Talk:James David Manning

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David Manning PhD cannot be verified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjochannan (talk • contribs) 10:44, 20 June 2008


 * The article indicates that he has a Ph.D., but that it's from his own unaccredited institution. If he identifies himself publicly as "Dr." Manning, or as Manning, "Ph.D.", then this information, including where he received the degree and the accreditation status of the institution awarding it, should continue to be included in the article. 64.85.225.235 (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted the new addition on allegations of sexual harrassment. One of the references given, via a "rickross" web site, contained an article ostensibly from the St. Louis Dispatch. A google search did not produce an independent (non-rickross) result. If it can be established that this story did appear in the St. Louis Dispatch, then possibly these allegations can go on the page. However, since there is mention of a lawsuit, it would have to be shown what the outcome of that lawsuit was - and if it was simply dismissed then I'm not sure it would be appropriate to restore this section. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind - it's a different James Manning... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

added the word music to "video was produced by BarelyPolitical" to make it more clear that it's the crush on obama video being referenced and not the videos of manning's sermons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.197.216 (talk) 08:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Any reference to this man's PhD needs to be removed. He created his own 'school' and gave himself a PhD. The school isn't accredited, and he's clearly a fucking moron. PhD is a suffix of deference, remove it here as it is not applicable. 71.217.1.106 (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Where is this crazy ex-con's rap sheet? He just admitted to "being turned on to the Word whilst incarcerated" on Howard Stern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.214.41 (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Manning's non-racial Obama sermons
Should the infomation I added on "God Save Christmas" and "The President Who Stole Christmas" be added? :'( Angie Y. (talk) 01:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there are problems with it. Depending how it's worded, it makes the claims about Obama not giving presents appear to be true, and I suspect they're false.  The stuff he is reported to say in the previous paragraphs is at least ridiculous enough that no one is likely to take it as true; it also has the significant virtue that it was reported in the NY Times.  I'd like to hear from editors who have more experience considering use of youtube for this sort of thing; it's not an area I've worked with much. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Biased Opinions on The Discussion Page
Many of the people making edits on this article and discussing them not only have the language skills of a sixth grader that just learned how to curse but they also have biased opinions. The article is okay but it needs more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.93.57 (talk) 05:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps another segment should be added regarding his views of homosexuality (See his youtube video.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daffodil0127 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Does Manning speak about homosexuality or sodomy? I don't think the terms are equivalent. (PeacePeace (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC))

Babylonian whore?
I think the sentence saying he called Oprah Winfrey a "Babylonian whore" is a problem. This is what the source said but I think Manning really said she is the "Whore of Babylon". Not a compliment to be sure, but not exactly the same thing. I think there are potential BLP problems here. On the other hand I don't think anyone would take the statement seriously. Steve Dufour (talk) 07:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed the wording of the sentence trying to make it a bit less offensive to Ms Winfrey. Steve Dufour (talk) 08:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Can anybody find anthing positive to say about the pastor?
I am going to flag this with a NPOV flag that needs to stay untill someone can find something nutral to say about the man or find somthing positive to set off the section listed as 2008 elections. If this is a biography article it needs to be FAIR AND BALANCED!!! As it is currently written, it looks like a Smear job.216.180.189.229 (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't you simply add what you think ought to be added (supported by reliable sources, naturally)? It can hardly be said that neutrality is disputed when there haven't been disputes about what goes in the article.  As for NPOV, what that requires is balance with regard to what he has actually said and done, not equally positive and negative. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

If nothing of merit has come out of the mouth of this pastor, then scrounging up something positive to say for the sake of "balance" is disingenuous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daffodil0127 (talk • contribs) 08:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "nothing of merit", according to you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.84.11 (talk) 07:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, "nothing of merit" according to black business owners, white women who date black men, Muslims, people sane enough to believe the President wasn't born in Kenya, homosexuals, non-racists (i.e. people who dislike Meir Kahane), et. al. Really, James David Manning has many contradictory beliefs and has managed to viciously insult in one form or another just about anyone he can. Is there really anything positive to say about the guy? Or are we trying to extol the guy just for the sake of doing so? Debating this is a waste of time. There is nothing unbalanced about this article.Shabeki (talk) 05:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * While I do not agree with Manning's POV, I must say that he contributes to political/religious knowledge by presenting POV which is out of the box, like independent thinking not stuck in someone's cookie cutter categories. Probably positive things could be written of him if one cares to find them in reliable secondary sources.   (PeacePeace (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2017 (UTC))

