Talk:James Levine

Allegations of molestation
I've removed the following paragraph from the main article, since it makes serious unsupported allegations against Levine. If this story is to be placed in the article, it must be backed up by verifiable references.


 * material removed as per WP:RS

Grover cleveland 07:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Someone keeps trying to add the molestation allegations to the main article. Wikipedia cannot put this kind of stuff in an article unless it is backed up by references. See WP:Verifiability.

Grover cleveland 05:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Maazel's comments and criticism of Levine may be verified by any current member of the National Symphony Orchestra or New York Philharmonic Orchestra.

This does not meet Wikipedia's criterion for verifiability. References must be to reliable, published sources. Maazel's alleged remarks are not a published source, since they were allegedly made in private to a select group of musicians. Members of orchestras likewise are not published sources. See Reliable sources. Note especially on that page:


 * We may not use primary sources whose information has not been made available by a credible publication.

Grover cleveland 16:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I've reported the IP 168.105.175.xx at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Grover cleveland 21:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

If Numerous music critics and musicians have publicly criticized Levine, The Metropolitan Opera and the New York Times for covering up the incident, then this should be backed up by a direct link to their criticism. This "story" has all the indications of being a totally fabricated rumor based on petty professional jealousy. I'm going to report user 128.171.138.74 for IP blocking if he/she adds undocumented allegations of molestation again.

Grover cleveland 16:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm reporting 128.171.138.XXX for IP blocking at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. 128.171.138.XXX, whoever you are, you have been warned several times that a newsgroup posting (which is all that your link points to) is not sufficient basis for making such grave allegations against a public figure. Even if it were, the link does not back up the allegations you make: the link just reports "rumors" about Levine while your edit unequivocally claims that he has engaged in molestation. It is noteworthy that Greg Sandow, who is alleged to be the source of these allegations, hasn't made them on his own homepage at http://www.gregsandow.com

Grover cleveland 02:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * In compliance with WP:LIBEL, I have removed all the libelous edits from the page history. Angr (talk • contribs) 14:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The anonymous vandal has been at his dirty work again, this time using a link to a real New York Times story about Levine for cover. However, the story says nothing about Levine except that he is "intensely private". Grover cleveland 01:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have once again deleted the references from the history, and I've semiprotected the pages so anons and new users can't edit it. Angr (talk • contribs) 05:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have removed this yet AGAIN; look at the contributions for. This kind of thing, especially after the Siegenthaler incident, is completely unacceptable. Vague rumors and allegations have no place here. Antandrus (talk) 01:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

The anonymous vandal has added the Levine molestation allegations to Boston Symphony Orchestra, Munich Philharmonic Orchestra and Lorin Maazel pages (possibly others that I didn't see). I'm going to request that the IP be banned. Grover cleveland 15:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It will have to be a range block, since it's not always exactly the same IP. I'd do it myself, but I don't know how to block a whole range of IPs. Angr (talk • contribs) 16:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed a similar notation from the Fantasia 2000 page. 24.91.212.56 01:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

While I certainly have no proof of any misconduct of James Levine, I did hear many stories - in graphic detail - of his behavior from a fellow musician who hung out with other NY musicians. It would seem to be common knowledge in some circles ... though with no proof for Wiki. Davehorne (talk) 19:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Grover cleveland got his wish today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.164.177 (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Confusion
Between Judith Levine and James Levine perhaps? Rich Farmbrough 17:53 9  April 2006 (UTC).

Josef Lhevinne
Levine could not have studied in 1957 with Josef Lhevinne. By then he was dead!


 * He studied with Joseph Lhevinne's widow, Rosina Lhevinne.

More sick gossip
Anybody have a link to the New York Times article about his alcohol abuse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dick.cavett (talk • contribs) 23:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Verbier Festival
I removed text on the Verbier Festival because that is best included on the separate page for the festival. DJRafe 03:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Another Factoid
The music for the series "The Closer" is credited to James L. Levine, but I have no idea where to put it in this article. I also don't know of any other musical works he has composed. Rebele | Talk The only way to win the game is to not play the game. 01:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Music for The Closer is by another Levine... James Scott Levine https://www.google.com/search?q=james+s.+levine Theszak (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Champion of modern music
I would mention the fact that he's an avid champion (or something like that) of modern music - his favorite living composers being/having been Babbitt (R.I.P.), Carter etc. - were I more educated in details of it all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.222.189 (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Allegations of Sexual Abuse and Harassment
Well, add him to the pile now: “Met Opera to Investigate James Levine Over Sexual Abuse Accusation” (New York Times, December 2nd 2017) --SpyMagician (talk) 02:22, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * And an article that provides some more detail and an explicit timeline: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/03/02/cleveland/cn2Sathz0EMJcdpYouoPjM/story.html - kosboot (talk) 17:51, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

LGBT
He is openly gay (see for example http://www.dailywire.com/news/24245/legendary-conductor-james-levine-accused-sexually-emily-zanotti#exit-modal ) so he should be classed as LGBT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.234.241.1 (talk) 10:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Author, composer, orchestrator, arranger, composition studies, composing sketches
a) Before, during and after The Juilliard School years what Literature, Correspondence or Music has James Lawrence Levine written, composed, orchestrated or published?... https://www.reddit.com/r/musicology/comments/7hwpzk/what_works_have_been_composed_maestro_of/

b) Around the world what Libraries or Archives have James Lawrence Levine Collections? Theszak (talk)

Quiet endeavors
I have heard from Met personnel that Levine was single-handedly responsible (financially) for the Carnegie Hall series "Met Chamber Ensemble." I've not found a citation for that claim, however. - kosboot (talk) 19:46, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Years Active -- till 2017?
His last performance at the Met Opera was Verdi's Requiem on Dec 2, 2017, and I doubt if he will come back any time soon. Is it appropriate to change the "Years Active" part in the short bio, or should I wait? Rwalle (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Potentially problematic structuring and treatment of Sexual Assault Allegations.
It seems to me that the article as it currently stands appears to be biased in favor of James Levine. It alternates between not addressing and casting doubt over the allegations. Examples of possible bias in the writing include the "See also: Me too movement," which implies that he just got "caught up" as a victim of the movement. Also, words like "accuser" and "allegations" are strongly overused. Additionally, the article seems to treat the accusations very insularly; no reference is made to them outside in sections where such references would be apt, such as the Work with Students section. Sbcloatitr (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Concerning words like "accuser" and "allegations" - nothing has even been proven in a court of law, so I don't think it's possible to go beyond those words. As far as "work with students" - most of the people who have come forward have been from the early part of Levine's career when he was more or less a colleague (or perhaps advanced colleague) and not in a position of power that would be typical of teacher-student relationships.- kosboot (talk) 12:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the OP; imo, the the situation is extremely visible and present in the article, in just exposure alone. The Sexual assault allegations is almost half the article; the entire fourth paragraph of the lead discusses this, as does the third sentence of the article. If anything, too much weight is given to the topic, but perhaps this is because that topic is also the most developed in the article. That "See also: Me too movement" comment, is kind of catered to support your perspective; it's there so that readers can have a quick link to see other situations similar to this. We don't know if this would have occurred were it not for Me Too, but it certainly seems less likely. As such, the situation is part of the movement as a whole; and there wouldn't be so much space and information discussing it, were he just "caught up" in it. Regardless, the Me Too information can probably be inserted into the article more naturally, but I really struggle to see how not doing so at the moment is NPOV. Aza24 (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC)