Talk:James A. Baker (born 1821)

Requested move 17 August 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:07, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

– Currently James A. Baker Sr. is a redirect to James A. Baker (born 1857). This is a faulty disambiguation for all of the reasons cited in a previous discussion of a successful move. Please see the move discussion at Talk:James A. Baker (born 1857). A summary of the problem: there are four men within a family succession named James Addison Baker (JAB), though the fourth person of this group is named JAB III, and the third person is named JAB Jr. This fourth person is James Addison Baker III, former cabinet secretary and the primary topic for James Baker. This part is uncontroversial. However, the unorthodox naming leads to confusion about these other JABs, hence the move. Each article explains the naming in lede, and each article has disambiguation hat notes for James Addison Baker. In the last two steps to bring coherence to these articles, James Addison Baker the elder should be moved to James A. Baker (born 1821) per WP:CONSISTENCY with the redirect James A. Baker Sr. pointing to the JAB born in 1821. Sometimes WP:CONSISTENCY has been interpreted writ large, but in this case of a family with non-standard naming practices, it would make sense to interpret WP:CONSISTENCY narrowly; that is, in the naming of the articles for JABs. WP:COMMONNAME is no help since that is Judge James A. Baker, a practice proscribed by MOS:TITLE. Thank you, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * James Addison Baker the elder → James A. Baker (born 1821)
 * James A. Baker Sr. → James A. Baker Sr.
 * Support the rename of this page. I'm not sure what to do with James A. Baker Sr.; perhaps redirect to James Baker (disambiguation)? power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 18:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment. I have removed James A. Baker Sr. → James A. Baker Sr. from the template because (1) it is a redirect, so isn't moved through WP:RM and (2) the requested target is the same as the current title. If the term is ambiguous, I suggest redirecting James A. Baker Sr. to James Addison Baker where both are listed rather than switching from one possible "senior" to another. Dekimasu よ! 19:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I support moving James A. Baker Sr. to James Addison Baker, which points to a disambiguation page for the four men of this family. Would this be a controversial technical move? Oldsanfelipe (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Like I said, it's a redirect, so it's not a move. You can just go in and change the target of the redirect to James Addison Baker. I'll do it now and we can see if anyone cares to revert. Dekimasu よ! 20:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Portrait of (Judge) James A. Baker
I am only aware of one portrait of Baker, and I have seen it published by the TSHA article for Baker Botts:. The photo credit is attributed to the Houston Chronicle, which was established in 1901, fourteen years after Baker's death. Even though old, this photo could be a non-free source. Any ideas about rights for this photo? Oldsanfelipe (talk) 09:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)