Talk:James Cameron/Archive 1

Terminator 3
I'd love to see a source on the notion that Cameron had anything to do with Terminator 3. As far as I know he was completely uninvolved.--67.177.28.209 01:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Mars Society
James Cameron is apparently a member of the Mars Society. I do not think it is a relevant enough fact to be included in the opening paragraph, so I'm shifting it further into the article. M0rt 12:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation?
Shouldn't there be a disambiguation page, since there are 3 other James Camerons? Bruxism 08:13, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Film details
I removed some details from the film sections that didn't relate to Cameron specifically. Each film has its own article, so I think only details that help illuminate the character/interests/life of Cameron himself should be in this article. Ashmoo 03:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Jaws Remake
There is a trailer here for a Jaws remake. It says it is directed by James Cameron. Is this true?
 * Wow - that's ambitious. Might settle the question of who's the more talented: Spielberg or Cameron?--Shtove 17:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a fan film. All the scenes are taken from other movies. There are shots from The Perfect Storm, Poseidon, etc. Also, official trailers rarely misspell the word Legend. IrishGuy talk 23:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, the spelling mistake. I need a bigger head.--Shtove 04:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL. It's easy enough to overlook a spelling mistake. I'm sure many people who have watched that trailer completely missed it. IrishGuy talk 20:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Titanic
The article says it is the highest grossing movie of all time without adjusting for inflation. You always have to adjust for inflation and there's hardly ever a reason not to.
 * Not true. Box office gross are never adjusted for inflation. Helltopay27 15:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Spider-Man involvement
On this page, and on Ted Newsom, information about Spider-Man script drafts was added by the user Ted Newsom. Presumably that's the writer in question adding information from his own knowledge of the process, but is there a verifiable online source for this info we can link to? On the Cameron page it says:
 * A screenplay dated 1989 exists with Cameron's name appended to it... but the script was identical to one presented to Columbia Pictures by Golan in 1988

Whereas the Newsom page has:
 * A 1993 draft... available on line, also credits James Cameron, although the text itself is identical to a 1987 draft without Cameron's name

Are both of these correct? Online, I can only find the 1993 draft and a 1985 draft by Newsom and Brancato. The history of this script is a fascinating mess, but we really need some solid, reliable sources.--Nalvage 16:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Note to Nalvage: yes, it's pretty much ALL correct, and it is a fascinating mess. There might be a way to express it simply, but I doubt it. I think there's a link on my page, and probably the "Spider-Man (film)" page, to Michael Hiltzik's LA TIMES article, which is about as comprehensive as any legitimate publication got, but even there, he had to simplify things to make them digestible. The detailed history of the project is on assorted comic sites (Superhereos.com, I think; used to be Spider-Man.com, I think again), but after so much time, it may be archived away.
 * The first writer hired was Leslie Stevens, who did a treatment to Menachem Golan's specifications, unfortunately. To Golan, Spider-Man was a hairy teenage mutant ninja with (literally) eight arms. And understandably suicidal.  Stan Lee and Marvel vetoed te treatment in its entirety and it was shelved.  My partner John Brancato and I had done a script for Marvel on Sgt. Fury, and we pushed Stan to get us a chance at Spider-Man, then at Cannon.  Through him and our agent, we got the chance and wrote the script, in September, 1985.  This draft was then assigned to Barney Cohen to rewrite; his rewrite and polish were turned in in early 1986.  Menachem Golan himself made some minor alterations, using his pen-name "Joseph Goldman."  The film went into pre-production for several months and a lot of money (and great storyboards.)  Cannon began to have financial difficulties, overextending itself (and basically spending the $20 million earmarked for Spider-Man on Superman IV instead), and planned a much smaller version of the film.  Between 1988 and 1989, three writers in succession were hired, each rewriting the previous script(s): Shepard Goldman, Don Michael Paul, and Ethan Wiley.  At this point Golan and Globus split.  Golan established 21st Century" (later, "New Cannon") and kept the rights to Spider-Man.  In the fall of 1989, seeking funding for a big-budget version of the film, he tossed the three low-budget rewrites aside and reverted to the 1986 "Newsom/Brancato/Cohen/Goldman" draft, submitting it to Columbia Pictures.  This draft was, I believe, dated 1989 to make Columbia assume it was the "last" of the successive rewrites, rather than the source of the rewrites.  Columbia OK'd the project in principle but insisted on (again) another rewrite, which was done by Frank LaLoggia.  LaLoggia submitted his lengthy treatment in Novemeber of 1989, and then walked away from the project.  Another writer was hired, Neil Rittenberg, who submitted his draft in January or early February of 1990.  A contract was signed by Columbia and Golan.  Then Carolco (which had continuing distribution agreement with Columbia at any rate) outbid Columbia, and bought the scripts, the rights, and Golan as producer; James Cameron wanted to direct the film. Assorted lititagtion followed, which had nothing to do with the script(s).
 * According to VARIETY (Sept. 1, 1993) James Cameron delivered a screenplay to Carolco the previous week, presumably the last week of August. Probably not coincidentally, a draft began circulating at the time with Cameron's name and others, with misspellings, typos, and juggled name-positions.  This is the so-called 1993 "Cameron script," whose cover page says: “Spider-Man written by Barry Cohen[sic] and Ted Newson[sic] and James Cameron; 2nd Revision by Joseph Goldmari[sic] and James Cameron and John Brancato.”  There are two dates on the screenplay, July 24, 1993 and "Third Revision August 4, 1993."  The juxtaposition of the names would indicate to the casual reader that there had been two teams of writers working with Cameron, one on the first draft, another pair on the second.  However, this was not the case.  In point of fact, this draft is identical to the draft submitted to Columbia in 1989, and to Carlco in 1990, with the addition of Cameron's name to the title page.  (There is a Xerox flaw on the cover page of the 1989 script, which made Golan's pen name "Goldman" appear to be "Goldmari," which was obviously typed on the "Cameron" script typed after the fact; John and I worked together as a team, not separately as indicated on this 1993 cover page, and neither of us ever even met Mr. Cameron.)
 * Subsequently there appeared a 40-some page treatment, also available on line in various places, which is represented solely as Cameron's work. The manuscript itself is undated, but its registration certificate at the Copyright Office gives the "year of creation" as 1994.  When Columbia re-entered the picture and acquired the existing material from MGM, they only requested the "Cameron material," that is, the multi-author 1986/1989/1993 screenplay, and the subsequent 1994 treatment. All this information is part of public record and has appeared in various sites and publications over the years, but the saga is so complex, it has confused any number of people.--Ted Newsom 71.109.239.61 00:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I marked this article due to the significant press release that Cameron will give tomorrow and the storm of controversy that it is sure to generate.--Sludge 01:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Freemasonry membership.
Why is there no mention of his widely reported membership in freemasonry? Yet he is listed in the category "canadian freemasons", which is non existent or deleted. 195.134.69.125 13:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It is currently mentioned, with a link to a ridiculous article as reference. I'm going to delete it. Loafing 22:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Stamford Collegiate
James Cameron attended Stamford Collegiate Secondary School, a highschool here in my hometown of Niagara Falls, Ontario. The school has named it's Theatre after him, the James Cameron Theatre. This should be included in the article. 69.156.176.17 (talk) 04:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Biased?
The "Personal Life" section of this article features a few quotes that put Cameron in a bad light... perhaps some quotes that praise him are necessary in order to make the section a bit more balanced? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.215.233 (talk) 05:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * if nobody minds i might rewrite the Personal Life section to see if it can be make more neutral pov and check some of those references Apple-I-mage (talk) 05:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow... this personal section really only has one purpose to make James Cameron look like a complete Jack-ass. It's so biased that there is no question about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.58.46 (talk) 12:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Ethnicity
Who is James Cameron ethnically? 217.132.88.212 (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He's Canadian, probably of Scottish ancestry based on his last name.  Serendi pod ous  07:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Canadian Jews"? A 12-13-08 edit by the moderator "Dougweller" altered the previous post (which had a slander-tinted claim that Cameron was "anti-Christian")....and said that Cameron was a "Canadian Jew". I've never once heard Cameron nor anybody ever say that Cameron was Jewish, and the only talk he ever gives about his heritage is that he was Scottish. (I did find one site which says he's Protestant, but either way I don't know where Dougweller got this information, and I don't think it's true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CameronFanSite (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't add it, it was added here and when I reverted some vandalism I didn't revert far enough back. Sorry, I've removed the category now, thanks for pointing it out. dougweller (talk) 11:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

