Talk:James Loch

Economist?
Does James Loch deserve to be graced with the epithet "economist"? I cannot see much justification for it in the article Ragbin (talk) 12:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Sutherland clearances
The article attributes the Sutherland clearances to the Marquis of Stafford but the Sutherland estate and title belonged to his wife, the Countess, until her death - a situation perhaps unique in 19th century Britain. No doubt the Marquis would have had influence, but she was the controlling force. Northern rocks 21:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nasty swimmer (talk • contribs)
 * The Sutherland Estate was owned by the Countess of Sutherland before her marriage, but became Stafford's property on a "life rent" once they were wed. So, legally, the estate was his for his lifetime. To complicate things, he delegated much of the control of the estate to Lady Sutherland (as she was known informally by most working on the estate). He provided the huge sums of money needed for the changes to the estate - building new settlements and fishing villages, opening a coal mine and salt pans, etc. He also was kept informed of all the matters on the estate. Loch was, I understand, very much Stafford's man - so the resolute perseverance with plans that had clear defects even whilst they were being implemented (as was the case with Loch ignoring the warnings of his local representative in the area taking people cleared from Kildonan in 1818) was the failing of one of Stafford's "team". Whilst it is very much the case that Lady Sutherland had a more hands-on management role - being the first point of contact in most cases, Stafford was at the very least aware of management decisions.
 * Overall, this is a complex issue to convey - but the article could do with some considered changes. Sources for the above include Richards, Eric (2000). The Highland Clearances People, Landlords and Rural Turmoil (2013 ed.). Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978-1-78027-165-1. Adams, R J, ed. (1972). Papers on Sutherland Estate Management 1802–1816, Volume 1. Edinburgh: Scottish History Society. ISBN 978-0950026046. Hunter, James (2015). Set Adrift Upon the World: the Sutherland Clearances. Edinburgh: Birlinn Limited. ISBN 978-1-78027-268-9. Eric Richards is the expert on the Sutherland Estate at this time. It might also be worth looking at his biography of Patrick Sellar ( Richards, Eric (1999). Patrick Sellar and the Highland Clearances: Homicide, Eviction and the Price of Progress. Edinburgh: Polygon. ISBN 1 902930 13 4.) ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)