Talk:James Bond Theme/Archive 1

Weaselly One sided BS
Dudes, yo, Wikipedia like does NOT allow weaselly words like "it is generally considered" or what-have-you, if you are going to make this statement, you MUST keep it real, yo. Cite it, or bite it. That there makes for a NON-NEUTRAL point of view, this article though it mentions that the goddamn COURTS have upheld the LEGAL AUTHOR's RIGHTS goes on to SUCK to MALE PARTS of the dude who done LOST under the eyes of the COURT OF LAW. That there is NOT a neutral point of view at all, that is the point of view of a SORE LOSER who wants to somehow claim authorship of intellectual property that the COURTS have already made a decision on. I can claim RIGHTS to the THRONE OF ENGLAND but if I don't have a legal leg to stand on and the COURTS have already rejected my claim, then it does NOT in NO WAY belong in an encyclopedia that I, some DUDE on the INTERNET, am possibly KING of ENGLAND. Yo, so like KEEP IT REAL ya'll, don't make these weaselly claims and back the hell up what the hell you say here. Especially if you are going to take sides and especially if you are going to take the side that the court shot down as having NO. FRICKIN. MERIT. Peace. Out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.250.77 (talk) 08:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why did you have to engage in a rant filled with immature slang and all-caps words? You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder. In any case, I don't see where the problem is in the article. This dispute does not exist on the John Barry and Monty Norman articles. No one seems to have a problem with the statements made in this article, other than you. And your problem seems to come from a misreading of what this article actually says. There is no dispute over Norman's authorship of the core elements of theme. The statement that you are disputing concerns the arrangement of the theme, which is different from the theme itself. No one has ever disputed that Barry made memorable arrangements of the theme. Barry's claim of authorship is based on his belief that his arrangement contributed elements without which the theme would not be as recognizable and popular as it is today. This claim is what the courts rejected. This Wikipedia article, however, makes no implications about whether Barry's claim is true or not. It simply states that Barry made a memorable arrangement. --Ydgmdlu (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed. El Greco(talk) 15:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was already moved.

James Bond theme → James Bond Theme — Change to correct track title. The track name "James Bond Theme" is case sensitive according to English rules of grammar. So the "t" in "James Bond theme" has to be capitalised. —Bonding For Today (talk) 23:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Discussion
The track name "James Bond Theme" is case sensitive according to English rules of grammar. So the "t" in "James Bond theme" has to be capitalised. Bonding For Today (talk) 23:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not that simple... James Bond theme could equally be a formal or informal title for the piece, or both. The formal title would be capitalised, the informal not. And as this article actually covers several different pieces of music, it's probably the informal title. The article cites no sources at all, so these are no help. There's even a CD with the title Themes from James Bond Movies (my emphasis), which presumably contains James Bond themes - no capital. According to Amazon, track 12 is James Bond Theme, and rightly capitalised. But is this the formal title of all the pieces of music which are the subject of this article? It seems doubtful. Andrewa (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Tentative oppose I agree with Andrewa that the track name isn't reason enough to rename the article, since there are many different versions of the theme. If it's all considered a single piece of music with that title, then of course things change. I'll change my mind if evidence can be intoduced showing that the theme itself rather than a particular version/recording of it is most often referred to as the "James Bond Theme". Joeldl (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Support It appears to be correct that that is the official title of the piece. The first few references from a search of Google Books  are mostly people writing about it as a topic, and most use a capital letter. On the other hand, a Google Scholar Search  shows that people are much more likely to refer to it generically when mentioning it in passing - also a legitimate choice, since we need to consider what people are most likely to write in linking to the article. On balance, I think accuracy outweighs the linking issue, so I support the move. Joeldl (talk) 10:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, yes, this article is about one particular piece of music, which is the James Bond Theme, written by Monty Norman. The sheet music is here, on sheetmusicplus.com. There are various songs from James Bond listed at Category:James Bond songs; these are the contents of the CD that Andrewa found. But this article is about is one particular tune that is used in all the films. (or perhaps I missed a subtlety in Andrewa's argument?) Sam Staton (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not that subtle... In English, "James Bond Theme" (capital T) has a different meaning to "James Bond theme" (lower case t). So the question is, which of the two is this article about? If it's about this particular piece of music, or even two pieces with the same name (Current article reads A second piece of music called "The James Bond Theme" was written by Monty Norman for use in Dr. No prior to the composition of the more famous piece of music) then yes, it should be capitalised. I'm coming around to that view. Andrewa (talk) 11:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Support — User:Master of Puppets appears to have already moved it; but yes, if this article refers to the "James Bond Theme" as in the one composed by Monty Norman, then its correct place is at James Bond Theme, as is its proper name. EJF (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Controversy over the authorship of the "James Bond Theme"
Where does the information about "the distinctive ostinati, countermelodies, and bridges introduced by Barry that are juxtaposed with Norman's motif in order to flesh out the arrangement" come from? Does it mean these musical parts were composed by John Barry? The guitar line was composed by Monty Norman. Is the author of every other part Barry? Bonding For Today 01:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty much, ye

ah. Stolengood (talk) 05:12, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Go to Youtube and look at the vids of Vic Flick being interviewed. He says Norman gave Barry some oral dum-di-dums. The editor of the film said he wanted something like Barry's Beat Girl (look on Youtube) and there are similarities. The John Barry group figured it all out in his apartment batting the ball around. The guitar was 100% Flicks. Norman's part was zero. His dum-di-dums were totally changed. All Norman did was order a theme and got one. He never composed it at all.

Appearances of the original "James Bond Theme"
It's really obvious that the sources are the James Bond DVDs. I just liked the changes which were undone by El Greco. Bonding For Today 20:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox request
What kind of infobox do you prefer for this article? My suggestions are these two infoboxes:

Bonding For Today 02:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added in the first infobox with some updates to 2016 infobox guidelines. Bonnie (talk) 22:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Beatles - Not!
The article claims, "The 'James Bond Theme' has been used or adapted in a number of non-Bond films including The Beatles' film Help!", but cites no sources. The bit in question is a 16-second instrumental which appears in the movie and at the beginning of the American edition of the album. It is an original Ken Thorne composition which, although intentionally Bond-like, is obviously even on a casual listening quite distinctive from Norman's theme. CNJECulver (talk) 15:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

James Bond Theme
The 1924 movie Sherlock jr. by Buster Keaton has an early version of the James Bond Theme in it. It is clearly heard when Buster makes a clever and speedy escape on the water. Untill now no source has been found that can confirm the movie's score for its inspiration, but the evidence is very clearly heard in the motion picture.
 * The above comment refers to some James Bondesque music that Kino Lorber chose for Sherlock Jr. in their collection The Art of Buster Keaton, released on videocassette in 1995 and on DVD in 2005. It was never part of the original score for the 1924 film which, being a silent film, would have had no synchronized music track in any case. The News Hound 06:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Opening scene
What films had the opening gun barrel scene? This is not clear in the article

Charts?
"This version charted in the top forty for three months reaching number one on 1 November 1962."

On which chart? It didn't top the UK or US (Billboard) charts. CulturalSnow (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)