This article is atrocious
If we were to strictly adhere to WP:BLP rules, about two thirds of this article would have to be deleted. Much of it is unsourced, and quite a bit of it is pure rumour or legend.  Serendi pod ous  07:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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Background
Can anyone help clarify his educational background? I've read this article and those in the history several times, and am confused by: studying at California State University, film archives at USC, philosophy major from University of Toronto, but 'of his time there' he visited the USC library. I'm unfamiliar with the California system of higher education, but I do know many universities have several campuses across the state. If I'm confused as to which he attended and which he visited, others must be as well. (Comment by LissuTati on Aug 13, 2009)
 * The situation is apparently complicated by a large number of changes of mind:


 * "Enrolling at a nearby college California State University at Fullerton, Cameron decided to study physics, "I liked science and I thought I might want to be a marine biologist or physicist. But I also liked to write, so I was pulled in a lot of different directions. I liked the idea of an ocean, even though I'd never seen or been in one. I loved the idea of being in another world, and anything that could transport me to another world is what I was interested in."


 * He made the grades, yet still realized that science was not a field of interest he wanted to pursue, he switched his major to English, and began studying literature for a while. Later making the decision that either way he would not be happy, he decided to drop out."


 * Note that this sort of omission may just be to simplify a complicated background ... or it might be an effort to pasturize his background. Cal State Fullerton for example, has a college of the arts, but not one specifically for film studies.


 * Piano non troppo (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Over budget?
It's slightly bizarre that being over budget is lumped together with a terrible temper. Of course, they would both make him difficult to work with, but being over budget on a movie ... it's a work of art. As long as it makes money, the budget concerns seem more like a difference of opinion between those underwriting the movie and the director. And that's a perpetual tension. Piano non troppo (talk) 05:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Net Worth?
So, is James Cameron worth $16 billion? this needs a source, and sounds doubtful.Person man345 (talk) 19:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Name
So, is there a Bacon in there? If it was incorrectly inserted into Wikipedia at some point, it has been a remarkably well spread error (or piece of vandalism). TastyCakes (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no Bacon--not even any eggs. The whole thing struck me as vandalism from the very beginning; I've been a fan of Cameron's for years, and never had I seen the name "Bacon" in his bios. The source I provided, which contains an essay by Cameron, identifies him as "James Francis Cameron" (p. 42). The "sources" that appear on a Google search for "James Francis Bacon Cameron" are just mirror sites that reflect the vandalized version of this article. Notice how they all start out the same way as each other, which also happens to be the way this article (now minus the "Bacon") starts out. But even if my source and I were completely wrong, it wouldn't matter unless the editor who adds the new information can back up their WP:BLP addition with a (more) reliable source. Cosmic Latte (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, absent any source saying otherwise I agree the Bacon should be excluded. TastyCakes (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Canadian American?
Cameron has lived in the U.S. since about the age of 16, so shouldn't the intro paragraph indicate that he is a "Canadian American" or a "Canadian born American"? This approach would follow more in line with many other articles on people such as Dan Aykroyd, Fareed Zakaria, Rupert Murdoch, etc. --Jleon (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm not sure that's entirely clear... It looks like his family moved to California when he was 17, and then he went to university there briefly before going to the University of Toronto in 1973 at the age of about 19.  A typical degree is 4 years, but it says he dropped out, although it's not clear if it means from the University of California or the University of Toronto.  It also doesn't say where he was a truck driver "after dropping out".  So I think from the article it's altogether unclear at what age he moved permanently to the US.  More to the point, however, I think the main factor on labeling him a "Canadian-American" would be him becoming a naturalized American, that is getting American citizenship.  I haven't seen anywhere in this article or elsewhere that he's done so, so I think it's inappropriate to label him Canadian-American...  I haven't checked, but i think most of the other Canadian Americans will have American citizenship, not just have lived in the US for a long time. TastyCakes (talk) 21:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

female characters
the article mentions that he has a recurring theme of strong female characters. this might be true but ellen ripley should not be included as he did not create that character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.114.83 (talk) 17:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

How come there's nothing about him finding the bones of Jesus & Mary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.143.62 (talk) 15:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

"were unwilling to let a first-time director make the movie"
He directed Piranha 2. Does first-time director mean he's directed one movie, or Terminator would be his first. It's not clear. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Xenogenesis
Tonight on the Jay Leno Show, Cameron mentioned this film. The article states he filmed in 35mm; Cameron stated that it was 16mm. This makes more sense as well, as 16mm would have had a lower cost. 69.221.165.95 (talk) 03:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Was going to note the same thing. There is no source for the current information about Xenogenesis to begin with. RoyBatty42 (talk) 18:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Recent 'Death' spoof
Note, IP: 76.78.180.85 originates from ISP: UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, Domain: APOGEETELECOM.COM, ref. . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.137.230 (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Sanctum (2010)
John Garvin, the scriptwriter (who doesn't have a page), is incorrectly linked to the Alamo defenders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.78.182.12 (talk) 23:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The above error remains uncorrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexysexy (talk • contribs) 02:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

The above error continues uncorrected - I would correct it, but it appears my edit capability has been withdrawn. Lexysexy (talk) 10:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅. Mushroom (Talk) 10:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

"Highest grossing"
This claim is misleading. In real dollars -- that is, adjusted for inflation -- neither film is the highest grossing film of all time. See: http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicmart (talk • contribs) 21:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah the simplest way to fix that is to add "in nominal dollars" as the current article takes a point of view as to what constitutes highest grossing films of all-time. In real dollars, neither one is close to being the top grossing film of all-time, and some would take issue with the current phrasing (as you did and as I did).  I edited those 3 words in, but it was edited out.  I'm going to put them back in, and refer here for discussion as to whether it should be kept or deleted. Arkane2 (talk) 22:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, the phrasing is poor. The films were not "made in nominal dollars". Unless, of course, "nominal dollars" is a suburb of Los Angeles or of some other city that the films were made in. What you mean, I hope, is something more along the lines of "in terms of nominal dollars". Or, if one really wants to be unambiguous, "the two films that individually have grossed more nominal dollars than any other film". And the more pedantically you word it, the more transparent the main problem gets: It's too much detail for the lead. If, say, a reliable source is content A) to introduce one of these films as "history’s highest-grossing film", and B) to mention inflation afterwards--and, even then, only in regards to the other film, then we surely cannot find it too surprising if the reader of this article is not going to be overly concerned with economic parentheticals--unless they're excited enough about the material that they're willing to read considerably beyond the lead. But, for the casual yet analytical reader, this article could follow the spirit of List of highest-grossing films, which directs inflation-interested readers to a WP:SPINOFF page, and simply add a footnote about inflation to the lead. Fair compromise? Cosmic Latte (talk) 13:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The phrasing is awkward on reflection, you're right. Should be changed ASAP.  Perhaps in parentheses would make more sense.  I do not think, however, it is too much information as its a minor note (3 words) and rightfully clarifies a statement as to whether a film that is far far behind Gone with the Wind in real dollar box office can be called the "top-grossing movie of all time" by virtue of disregarding inflation.  The problem is that the POV espoused in the article is an economic myth perpetuated by the studios for purposes of setting records.  It would not be in their best interest to talk about movie grosses in real dollars, because the chance that any film will outgross Gone with the Wind is minuscule.  See, for instance, this article in the FT I recognize that Titanic is considered to be the "top grossing movie of all-time" by many, many people.  That's fine.  There are also those who view Gone with the Wind as the "top grossing movie of all-time."  That's also fine.  But bear in mind that there is no arbiter of box office grosses, so there is no answer as to which is "true" or even "more true."  I definitely don't think Wiki is the place to settle the debate.  So, I definitely DISAGREE with your statement that it isn't a matter of NPOV.  If you think the term "nominal dollars" is too heady (i.e. not casual), you could also use "constant dollars." How about this as a proposed solution (I'm actually also going to clean up the section as its not organized logically...need to correct some tense issues, and take out redundancies):

James Francis Cameron[1] (born August 16, 1954) is a Canadian film director, producer, screenwriter, editor, and inventor.[2][3] His writing and directing work includes The Terminator (1984), Aliens (1986), The Abyss (1989), Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), True Lies (1994), Titanic (1997), and Avatar (2009). Between making Titanic (1997) and his return to feature films with Avatar (2009), Cameron spent some years creating documentary films, and also co-developing the digital 3-D Fusion Camera System.

In total, Cameron's directorial efforts have grossed approximately US$1.69 billion in North America and US$4.85 billion worldwide. In constant US dollars, Avatar and Titanic hold the records as the two highest- grossing films ever made.

Described by a biographer as part-scientist and part-artist,[4] Cameron has also contributed to underwater filming and remote vehicle technologies.[2][3][5]

Arkane2 (talk) 17:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well worldwide it's NOT "far far behind" GWTW (if behind at all) because BOM adjusted gross for GWTW is clearly a wild guesstimate (disregarding proper year-by-year adjustment) - recently debunked by BOM users themselves: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/viewtopic.htm?t=82668 207.191.229.196 (talk) 08:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. I found this edit summary to be somewhat strained. This isn't really a matter of "NPOV", because film earnings are not a matter of opinion. Nobody is saying that the inflation-adjusted figures are, or even could be, less valid that the unadjusted ones. The thing is--if we really want to bring WP:NPOV into this--that unadjusted figures are presented prominently in the sources; the sources assume A) that the average reader probably isn't going to be extremely interested in inflation; and, probably, B) that the atypical reader, who has such an interest, has enough intelligence to match that interest and, therefore, to do some more research. Essentially, the idea is to keep the lead as nice and neat as possible. And, while a reference to a footnote might add a speck of clutter, it certainly wouldn't force the reader of a bio article into a distracting contemplation of the fluctuations in the world's economies. Cosmic Latte (talk) 13:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

