Talk:Jamie Collins (American football)

Orphaned references in Jamie Collins (American football)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Jamie Collins (American football)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "spotrac": From Patrick Chung:  From Jon Bostic:  From Tavon Wilson:  From Demario Davis:  From Christian Kirksey:  From Mychal Kendricks:  From Devin McCourty:  From Kyle Arrington: </li> <li>From Rob Ninkovich: </li> <li>From Dont'a Hightower: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:00, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Wording
I like the way you did things here by citing the national football league in a sepparate sentence. If you could go back and change this for Jadeveon Clowney and Donta Hightower and any other pages you’ve done this for that would be a big help. It’s just so that all free agent pages are consistent and follow the same format of not listing nfl in opening sentence with the free agent statement. Bears247 (talk) 13:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've been doing that. Bluerules (talk) 12:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

NFL needs to be identified.
- Please read WP:OTHERSTUFF. You are not citing an actual policy for why NFL shouldn't be spelled out on first reference. You are making an OTHERSTUFF argument and, as demonstrated by that guideline, you cannot make OTHERSTUFF arguments to justify your edits. NFL needs to be spelled out on first reference, plain and simple, because you cannot assume readers know what the NFL is. It needs to be clear from the start. Bluerules (talk) 12:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

It’s in the article if you can’t handle the structure of the articles you shouldn’t be editing the NFL, rules and structures of articles are same and are well established. TheKinkdomMan talk  12:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It is not in the article on first reference. If you are not going to learn the actual rules of Wikipedia, you should not be editing Wikipedia. Bluerules (talk) 12:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

You should be checking the structure guide lines and you shouldn’t be editing NFL when you clearly have no idea what your doing TheKinkdomMan  talk  12:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You have not cited one actual guideline. I have provided the actual guideline that establishes how you believe this article should be written is wrong and against Wikipedia policy. You continue to ignore this guideline. When you clearly are ignoring the rules, you should not be editing Wikipedia. Bluerules (talk) 12:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:NFL TheKinkdomMan  talk  13:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * That is not a guideline. WikiProject National Football League/Player pages format clearly says it is a recommendation, not a rule. WP:OTHERSTUFF is a clear rule and you refuse to acknowledge its existence. Bluerules (talk) 13:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * IMO, the easy fix was tightening up the prose. Being a second-round draft pick isn't intro-worthy; the player I looked at for comparison was the second pick overall, and it wasn't in his intro! The phrasing that he "joined the National Football League (NFL) when he was selected by the New England Patriots in the second round of the 2013 NFL Draft" leads frequent readers of player articles to a false conclusion: he was drafted by the Patriots but traded away or cut before he played a snap for them, which isn't the case.
 * To this end, I have made a bold revision to the introduction. —C.Fred (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we should just go back to the previous version before TheKinkdomMan's edit - as the section above demonstrates, Bears247 was in favor of it. I'm not sure that saying he joined the NFL after he was selected by the Patriots leads to a false conclusion, but I support simply mentioning he previously played in the NFL for (x) amount of seasons in the second season. If it's alright with you, I'll restore the version from late March / April. Bluerules (talk) 13:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is his draft pick even worth mentioning? People taken higher don't have it in their intros. —C.Fred (talk) 13:36, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I rarely see NFL player articles that don't mention the draft they were taken in. It identifies the year he began in the NFL and helps provide a timeline of when his career took place. Bluerules (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I see it mentioned, but not in the intro. —C.Fred (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The most important information should be in the introduction because that's what readers will naturally see first. It's important to identify when a player's career took place from the start - otherwise, readers won't have a good idea of when he was playing and we shouldn't force them to read the body to find something simple like that. Bluerules (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

All this info is in the below tab of professional career so it shouldn’t be put on the lead bio when you can scroll down and read it TheKinkdomMan  talk  16:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The purpose of the lead is to prevent readers from having to scroll down and find the most important information. Bluerules (talk) 19:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

C.Fred how is it worth noting when it’s listed as one of his career highlights it’s not necessary to have in the lead bio TheKinkdomMan  talk  17:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Does that mean we remove everything from the lead that's in the career highlights? Of course not. The lead summarizes the subject and the career highlights are often the most important information for the lead. Bluerules (talk) 19:25, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Bluerules I don’t think everything should be removed however I don’t agree with a repeating stat/award/Career Highlights which is indicated on the NFL player bio page, I don’t see the reason for overkill  TheKinkdomMan  talk  17:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * We're summarizing the player's career and highlights are naturally an important part of an individual's career. Bluerules (talk) 17:28, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything that's listed in the career highlights section of the infobox must be supported by content in the article. That's how it works and that's where you include relevant references. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC)