Talk:James Ensor

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Changed 'duo' to 'band' in the reference to They Might Be Giants, as John Henry, the album containing the song 'Meet James Ensor', was the first album to created by the full-band TMBG. A bit of nit-picking, I know. 72.74.196.2 11:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The German version of this page contains a reference to 'Galerie de la Gazette'. Does anyone have any information on who/what/where this is? This is only 1 of 2 hits I got searching the web for that phrase.

Thanks!


 * That was a Dutch page. As I gather, it would be the "Galerie de la Gazette des Beaux-Arts", in Paris. I don't know if it still exists. RodC 03:50, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

What happened to this page? It seemed much more complete to me than the current stub. http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:ACdQ_Hu9ckcJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ensor+louise+bourgeois+ensor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

bluppfisk 13:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

In the Death Note live action movie an important scene takes place in front of a James Ensor painting, but the character says she is looking at a "ekusuhso kenak" painting. I think this is worth mentioning, but will leave it to someone else to do so.

Impressionist/Expressionist
I think James Ensor is rather expressionist than impressionist. If someone confirms, it would be good to modify this entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.230.113.59 (talk • contribs).
 * There's no doubt that he's more often classed as an expressionist. I'll give the article an adjustment. Ewulp 02:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
The bullet list of references in other media has been removed, and the more significant content integrated into the "Influence and legacy" section. Deleted lines: It is curious that this information has been placed in James Ensor, instead of in the respective articles (Halloween, Manhattan, and Oldboy) where it might be useful. A WP reader seeking an answer to the question, "what was that poster hanging in the background in Halloween", will go to Halloween, not here. The James Ensor article is not improved by adding a pointless list of films bearing no relation to Ensor except that a poster is on a wall in one scene. Ewulp (talk) 04:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In the 1978 movie Halloween the main character has a poster of a James Ensor painting in her bedroom.
 * In the 1979 Woody Allen film Manhattan the same poster is behind the character Yale Pollack when he is in bed talking to the Isaac Davis character.
 * His painting "The Man of Sorrows" is featured in the movie Oldboy

The paragraph about Pelletier is also trimmed. He seems nonnotable as a painter, although the work in question attracted limited attention in freethought circles, having been displayed at several humanist venues but apparently no museums. The external link seems worth keeping as it supports the statement that painters continue to do homage to Ensor. Ewulp (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

A few problems with this version
1) there is no Freedom of Panorama in Belgium. As the author of the bust died in 1956, it is copyrighted until 2026 (we will actually be able to use Ensor's paintings earlier). This is a copyright infringement, I am afraid.

2) Considering that Ensor was of British descent, met a lot of British people in Ostend, which for a long time was a favourite destination for British tourists, is it not a bit awkward that we are using American spelling here? Note that I am not sure about this Legion of Nonor. If it is the Légion d'Honneur, it should be stated as Légion d'Honneur. Not Legion of Hono(u)r.

3) "Nearly lost amid the teeming throng is Christ on his donkey; although Ensor was an atheist, he identified with Christ as a victim of mockery. The piece was rejected by Les XX and was not publicly displayed until 1929." This juxtaposition of two sourced statements is probably OR, as it creates the impression that Les XX rejected it because the way it portrayed Christ - or beacause it portrayed Christ at all. However, the Dutch version claims that by 1889, when the exhibition was to be held, the painting was not yet finished... --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * To the first point: Somebody apparently considered this to be fair use, perhaps it isn't, but this is what lawyers are for. Copyright law is a thing of beauty. Second point: Main writers are American, hence American spelling. Possibly this article should be converted but WP discourages such transformations unless really called for, and this is a fairly weak case—Ensor's father was of English extraction but lived for a time in the US; Ensor admired Edgar Allan Poe, and his most famous painting is in a US museum. Maybe it's a wash. Your next suggestion is excellent & will be implemented: "Legion of Honor" is the form used in the Becks-Malorny book, but Légion d'Honneur is better. Point three: I don't think any false impression is created; the passage merely notes that the painting was rejected. Its immense size may have been the reason ( but I have no source for this). Multiple print sources provide a completion date of 1888 for the painting, which was rejected by Les XX in 1889 (although 11 other works by Ensor were accepted). Ewulp (talk) 04:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

What's happened to the mention of the song by They Might Be Giants in honour of James Ensor? Pureferret (talk) 21:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

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Christ's Entry Into Brussels
"During the late 19th century much of his work was rejected as scandalous, particularly his painting Christ's Entry Into Brussels in 1889 (1888–89)." But while the article on that work mentions that it wasn't accepted, no mention is made of a scandal of any kind. It would be of value for someone to elaborate there. Largoplazo (talk) 02:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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Mention of Plastic Masks
The section mentions Ensor "Attracted by masks' plastic forms, bright colors, and potential for psychological impact, he created a format in which he could paint with complete freedom". However, plastic was not invented until 1907. Were the masks made of another medium? Duggster522 (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is not entirely clear to me exactly what was intended. Painting and sculpture are sometimes referred to as "the plastic arts" because the artist's media are molded and shaped into whatever form the artists desires. But I don't know if that is how it is being used here.  It could be reworded. WiLaFa (talk) 23:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)