Talk:James Durbin (singer)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedy deleted because... --170.201.180.136 (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC) hello---this is an extremely popular Season 10 American Idol contestant who finished fourth and performed with Ozzy Osbourne guitarist Zakk Wylde and international heavy metal legends Judas Priest!
 * Speedy has been declined because it didn't fit the criteria.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 20:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

NOTNEWS
Please see here, regarding the revert of this edit. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Emphasis added to aid comprehension:"News reports. Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information." The announcement of a record release does not need the exact date or to be recorded here as an event that will happen; two years from now, the enduring information will be the month and year, and articles that include newsy info that amounts to a publicity press release will need consant updating. Further, Wikipedia is not for advertising; when writing in an encyclopedic tone, we can mention record releases, but we don't need exact dates, which aren't of enduring notability (although they may aid in advertising).  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That isn't the rule. You are adding extra rules which aren't in the guidelines.   Nothing is said about exact date (all album releases are in fact given exact release date where known, go check any discography section or pages).  The isn't breaking news, James Durbin talked about recording the track some time ago, and I didn't add it in, that's because it wasn't known then what would really happen to it.  What we have now is its actual inclusion in an album scheduled to be released, and album releases which has a scheduled release date is considered fine for entry in wiki pages. The song is NOT routine news, it is an artist work, and any significant work work by an artist must be included in artist page if wiki is to satisfy its encyclopedic remit. This is his first piece of work to be released after Idol, if that isn't important for inclusion in wiki, what is?  Hzh (talk) 16:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * When the album is released, it will have an exact date. Until then, we have just press release, non-noteworthy advertising.  And including that sort of info before it happens means someone has to constantly update the articles (to the exact date and past tense).  Again, enduring value of an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are not addressing the issue. 1) Yet-to-be-released album is fine for inclusion in wiki if it has a scheduled release date confirmed by reliable sources.  It is not considered advertising.  2) You are adding rules which aren't there - exact dates for example.  Those may be your interpretation, but nowhere are those rules stated in WP:NOTNEWS, so it is wrong of you to make assertion and quoting rules when they don't support your claim.  An album may have its release date changed by years, so what makes September 2011 better than September 27, 2011?  You are making up arbitrary rules.  Hzh (talk) 16:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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