The last section about his activism against gentrification seems a positive agenda to keep housing affordable for his community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DE:7729:A100:2D19:CD0A:628D:2AC0 (talk) 21:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Obama Trial
The revisions by others here are erroneous. This insert is a summary of the facts which occurred and were entered permanently into the record of the proceeding. In the USA we do not have a POV in the Courtroom. Only facts as evidence. The information added here is simply a summary of the trial as it transpired. it is neither POB or libel in the good 'ol usa. just the facts, ma'am Furtive admirer (talk) 06:38, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Although Furtive admirer is now blocked for this and the content wasn't viable in the form proposed, the show trial of Obama does seem biographically important, as perhaps the most outlandish and notorious of Manning's projects to date. It is covered by reliable sources that give it no consideration as a legal event but instead as an illustration of Manning's approach and the cultural disconnect of his followers.  - Wikidemon (talk) 11:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree it is potentially important. Perhaps you could propose some text here?  It's not a priority for me right now, but I'm happy to give some feedback on something.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The trial has been covered here: Stonemason89 (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Given that site's self-description as a blog, and its tagline of "keeping an eye on the radical right", I don't think that'll qualify as a reliable source. —   pd_THOR  undefined | 16:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I have put a brief reference to the trial back in the article based on Alex Pareene's coverage at Salon.com Dr. Conspiracy (talk) 02:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Personal information
Do not post personal information about living people, which has not been released by the subject. Posting of undisclosed personal information, whether or not accurate, is unacceptable content which can and will be suppressed under the oversight policy. Happy ‑ melon 11:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC) Manning attended and graduated from Harvard College. This has indeed been confirmed, as he has posted a photograph of his degree on Atlah.org. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.214.114 (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Ben Carson
He is now engaging in racist attacks on Ben Carson. FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * He's been doing it for months. youtube. -- Callinus (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you have proof that Manning bad-mouths Carson on the basis that Carson is of an inferior race, please post it. (PeacePeace (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC))

Forced sale
Another user feels this section should be moved. I feel it should stay high up in the article for the moment as the sale is due in less than 3 weeks and is highly topical. As this is about an American the user was right to change from a UK way of writing the date. I don't know US ways of writing dates so well. Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I just feel like the structure of most biographies starts with early life and progresses (mostly) chronologically from there, but I know that there's no set layout that can apply to every article. I think this turn of events is significant enought to warrant mention in the lead though, which would give it prominence in the entry. EricEnfermero (Talk) 20:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Fox references
"The Raw Story reported that Manning has appeared on Fox News.[3]"

This seems odd phrasing, why cite 3rd party (which is not particularly the greatest source itself) when one can find videos of the principal subject on Fox on YT etc directly


 * Some editors are hung up on the "reliable secondary source" principle. However, IMHO primary sources should be useable when they are readily accessible to all and the citation does not involve a debatable interpretation of the primary source. (PeacePeace (talk) 19:07, 21 October 2017 (UTC))

Punctuation needs correcting

 * 1) Commas are used for separating independent clauses introduced by and.
 * 2) Commas are not used to separate compound predicates or direct objects.
 * 3) Short prepositional phrases need no commas.
 * 4) Commas are not to be used when they serve no delineated purpose.
 * 5) Quotations are normally introduced by setting off the said with a comma and following the said, with a capital letter.
 * 6) The word that is used to introduce an indirect quotation or the gist of what was said, without giving specific words said. This article uses that but follows it with direct quote enclosed in quote marks. (PeacePeace (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC))

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Trump
There are some strong videos of him denouncing Trump, calling him an orange-haired orangutan, etc. I don't know what constitutes a reliable source for a BLP - would such a video count? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

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New allegations
A friend told me that there have been abuse allegations, and serious questions about the ATLAH high school. I came to Wikipedia to read more, but did not find them mentioned. But I found these articles with a Google search.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/former-students-make-new-allegations-against-harlem-private-school-described-cult/

https://www.wnyc.org/story/private-school-within-harlem-church-faces-abuse-accusations/

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/harlem-atlah-church-james-david-manning_n_5cba0a9ae4b06605e3ee5cde

Would someone please update the articles about Pastor Manning and his church/school? Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.35.55.103 (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2022 (UTC)