[outdent] I see what you mean about NPOV now, and I'm fine with the version that you suggested. I'd just make one small adjustment: I'd simply wikilink "constant dollars", as many readers may need to do a bit more reading in order to understand the term fully. Cosmic Latte (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems that "Constant Dollars" (at least from the link) is the same as "Dollars adjusted for inflation". Listing the 6th/21st highest grossing (or so - adjusted) as the first/second is incredibly inaccurate. Why not just use what the studio propaganda states "Highest grossing" and leave it at that, with a footnote for those that want technical accuracy. Most of the issues in determining gross is due to re-releases in subsequent years. Dcorrin (talk) 18:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like "nominal dollars" is the most accurate term, and it could be pipelinked to Real versus nominal value (economics). But I'll note that the consensus for Avatar (2009 film) was to keep the lead short and sweet, and only later in the article get into details about inflation. So, basically, it looks like there are three options: 1) do the same for the James Cameron article as was done for the Avatar (2009 film) article, i.e., save inflation issues for later; 2) phrase it as follows: "In nominal US dollars, Cameron's Avatar and Titanic are the two highest-grossing films ever made" ; or 3) omit the "In nominal dollars" clause and use a footnote to explain it. Personally, I'm fine with any of these options; I just figured I'd try to enumerate them. Cosmic Latte (talk) 19:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Dcorrin on this. This is also being stricken down on the Avatar talk page as well. DrNegative (talk) 01:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

[Redacted section heading]
[Redacted allegations, removed as per WP:BLP.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.55.55 (talk) 02:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably you should check this article first - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism 91.121.139.161 (talk) 08:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Citation #30
The citation number 30, regarding the movie Polar Express is not relevant. Not once in the interview does the phrase "Polar Express" come up, so I believe that this statement strongly requires a citation needed tag. 216.37.131.98 (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Chippawa
Changed the entry as it indicated Chippawa as an actual city. Chippawa was merged with Niagara Falls, Ontario twenty years ago and is merely a township now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.48.152 (talk) 21:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It didn't indicate Chippawa as an actual city; it simply used it as the name of the place he grew up. Cameron was born in 1954; his family moved to California in 1971. According to the separate article it still has on WP, Chippawa consolidated into Niagara Falls in 1970, by which time he was 16 years old and had pretty much "grown up". It is historically accurate to say he grew up in Chippawa; it is not historically accurate to say he grew up in a part of Niagara Falls. Reverted. Fat&amp;Happy (talk) 22:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Razzie
Shouldn't there be a mention of his Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Screenplay in the awards section? - 24.245.111.180 (talk) 01:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC) You just can't mention everything, and as amusing as the Golden Raspberry is, it is hardly significant. Gingermint (talk) 05:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Myth making
The article includes the unsourced assertion: "To understand how to operate the camera, they dismantled it and spent the first half-day of the shoot trying to figure out how to get it running."

This sounds to me like alcohol-enhanced, myth-making reminiscing from someone not especially attached to objective facts. I don't doubt that there is some nub of truth in it, but it is absurd as a literal account of the startup of a movie shoot, any movie. So maybe something about the camera didn't seem to be doing what they thought it should; maybe somebody pulled off a cover, perhaps thinking something was jammed; maybe one thing led to another and some guys fumbled around with a camera wasting the first half day. It would be hard for me to imagine that Cameron's actual part in this episode would have been anything more than swearing furiously at the goofs who were ineptly wasting all this time. But it really is not stated what Cameron's actual role was (or who told this tale). The way it is presented, these movie makers were heroic Walter Mittys who did everything by the seat of their pants guided by shear genius. It sounds like some of Cameron's dialog.Ed-Claude (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Sanctum (2010)
John Garvin, the scriptwriter (who doesn't have a page), is incorrectly linked to the Alamo defenders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.78.182.12 (talk) 23:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The above error remains uncorrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexysexy (talk • contribs) 02:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

The above error continues uncorrected - I would correct it, but it appears my edit capability has been withdrawn. Lexysexy (talk) 10:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅. Mushroom (Talk) 10:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

"Highest grossing"
This claim is misleading. In real dollars -- that is, adjusted for inflation -- neither film is the highest grossing film of all time. See: http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicmart (talk • contribs) 21:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah the simplest way to fix that is to add "in nominal dollars" as the current article takes a point of view as to what constitutes highest grossing films of all-time. In real dollars, neither one is close to being the top grossing film of all-time, and some would take issue with the current phrasing (as you did and as I did).  I edited those 3 words in, but it was edited out.  I'm going to put them back in, and refer here for discussion as to whether it should be kept or deleted. Arkane2 (talk) 22:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, the phrasing is poor. The films were not "made in nominal dollars". Unless, of course, "nominal dollars" is a suburb of Los Angeles or of some other city that the films were made in. What you mean, I hope, is something more along the lines of "in terms of nominal dollars". Or, if one really wants to be unambiguous, "the two films that individually have grossed more nominal dollars than any other film". And the more pedantically you word it, the more transparent the main problem gets: It's too much detail for the lead. If, say, a reliable source is content A) to introduce one of these films as "history’s highest-grossing film", and B) to mention inflation afterwards--and, even then, only in regards to the other film, then we surely cannot find it too surprising if the reader of this article is not going to be overly concerned with economic parentheticals--unless they're excited enough about the material that they're willing to read considerably beyond the lead. But, for the casual yet analytical reader, this article could follow the spirit of List of highest-grossing films, which directs inflation-interested readers to a WP:SPINOFF page, and simply add a footnote about inflation to the lead. Fair compromise? Cosmic Latte (talk) 13:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The phrasing is awkward on reflection, you're right. Should be changed ASAP.  Perhaps in parentheses would make more sense.  I do not think, however, it is too much information as its a minor note (3 words) and rightfully clarifies a statement as to whether a film that is far far behind Gone with the Wind in real dollar box office can be called the "top-grossing movie of all time" by virtue of disregarding inflation.  The problem is that the POV espoused in the article is an economic myth perpetuated by the studios for purposes of setting records.  It would not be in their best interest to talk about movie grosses in real dollars, because the chance that any film will outgross Gone with the Wind is minuscule.  See, for instance, this article in the FT I recognize that Titanic is considered to be the "top grossing movie of all-time" by many, many people.  That's fine.  There are also those who view Gone with the Wind as the "top grossing movie of all-time."  That's also fine.  But bear in mind that there is no arbiter of box office grosses, so there is no answer as to which is "true" or even "more true."  I definitely don't think Wiki is the place to settle the debate.  So, I definitely DISAGREE with your statement that it isn't a matter of NPOV.  If you think the term "nominal dollars" is too heady (i.e. not casual), you could also use "constant dollars." How about this as a proposed solution (I'm actually also going to clean up the section as its not organized logically...need to correct some tense issues, and take out redundancies):

James Francis Cameron[1] (born August 16, 1954) is a Canadian film director, producer, screenwriter, editor, and inventor.[2][3] His writing and directing work includes The Terminator (1984), Aliens (1986), The Abyss (1989), Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991), True Lies (1994), Titanic (1997), and Avatar (2009). Between making Titanic (1997) and his return to feature films with Avatar (2009), Cameron spent some years creating documentary films, and also co-developing the digital 3-D Fusion Camera System.

In total, Cameron's directorial efforts have grossed approximately US$1.69 billion in North America and US$4.85 billion worldwide. In constant US dollars, Avatar and Titanic hold the records as the two highest- grossing films ever made.

Described by a biographer as part-scientist and part-artist,[4] Cameron has also contributed to underwater filming and remote vehicle technologies.[2][3][5]

Arkane2 (talk) 17:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well worldwide it's NOT "far far behind" GWTW (if behind at all) because BOM adjusted gross for GWTW is clearly a wild guesstimate (disregarding proper year-by-year adjustment) - recently debunked by BOM users themselves: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/viewtopic.htm?t=82668 207.191.229.196 (talk) 08:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. I found this edit summary to be somewhat strained. This isn't really a matter of "NPOV", because film earnings are not a matter of opinion. Nobody is saying that the inflation-adjusted figures are, or even could be, less valid that the unadjusted ones. The thing is--if we really want to bring WP:NPOV into this--that unadjusted figures are presented prominently in the sources; the sources assume A) that the average reader probably isn't going to be extremely interested in inflation; and, probably, B) that the atypical reader, who has such an interest, has enough intelligence to match that interest and, therefore, to do some more research. Essentially, the idea is to keep the lead as nice and neat as possible. And, while a reference to a footnote might add a speck of clutter, it certainly wouldn't force the reader of a bio article into a distracting contemplation of the fluctuations in the world's economies. Cosmic Latte (talk) 13:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

[outdent] I see what you mean about NPOV now, and I'm fine with the version that you suggested. I'd just make one small adjustment: I'd simply wikilink "constant dollars", as many readers may need to do a bit more reading in order to understand the term fully. Cosmic Latte (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems that "Constant Dollars" (at least from the link) is the same as "Dollars adjusted for inflation". Listing the 6th/21st highest grossing (or so - adjusted) as the first/second is incredibly inaccurate. Why not just use what the studio propaganda states "Highest grossing" and leave it at that, with a footnote for those that want technical accuracy. Most of the issues in determining gross is due to re-releases in subsequent years. Dcorrin (talk) 18:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like "nominal dollars" is the most accurate term, and it could be pipelinked to Real versus nominal value (economics). But I'll note that the consensus for Avatar (2009 film) was to keep the lead short and sweet, and only later in the article get into details about inflation. So, basically, it looks like there are three options: 1) do the same for the James Cameron article as was done for the Avatar (2009 film) article, i.e., save inflation issues for later; 2) phrase it as follows: "In nominal US dollars, Cameron's Avatar and Titanic are the two highest-grossing films ever made" ; or 3) omit the "In nominal dollars" clause and use a footnote to explain it. Personally, I'm fine with any of these options; I just figured I'd try to enumerate them. Cosmic Latte (talk) 19:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Dcorrin on this. This is also being stricken down on the Avatar talk page as well. DrNegative (talk) 01:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

[Redacted section heading]
[Redacted allegations, removed as per WP:BLP.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.55.55 (talk) 02:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably you should check this article first - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism 91.121.139.161 (talk) 08:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Citation #30
The citation number 30, regarding the movie Polar Express is not relevant. Not once in the interview does the phrase "Polar Express" come up, so I believe that this statement strongly requires a citation needed tag. 216.37.131.98 (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Chippawa
Changed the entry as it indicated Chippawa as an actual city. Chippawa was merged with Niagara Falls, Ontario twenty years ago and is merely a township now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.48.152 (talk) 21:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It didn't indicate Chippawa as an actual city; it simply used it as the name of the place he grew up. Cameron was born in 1954; his family moved to California in 1971. According to the separate article it still has on WP, Chippawa consolidated into Niagara Falls in 1970, by which time he was 16 years old and had pretty much "grown up". It is historically accurate to say he grew up in Chippawa; it is not historically accurate to say he grew up in a part of Niagara Falls. Reverted. Fat&amp;Happy (talk) 22:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Razzie
Shouldn't there be a mention of his Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Screenplay in the awards section? - 24.245.111.180 (talk) 01:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Myth making
The article includes the unsourced assertion: "To understand how to operate the camera, they dismantled it and spent the first half-day of the shoot trying to figure out how to get it running."

This sounds to me like alcohol-enhanced, myth-making reminiscing from someone not especially attached to objective facts. I don't doubt that there is some nub of truth in it, but it is absurd as a literal account of the startup of a movie shoot, any movie. So maybe something about the camera didn't seem to be doing what they thought it should; maybe somebody pulled off a cover, perhaps thinking something was jammed; maybe one thing led to another and some guys fumbled around with a camera wasting the first half day. It would be hard for me to imagine that Cameron's actual part in this episode would have been anything more than swearing furiously at the goofs who were ineptly wasting all this time. But it really is not stated what Cameron's actual role was (or who told this tale). The way it is presented, these movie makers were heroic Walter Mittys who did everything by the seat of their pants guided by shear genius. It sounds like some of Cameron's dialog.Ed-Claude (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

American Citizen?
I read on many other websites he moved here in 1971 and lived here ever since so isnt he an American citizen and if all this is true why is it not in here?
 * Living here doesn't automatically make one an American citizen. According to an article in The New Yorker, "He revoked his application for American citizenship after Bush won the election in 2004." Fat&amp;Happy (talk) 14:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Lost sections in Discussion page
I wanted to refer back to some of the earlier discussion I had. But I see that it's no longer there. Checked the Archived pages as well. After going thr' the history, I see that following entry has made some strange changes resulting in loss of some sections. I'm not sure how we can recover those sections. Can someone with expertize in this, please revive those lost sections. -Abhishikt 23:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

(cur | prev) 17:10, 26 February 2011 Ed-Claude(talk | contribs) (14,947 bytes) (Revert massive alteration to talk page, much of it without any justification at all and attempting to suppress not only comments in the final page but even questions and issues in talk) (undo)

Marriages
There appears to be some confusion in the first para of Personal Life. If Linda was Cameron's wife in 1997, who is Catherine?Lexysexy (talk) 23:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I've found the vandal input on 10 September.Lexysexy (talk) 01:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Cameron's Atheism and WP:BLPCAT policy
I removed the assertion that Cameron is an atheist per WP:BLPCAT policy.

