Talk:James John Joicey

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KenWalker | Talk 03:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

James John Joicey bio (copy of off-page discussion)
Hi Notafly, belated thanks for creating the James John Joicey bio page back in 2007. I've recently enlarged the bio and would appreciate your thoughts. I'd also be grateful for a source for the judge making Joicey promise to abandon collecting orchids please. Thanks! RLO1729 (talk) 09:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Re: James John Joicey (copy of off-page discussion)
Very nice work.I am trying to recall where I got the orchid promise info.Not presumably in the entomological journal obits as it's gossip. The note in my card index on entomologists isn't referenced so it is no help. It may have come from Paul Smart the author of Butterflies of the World (and also later bankrupt). I will sleep on it and try a few avenues.Heres hoping Best regards Robert (Nash) aka Notafly (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks Robert. RLO1729 (talk) 12:00, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

The Eponym Dictionary of Birds 2014 by Bo Beolens, Michael Watkins , Michael Grayson repeats the info but gives no reference.Maybe they got it from Wiki and didn't like to say
 * I've also seen it here, also not referenced. RLO1729 (talk) 12:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

This predates my account ( 9 February 2007‎) and at that time I was a member of the Lepidopterists' Society and so it is a very likely source - Lee D. Miller Presidential address 1984: A tribute to the Amateur Journal of the Lepidopterists' Society 40(1). 1986. 1-7 pdf PS Even if it isn't I'd add the ref Robert
 * Thanks, that is certainly the earliest reference to the story I've seen. However, contemporary newspaper accounts indicate Joicey went bankrupt only twice: 1909 (the £30,000 mentioned by Miller seems to be a misinterpretation of the sums mentioned in that bankruptcy) and 1922 (rather than Miller's "1930s"), and I cannot find any evidence of the orchid story in the quite detailed newspaper accounts of either bankruptcy. This tends to reduce my confidence in the whole story, but there still may be some grain of truth in it and it would be interesting to know Miller's source. RLO1729 (talk) 13:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Doubt we will trace Miller's source.Or mine if not Miller.A lot of my knowledge and Miller's no doubt came from correspondence or conversation.No academic rigour here and certainly not primary sources. Soon I will fill this red link Lee Denmar Miller (1935–2008). All the best Robert
 * OK, many thanks Robert. I might move the orchid story to a footnote until further corroboration is found, what do you think? RLO1729 (talk) 13:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

That seems to be the best solution. Consider writing though - According to Miller ........ using the ref


 * You read my mind :) RLO1729 (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, let me know if the Note needs any adjustment. I was also slightly worried by the fact that the Wiki bio for Walter Rothschild does not mention orchids, but this indicates he was interested in them. RLO1729 (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

B-class review
I consider that the article now meets (at least) the B-Class criteria. RLO1729 (talk) 07:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * In allocating C-class rather than B-class the reviewer said:
 * I do not have much feedback beyond that B to featured articles have three paragraph intros in general.
 * I have revised the introduction paragraphs and also added a summary Legacy section.
 * I consider that the article now meets (at least) the B-Class criteria. RLO1729 (talk) 02:59, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Review now complete, article upgraded to B-Class (see my talk page). Thanks for reviewing this article Filmman3000. RLO1729 (talk) 03:53, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits
Hey You've done a ton of good work here and I'm impressed. Let me know if you have any questions about my edits. I'm mostly just following the WP:MOS. Keep up the good work. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 05:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks SchreiberBike, your edits are helpful and appreciated. RLO1729 (talk) 05:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Comments
Many thanks for your copy edits 84.64.237.205, excellent work again! ~ RLO1729&#128172; 02:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)