Talk:James Marriott (musician)

Assistance with page development
Hey, was wondering if you could offer me any help with developing this page? I've seen your work on some of my favourite artist's pages including piri and Jax Jones and loved your work! James recently charted in the UK Album chart so that is why I have started a page and was wondering if you fancy helping me get it up to standard. Thank you! George (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * oh yeah, and could we possibly get it indexed too? thanks!! George (talk) 20:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I really am sorry to keep you waiting for so long; the DYK section, where I do much of my editing, has been very busy. A few things stuck out; lead sections should be a summary of the rest of the article and shouldn't contain content not in the body; subscriber counts are dynamic lists and require a secondary source (and preferably a timestamp, piri hasn't had 419,000 TikTok subscribers since last year); influences should really be in their own section as well and most of the personal life section is early life and should be part of the career section and the bit that's left should either be with Artistry or timestamped within the career section; I'm leaning towards saying that the first sentence should be truncated at 'musician', because that's what he appears to best known for, though I haven't done that much googling and I could be wrong on that. I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'indexed' as the article seems to be categorised, but I plan on doing some work on this myself. (And I haven't done that much work on the Jax Jones article; I created a short stub, which was prodded and then deleted, and then overwritten, virtually none of my contributions remain in the history.)-- Laun chba ller 17:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, on Google! Unfortunately, they're a law unto themselves; some articles appear within seconds, while others take a bit longer (George Daniel took three days). It doesn't help that this isn't currently linked from any mainspace articles.-- Laun chba ller 10:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've just done some work on this.-- Laun chba ller 17:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow! The article looks great. Thanks for all that feedback too, I'll make sure to take that on board :) Also, no worries about the indexing, I think I saw something about it having to be 'patrolled'? I got sent this page: Controlling search engine indexing. Really appreciate your help with the article! George (talk) 19:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * New one on me this, but it would appear that this needs either 90 days to elapse or someone with the 'new pages patroller' right to mark it as patrolled or edit the article. I can't do that as I don't have the right, and I suspect I wouldn't get it as I don't do much vandal-fighting.-- Laun chba ller 12:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Has been indexed now which is great! Should we potentially attempt to get this top good article level? This is the first article that I've largely contributed to so would be cool! I recon its possible with the amount of sources he has, I've tried to add as much as I can in the last few days :) George (talk) 15:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Please forgive the late reply. WP:GA is an area I'm less familiar with, as I have only one article. However, there are a fair few sources I would not use personally; Sportskeeda is considered generally unreliable at the perennial reliable sources list, the Daily Mirror and Dexerto are tabloids and probably shouldn't be used in biographies of living people, and I'd be prepared to justify use of Twitter/YouTube (see WP:ABOUTSELF). I'd also look for a source that says the loophole was definitely fixed. Certainly worth nominating though.-- Laun chba ller 13:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Have removed those three sources! ive also created a separate section for primary sources which is the better way of formatting it! I think i'll nominate it if you recon thats all thats wrong with it :) George (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

That isn't all of them, and I wouldn't separate them anyway. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but per WP:BLP primary sources should really only be used for uncontroversial claims (like middle name, birth date etc.); much of the social media section shouldn't actually be there.-- Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 23:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Launchballer i've made sure that all of the primary sources are essentially cold hard proof of what i've written so they shouldn't be an issue hopefully? (most of them are just uncontroversial claims) would you mind helping me adapt / change the stuff that shouldn't be there & give me an idea so i can help? thanks :) George (talk) 04:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but there's also the issue of it constituting due weight if no other sources have talked about it.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 10:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Inclusion of additional band member
During the "Are We There Yet" tour of Europe James's band was joined by Louis Salanson controlling their multitrack but also playing additional guitar and percussion during the set (I was unable to find a written acknowledgement of this but I hope this segment of his live set at KOKO in London suffices). Should he be added to the "Live Members" section? Hanatic (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You do need a written acknowledgement of it at minimum.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 10:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah okay. That makes things difficult as most acknowledgements I can find are either from James's streams or recordings of his gigs; I'll keep looking. Hanatic (talk) 19:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

James is pookie leader
James calls his fans pookies. Therefore, This should be included in the article. 2600:6C64:6D7F:8A6E:847A:292:AEF8:E7CB (talk) 14:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2024
James Marriot was given the nickname 'Pookie' by his Twitch chat in late 2023, when several chat members began to say that he was their pookie bear. James was originally opposed to this title but it seems as of early 2024 he is quite fond of the nickname, even beginning to state that he is, in fact, pookie. Milosilofilogilo (talk) 21:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 22:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 May 2024
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 01:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

– seems to be the most viewed page by far, the current James Marriott page can be made into James Marriott (disambiguation)&#32;George (talk) 23:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). George (talk) 18:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * James Marriott (musician) → James Marriott
 * James Marriott → James Marriott (disambiguation)

Amakuru, Hi! Wanted to discuss your opposing of the move of this article to James Marriott, this article was listed as a ‘good article’ a while ago now, and was featured on the home page around the same time, so I believe the current 30 day page views to be all organic. Going by the fact that every other ‘James Marriott’ article has under 100 views in the last 30 days, (other than the author which still has just 462) I would say that this article is the primary topic. Going into the future I would be confident in saying that this James Marriott would have the most longevity. Hope to hear your response! :) Also just wanted to add that this James Marriott is notable under wikipedia’s rules mainly as a musician rather than as a Youtuber so please treat the article that way in decisions rather than jumping to negative conclusions as you saw ‘Youtuber’ as part of his career. Thanks! George (talk) 18:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment - Thanks for the note and explanation of the position, . My main reason for opposing this move is that, as outlined at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, we should assess the relative notability of the relevant individuals more by long-term significance than by how many page views they get. As far as I can tell from a subjective assessment of their careers, the 1720–1813 judge was the most significant - as his article notes, "his contribution to legal history lies principally in the publication of Formulare instrumentarum, a text on admiralty law that had a significant influence on American law in particular". So while he may not attract huge page views, in terms of overall enduring significance he seems to be ahead of the musician, whose most successful work so far was an album that hit number 17 on the UK album charts. Certainly the musician is the subject of interest right now, as this is when he's active, but from an encyclopedic standpoint, I don't think there is any primary topic between the entries and the status quo should remain. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 19:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No primary topic here by long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Necrothesp. There are four men listed upon the James Marriott disambiguation page, with little indication that the YouTuber has attained renown to such a widespread degree that it dwarfs the combined notability of the remaining three men. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2024
Change 2 million subscribers to 2.68 million across all channels 2601:2C1:8A82:1DA0:A402:BDBF:166:95F2 (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ligaturama (talk) 16:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)