This is not a matter of opinion but of policy though I know wikipedia also frowns on editors slandering others.

--CatholicW (talk) 06:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Below is the extract from the discussion thread on this topic:


 * The source http://io9.com/5433164/the-epic-movie+making-adventures-of-james-cameron reads:
 * "And he's an atheist, who decided agnosticism was "cowardly atheism." When the other kids read the Lord's Prayer in school, Cameron decided it was a "tribal chant" and decided not to do it".


 * There are other sources like http://www.zimbio.com/James+Cameron/articles/ljXjsh_HK5F/Famous+Non+Believers+006+James+Cameron, http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/James_Cameron, which confirm that James Cameron is an atheist.


 * Also the quote from his biography "The Futurist" by Rebecca Meegan (Chapter 1 Page 8 Hardcover edition) says:


 * "I've sworn off agnosticism, which I now call cowardly atheism. I've come to the position that in the complete absence of any supporting data whatsover for the persistence of the individual in some spiritual form, it is necessary to operate under the provisional conclusion that there is no afterlife and then be ready to amend that if I find out otherwise."


 * I don't see a reason in questioning reliability of the biography. This biography is much mentioned in media and over internet. If there was anything contraversial written in the biography, there would have many objection/critisms raised by number of people including James Cameron.


 * So even if we don't consider other websites/blogs claiming him as atheist, I think the quote from his biography is more than sufficient to say that he is an atheist. -Abhishikt 16:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

www.zimbio.com?

Not even a quote?

And I find it odd that you are unwilling to provide a link for "The Futurist".

provide one and we'll talk more. --CatholicW (talk) 02:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I apologize for not reading the WP:BLPCAT policy earlier. But your earlier reverts with no-reasons made me think that it was random reason. Trust me that, that particular line gets vandalised every few days. After reading the policy, now it is clear to me what is your objection, so I have not reverted the changes you have done. Let's discuss this.


 * BTW the link for the "The Futurist" has been there as one of the main reference for James being atheist. Below is the link for your convenience. Read Chapter 1 Page 8. -Abhishikt 16:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * http://books.google.com/books?id=nTIHmEmXe_IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Futurist&hl=en&ei=-KqxTZSVIYWcsQOX5dn_Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false


 * Don't feel too Abhishikt bad, the internet is a strange place where people late at night see the phrase "converted agnostic" and the next day think they read "atheist" and never double check.

Besides no ones perfect.

--CatholicW (talk) 04:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The Chapter 1 page 8 clearly reads that before he was agnostic and then he 'converted' from his agnosticism because he thought it was just cowardly atheism. That means he converted to atheism. There is alternate meaning to this. There are many references to confirm this.


 * And this page 8, also writes about "Cameron described the Lord's Prayer as being a 'tribal chant'". There is no dispute about that. -Abhishikt 03:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The phrase "converted agnostic" appears independently from the rest of the quote.

It's not very clear what its meant by the phrase. --CatholicW (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

If anyone has any objections please raise them now or the matter is settled. --CatholicW (talk) 05:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I object to your assertion that calling someone an atheist is slander. That said, we need a solid source for this. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 16:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

If I recall correctly not four years ago a US Senator's campaign thought it was ok to call the person running against their boss an atheist. There was much talk of a lawsuit. FTR like you said there is no solid proof so if there are no more objections the matter is settled--CatholicW (talk) 20:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is settled until reliable sources re his belief or lack of belief in a little old man in the sky surfaces. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 01:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Future Death
The infobox says Mr. Cameron is going to die on Nov 11, 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.68.184 (talk) 23:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

is so important please
please Mr Cameron i had a story i think it will interested for u so if u want to can u send me u'r agreed in my e-mail this it a-_-no_or-_-a@hotmail.fr and thank u for all :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.214.210.43 (talk) 12:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Origin of The Terminator
The suggestion that Cameron "had a dream" about the Terminator is up for dispute; Harlan Ellison claims that Terminator was based on "Demon with a Glass Hand".

From the Harlan Ellison wiki page: "Ellison claimed that James Cameron's film The Terminator drew from material from Ellison's "Soldier"[29] and "Demon with a Glass Hand"[30] episodes of The Outer Limits. Hemdale, the production company and the distributor Orion Pictures, settled out of court for an undisclosed sum, "acknowledging" the work of Ellison at the end of the film.[31]"

Also see http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.27.06/cult-0639.html:

"We know that such wholesale theft goes on because sometimes people just flat-out admit to it. One of the most famous examples of that came after James Cameron finished The Terminator. According to Marc Shapiro's biography of the director, a visiting journalist asked where he had gotten the idea for it, and Cameron said, "Oh, I ripped off a couple of Harlan Ellison stories." Shapiro also quotes Ellison as saying he found the "smoking gun" in a Starlog article in which Cameron was quoted as saying he got the idea for The Terminator from "a couple of Outer Limits segments." The episodes in question had both been written by Ellison. He sued and received a settlement of $400,000, along with a story credit on all theatrical and home-video prints of the film."

