawyer's name
From the beginning of the article, up to the season four section, Sawyer is referred to as 'Sawyer'. From the season four section onwards, he is referred to as 'James'. We should probably be consistent with the naming throughout the article. Btornado (talk) 03:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Flash-Sideways (FS) Sawyer's DOB
Early on in Recon, FS Sawyer is on the phone, asking if an Anthony Cooper was in Alabama in 1976. The folder found by FS Charlotte with a newspaper clipping, and the conversation FS Sawyer has with FS Miles all indicate FS Sawyer was 9 years; old in 1976, putting his birthdate at 1967, rather than 1968 for the Original Sawyer.

Does anyone know whether this is a blooper?--86.145.85.58 (talk) 23:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

PAGE EDITS
I removed -- TV Guide selected him as the 16th greatest television character ever, as well as the 21st greatest hero. because the date said it has been there since 2010, I searched everywhere for a citation and came up empty. If one is found please rollback or undo my edit. --Mactrac (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)