98.234.232.4 (talk) 00:59, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Avatar
The last two sentences in this section regarding criticism of the film seem unnecessary and tacked on. This should be improved and given context within the rest of the section. If no one has done anything with it in a week, I'll just remove it. Xaphnir (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Collaborations
Should Linda Hamilton and Earl Boen really count as actors that Cameron has cast more than once, since they were reprising a role? Billy Shears (talk) 02:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Notable Works: The Abyss?
I see in the page history that somebody keeps removing The Abyss from the list of notable work(s), citing that it should not be incluced because it made a loss, but not explaining how making a loss disqualifies it from inclusion. Notability does not necessarily require profit, does it? Moreover, I do not see any evidence that The Abyss even made a loss in the first place. Please discuss. ChibiKareshi (talk) 13:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Collaborations
I noticed that the Avatar sequels and their actors have been removed from the Collaborations section, which makes sense to me. However, shouldn't Earl Boen be removed as well, by the same logic? His only collaborations were in two Terminator movies, reprising the very same character, whereas all the other actors listed have appeared in unrelated works of Cameron as well. ChibiKareshi (talk) 13:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Painter?
In the infobox his occupations are said to include "Painter", but I can't see any source for this, or mention of it in the article. Danrok (talk) 02:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Collaberators
i noticed that Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana are listed as frequent collaberators, but in my opinion, they arent since they only collabeated on a franchise instead of unrelated works.Please discuss. 71.191.233.2 (talk) 04:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Those two aren't mentioned in prose and there is nothing misleading about the table in that respect. (It doesn't have a title bar such as "Actors hired frequently by Cameron".)
 * The table preface now says "consistently worked with" five of those listed, not including these two. That seems too strong to me, especially for Schwarzenegger with only three works listed, only two unrelated. But the preface does not say that its columns cover all of Cameron's works so it seems the table can support only a positive, not a negative.
 * Since the table is not ordered by surname (alphabetical) I think it should be ordered by time (lexicographical by column content). For that, move Biehn above Paxton; Schwarzenegger above Hamilton; Weaver above Saldana.
 * Either the text of footnote 1 or the placement of superscript 1 in the first row should clarify Wisher's role. Something like "Wisher Jr. worked as an actor in these films, and as a writer on 20 of Cameron's 30 films from the time they were schoolmates" (fictitious illustration). --P64 (talk) 16:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Makes No Sense
The "Early Career" section says the same contradictory thing, twice. Here's what it currently says...


 * "On location, production slowed due to numerous problems and adverse weather. James Cameron was fired after failing to get a close up of Carole Davis in her opening scene. Ovidio ordered Cameron to do the close-up the next day before he started on that day’s shooting. Cameron spent the entire day sailing around the resort to reproduce the lighting but still failed to get the close-up. After he was fired, Ovidio invited Cameron to stay on location and assist in the shooting."

If he was fired, why did he work the next day? And why does it say the same contradictory thing twice, but in slightly different ways? Needs to (at least) explain how someone can be fired and then continue working on the same job. Without an explanation, it makes no sense. 23.114.218.52 (talk) 00:15, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Titanic's Big Challenge
I got a very nice fantastic story that i wish James Cameron would make out afilm from it.i can assure its gonna be his next big thing.The story itself is a true story and i witnessed it myself and surely its a story full of inspiration and lessons we humans can benefit from.the thing is i just need help to cantact him and probably share it.this is gonna be huge guys.pleas help me out contact him or his officials — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahikenya (talk • contribs) 06:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Reputation - Citation
Under the point Reputation, while referring to Cameron's part on Southpark [citation needed] is mentioned. Probably this link of the Episode (S16E09) (of SP's official Streaming Site) would do the work?

http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s16e09-raising-the-bar#source=57baee9c-b611-4260-958b-05315479a7fc:dc5c66e0-4a7c-4e74-8ef0-dff684353b8e&position=9&sort=!airdate

[don't know how to change citation, that's why I'm just posting it here] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.21.166 (talk) 23:33, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

insurance
Any info on medical procedures done to these people for insurance purposes? any medical malpractice cases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.157.227 (talk) 02:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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High School?
I see conflicting sources -- even in this wikipedia article -- where he went to high school. The sidebar says Brea Olinda, but the main article says he dropped out of Lutheran High School and attended Troy. No source for any of it, and Googling is of little assistance. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.197.224 (talk) 17:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Sophia Stewart, evident creator of "The Terminator" and "The Matrix"
I'm sorry in advance if I'm not following Wikipedia's protocol or something. I never really participate here, I just want to get this on here for those of you that care about this article to get set on the trail of verification because it's kind of mind-blowing. Then again, I should stop being surprised at these things...

Sophia Stewart is a woman who won a court case against several entities including James Cameron for stealing her copyrighted work which directly became the Terminator movies. And apparently the events of The Terminator take place before the events of The Matrix: they are part of the same story. (The Matrix was stolen as well.)

I don't have the time, but I think this should be really looked into considering the cultural importance of the work and the status of James Cameron as a highly significant artist for whose career this work has been very affecting. Please search "PROJECT CAMELOT: THE REAL AUTHOR OF THE MATRIX - SOPHIA STEWART" on youtube or use this link to go to that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZCSnNZR_hA      The description of the video is also helpful. I'm sending you there and not somewhere else because that's all I've read and heard for now.

And just by the way, I remember finding some obscure comic book that was extremely similar to Avatar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.33.91 (talk) 06:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Planet of the Apes
I strongly suggest to remove this from the list of major movies made by Cameron. Macaldo (talk) 08:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC) I have moved it to Planned films. Macaldo (talk) 08:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2016
Following this sentence " Cameron lives in New Zealand, a country he fell in love with when he was filming Avatar.[72]" in the 'Personal Life' section. Please include the following sentence: He recently partnered with Tourism New Zealand to produce a small collection of videos that express why he feels so passionately about the country.

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Requested move 31 August 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Per WP:SNOW and previous block of this IP address, I think it's reasonable to close this now. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

- There is no primary topic. 31.52.4.146 (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * James Cameron → James Cameron (filmmaker)
 * James Cameron (disambiguation) → James Cameron
 * Oppose. No rationale provided, and he's definitely the primary topic. Everyone knows who James Cameron is. Yet another bad IP RM nomination. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:29, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose The IP troll is back.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


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5 ex wives?
Obviously this guy has issues if he has been divorced 5 times. These kind of people take marriage as a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.19.224 (talk) 03:25, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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Seeking information about Cameron's religious beliefs
The Talpiot Tomb is sometimes cited by those who wish to cast doubt on the resurrection of Jesus. It is possible that Cameron's involvement with The Lost Tomb of Jesus indicates that he is part of that camp. Would like more solid information that supports or refutes this possibility. 75.163.213.216 (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2016
Cameron drew inspiration for the Aliens story from the Vietnam War, a situation in which a technologically superior force was mired in a hostile foreign environment: "Their training and technology are inappropriate for the specifics, and that can be seen as analogous to the inability of superior American firepower to conquer the unseen enemy in Vietnam: a lot of firepower and very little wisdom, and it didn't work Fathani (talk) 08:55, 18 December 2016 (UTC) More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Release dates of new Avatar films
Not sure how to edit this in and cite properly, but here's a source for a 2020 release of Avatar 2: http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/avatar/264051/avatar-2-3-4-and-5-release-dates-officially-confirmed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.180.240 (talk) 15:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Terminator Franchise & Linda Hamilton
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Star Wars Dezember 2017
Laut den Zahlen des deutschen Wikipediaartikel https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bev%C3%B6lkerungsentwicklung leben derzeit auf der Erde im Alter bis zu 11 Jahren von 801.11 Millionen Kinder (((47,1+60,6+76,0+82,9+84,2+77,3+81,7)/7)*11=801.114285714) bis 1,2 Milliarden Kinder. Der Star Wars Film Star Wars The Last Jedi von Walt Disney (Founder Walt Disney) ist auch unter 11 Jahren frei im Kino (1,2 Milliarden Kinder). Es gibt weltweit in zehntausenden von Kino in 196 Nationalstaaten mindestens 5000 verschiedene Kinofilme (Varianten) des Kinofilms Star Wars The Last Jedi. Das hängt unteren anderem ab von der entsprechenden Kinofilmtechnik (2D 2D Atmos 3D real, 3D IMax). Der empfohlende Kinopreis ist bei diesen 1,2 Milliarden Kindern auf der Erde zwischen 2 und 5 Dollar (Star Wars The Last Jedi). 192.121.232.253 (talk) 09:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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Incomplete information about Cameron's documentaries
The main entrance talks about documentaries, only until 2012, but James Cameron has been producing until 2017. The last documentary he has produced (and where he also appears) has been Atlantis Rising. I recommend that you add this section with the text that I put below, or improve, of course, and by the way, modify the date frame of your documentaries until 2017. Best wishes, --Verogarc (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

'''In 2016 James Cameron executive produces his first documentary about Atlantis. The documentary was shot in several places in the Mediterranean (Greece, Sardinia, Malta, Santorini), Spain (Cádiz, Huelva, Sevilla, Jaén, Ciudad Real, Badajoz, and other undersea places in the Gulf of Cádiz) and the Azores. With the title of 'Atlantis Rising' premiered on January 29, 2017 on National Geographic Channel (USA) and National Geographic Spain as "El Resurgir de la Atlántida" on March 5, 2017. '''

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2018
Bullet729 (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2018 (UTC) James Cameron
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2018
Bullet729 (talk) 03:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC) James Cameron was born in 16th August, 1954
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2018
James Francis Cameron was born on 16th august, 1954 Bullet729 (talk) 03:55, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2019
I recently found this page and was interested whether or not here the James Cameron Co-Career can be found. He worked with the new movie "Alita (Battle Angel)" and I thought it would be informative to add this to the page. Anatoly003 (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Alita: Battle Angel and Cameron's contributions to it are already extensively discussed in the article. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 17:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2019
Can we remove the categories "American billionaires" and "New Zealand people of Canadian descent" please? Because he is not American or New Zealand. 89.240.14.140 (talk) 11:54, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - a boat   that can float!  <small style="color: purple">(watch me float)  17:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup - 20th October
I've taken inspiration from other directors and Featured/Good Articles to restructure this (Spielberg, Christopher Nolan, Brad Pitt, Scorsese, DiCaprio, Tarantino, amongst others)
 * Rewrote the introduction by summarising Cameron's films and achievements. Remove un-sourced comments and irrelevant points - now its more neutral
 * Made corrections and added info to the early life section
 * Removed film-by-film contents structure (seriously, who did that?!)
 * Written in prose from career beginnings to the present day
 * Cut down excessive detail on films. People can find out more about individual films on their respective pages. It should describe a little about plot, production, budget, cast and performance
 * Created Activism and social causes section
 * Created Directorial style and reception with relevant info
 * Cleaned up awards section
 * Cleaned up filmography section and reduced number of tables which were basically listing the same things
 * Added references (but still a lot more to add, which I will do - or you can!)

I know this article is a challenge because Cameron is not just a conventional Hollywood director churning out films. I reckon for this to be a Featured Article, more info is needed on his sea exploration activities and directing style/themes. We should make this at least a Good Article.. it deserves it! Hiya111 16:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiya111 (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2019
Change "Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd decided to make The Abyss (1989); a story oft oil-rig workers" to "Cameron and Gale Anne Hurd decided to make The Abyss (1989); a story of oil-rig workers "

(Change "oft") 171.98.99.102 (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 20:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Litigation
If you mention the litigation with Roger Dean regarding the designs on Avatar, you should also mention the litigation involving Harlan Ellison and the Terminator films, which led to Ellison getting an on-screen "Acknowledgement." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.227.56.39 (talk) 13:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

James 'Jim' Cameron
Is there an argument to be made to include 'Jim' in the opening line, as this is the name which he goes by in daily life, and to which he refers to himself. Apologies if a stupid question, but I am unsure what the nomenclature is in these situations. --TBase2 (talk) 13:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Should this info be added?
I'm not sure if update would be considered relevant, or excessive/unnecessary? The article's "Activism and social causes" section states "In early 2014, Cameron purchased the Beaufort Vineyard and Estate Winery in Courtenay, British Columbia for $2.7 million, to pursue his passion for sustainable agribusiness."

The update is, Cameron recently (July 2021) sold the winery for $3.2 million (sources: https://vinesmart.com/listings/canada/british-columbia/courtenay/wineries-for-sale/vancouver-island-winery-vineyard-for-sale-beaufort/ and https://www.bcassessment.ca//Property/Info/RDAwMDBWOFZGTQ==) after being listed for sale in June 2020 for $5.9 million (source:https://www.timescolonist.com/real-estate/movie-director-james-cameron-s-island-winery-is-for-sale-1.24186660 and other media sources)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2022
In 2016, James Cameron became the first patron for the charity Plymouth Marine Laboratory, which undertakes innovative, cutting-edge marine research, allowing society to benefit from clean, productive, biologically diverse seas, now and for future generations. Reference: https://pml.ac.uk/news/Explorer-and-Film-maker-James-Cameron-to-be-first Awipml (talk) 10:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Thank you for your help! It is already referenced that James Cameron is a patron on the Plymouth Marine Laboratory Wikipedia page here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Marine_Laboratory
 * And there is a video on YouTube where James Cameron talks about being a Patron of Plymouth Marine Laboratory here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H6SD5w6Mdg Awipml (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help! It is already referenced that James Cameron is a patron on the Plymouth Marine Laboratory Wikipedia page here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Marine_Laboratory
 * And there is a video on YouTube where James Cameron talks about being a Patron of Plymouth Marine Laboratory here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H6SD5w6Mdg Awipml (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC) Awipml (talk) 10:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)