Talk:Jamie Waller (entrepreneur)

Some proposed changes
Change 1: Introduction

Please could we change the current line "he is the founder....in 2012" to:

"He was the founder of JBW Group (a debt collection firm) in 2004 and then Hito (A FinTech company) which he founded in 2016. He sold both businesses for over £40 million and now operates a private equity fund, Firestarters.co.uk. He is married with two children and lives in London. (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angels-beware-the-bailiff-is-coming-to-start-a-fire-ljnpqwb76)

Change 2: Charities

Could we add a section called "Charities" with the following copy

"In 2017 the Jamie Waller foundation (http://www.jamiewaller.co.uk/foundation/) was set-up and is currently supporting a number of causes including The Princes Trust (https://www.princes-trust.org.uk/support-our-work/patrons), Enterprise Scheme where Waller is Patron of the Trust and The Imps Motorcycle Display Team where Waller was once a member (http://www.impsonline.com/sponsorship/)."

Change 3: Businesses

Could we add the following line to the end of this paragraph:

"Waller then went onto work in the debt recovery industry as an enforcement agent where in his early career he was held hostage at gun point." (http://www.growthbusiness.co.uk/never-look-back-millionaire-entrepreneur-turned-investor-jamie-waller-opens-up-2552825/, https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angels-beware-the-bailiff-is-coming-to-start-a-fire-ljnpqwb76)

Change 4: JBW Group

Please could we update this section to:

"Waller founded JBW Group in 2004 and sold the business to the Japanese outsourcing firm, OSI in 2016. He remained in the business for one year as Chairman until selling his remaining shares in 2017" (http://www.cavendish.com/all-deals/jbw-group-limited-and-case-dynamics-limited-outsourcing-inc/ https://www.oaklins.com/de/de/case-study.html?did=102019, http://hito.co/2017/01/31/the-global-outsourcing-group-outsourcing-inc-has-today-reached-agreement-to-increase-to-100-its-ownership-of-hito-a-provider-of-fintech-solutions-to-the-credit-and-debt-industries/, https://www.creditman.co.uk/news/the-global-outsourcing-group-outsourcing-inc-acquires-jbw-group/)

Change 5: Hito Limited (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08117406)

Could we change the Case Dynamics Limited section to be titled "Hito Limited" (the new name) and update as follows:

"Hito Limited (previously called Case Dynamics Limited) was launched in 2016. Waller sold the business just six months after product launch for a reported £9m."

https://startups.co.uk/the-entrepreneur-jamie-waller-firestarter/

Change 6: Firestarters

Could we add a new section called "Firestarters" please, with the following copy:

"Waller launched Firestarters a private equity vehicle in 2017. The business invests in a variety of businesses from consultancy services to car sales."

Change 7: Media Section

Could we add the following line to the end of the section:

"He is also a frequent contributor to UK news and radio where he specialises in entrepreneurship and personal finance.[18] Waller is the author of the business book; Unsexy Business." (http://unsexybusiness.com/jamiewaller/)

http://www.executiveinterviews.com/delivery/v1/mini/default.asp?CI=N&order=UK07866a https://alchetron.com/Jamie-Waller-(entrepreneur) http://e-comms.smith.williamson.co.uk/rv/ff00249ee80f37fc0282abf9ea4e828328540e43/p=4568624 http://www.growthbusiness.co.uk/never-look-back-millionaire-entrepreneur-turned-investor-jamie-waller-opens-up-2552825/ http://www.pimlicoplumbers.com/blog/hunting-spineless-tech-unicorns-is-a-fool-s-errand-compared-to-backbone-businesses https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-tmj/tm-journals/2017-041/UK00003260051.html

BrookyTH (talk) 11:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Please ensure that all material you wish to add is backed up by independent, reliable sources. Of the links you've provided, only the Times meets this criterion. See WP:IRS for more information. SmartSE (talk) 11:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Change 1: Introduction

Please could we change the current line "he is the founder....in 2012" to:

"He was the founder of JBW Group (a debt collection firm) in 2004 and then Hito (A FinTech company) which he founded in 2016. He sold both businesses for over £40 million and now operates a private equity fund, Firestarters.co.uk. He is married with two children and lives in London. (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angels-beware-the-bailiff-is-coming-to-start-a-fire-ljnpqwb76)

Change 2: Charities

Could we add a section called "Charities" with the following copy

"In 2017 the Jamie Waller foundation (http://www.jamiewaller.co.uk/foundation/) was set-up and is currently supporting a number of causes including The Princes Trust (https://www.princes-trust.org.uk/support-our-work/patrons), Enterprise Scheme where Waller is Patron of the Trust and The Imps Motorcycle Display Team where Waller was once a member (http://www.impsonline.com/sponsorship/)."

Change 3: Businesses

Could we add the following line to the end of this paragraph:

"Waller then went onto work in the debt recovery industry as an enforcement agent where in his early career he was held hostage at gun point." (http://www.growthbusiness.co.uk/never-look-back-millionaire-entrepreneur-turned-investor-jamie-waller-opens-up-2552825/, https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/angels-beware-the-bailiff-is-coming-to-start-a-fire-ljnpqwb76)

Change 4: JBW Group

Please could we update this section to:

"Waller founded JBW Group in 2004 and sold the business to the Japanese outsourcing firm, OSI in 2016. He remained in the business for one year as Chairman until selling his remaining shares in 2017" (http://www.cavendish.com/all-deals/jbw-group-limited-and-case-dynamics-limited-outsourcing-inc/ https://www.oaklins.com/de/de/case-study.html?did=102019, http://hito.co/2017/01/31/the-global-outsourcing-group-outsourcing-inc-has-today-reached-agreement-to-increase-to-100-its-ownership-of-hito-a-provider-of-fintech-solutions-to-the-credit-and-debt-industries/, https://www.creditman.co.uk/news/the-global-outsourcing-group-outsourcing-inc-acquires-jbw-group/)

Change 5: Hito Limited (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08117406)

Could we change the Case Dynamics Limited section to be titled "Hito Limited" (the new name) and update as follows:

"Hito Limited (previously called Case Dynamics Limited) was launched in 2016. Waller sold the business just six months after product launch for a reported £9m."

https://startups.co.uk/the-entrepreneur-jamie-waller-firestarter/

Change 6: Firestarters

Could we add a new section called "Firestarters" please, with the following copy:

"Waller launched Firestarters a private equity vehicle in 2017. The business invests in a variety of businesses from consultancy services to car sales."

Change 7: Media Section

Could we add the following line to the end of the section:

"He is also a frequent contributor to UK news and radio where he specialises in entrepreneurship and personal finance.[18] Waller is the author of the business book; Unsexy Business." (http://unsexybusiness.com/jamiewaller/)

http://www.executiveinterviews.com/delivery/v1/mini/default.asp?CI=N&order=UK07866a https://alchetron.com/Jamie-Waller-(entrepreneur) http://e-comms.smith.williamson.co.uk/rv/ff00249ee80f37fc0282abf9ea4e828328540e43/p=4568624 http://www.growthbusiness.co.uk/never-look-back-millionaire-entrepreneur-turned-investor-jamie-waller-opens-up-2552825/ http://www.pimlicoplumbers.com/blog/hunting-spineless-tech-unicorns-is-a-fool-s-errand-compared-to-backbone-businesses https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-tmj/tm-journals/2017-041/UK00003260051.html

BrookyTH


 * It would take considerable effort to incorporate any of these changes as they are not correctly formatted to be inserted. Volunteers tend to resent doing work for someone else who is getting paid to do it - see WP:CITE for how to do it properly. In addition, the source quality is still poor or non-existent for many of these proposed changes. Regardless of sourcing, #2 and #7 are 100% PR and do not belong here. SmartSE (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh and new posts go at the bottom of pages. SmartSE (talk) 13:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
Hi @smartse

I have now added references in the format you asked for - please let me know if this has been done correctly. I've also removed proposed changes 2 and 7.

All these changes are factually accurate and backed up by credible sources - I'd really appreciate if the amendments could be made. Happy to do it myself, but wanted to check first.

These might seem like minor changes, but they are important as the current information is either out of date or not accurate

Change 1: Introduction

Can we add the following to the send of this section:

"He was the founder of JBW Group (a debt collection firm) in 2004 and then Hito (A FinTech company) which he founded in 2016. He sold both businesses for over £40 million and now operates a private equity fund, Firestarters.co.uk.

He is married with two children and lives in London"

Change 2: Businesses

Can we add the following to the send of this section:

"Waller then went onto work in the debt recovery industry as an enforcement agent where in his early career he was held hostage at gun point."

Change 3: JBW Group

Jamie is no longer the Chairman of JBW Group (this is not accurate).

Could we change the opening line to:

"Waller founded JBW Group in 2004 and sold the business to the Japanese outsourcing firm, OSI in 2016. He remained in the business for one year as Chairman until selling his remaining shares in 2017"

Change 4: Case Dynamics Limited

Can we change the title of this section to "Hito Limited

Can we change the copy to:

"Hito Limited (previously called Case Dynamics Limited) was launched in 2016. Waller sold the business just six months after product launch for a reported £9m."

Change 5: Firestarters

Could we add a new section called "Firestarters" please, with the following copy: "Waller launched Firestarters a private equity vehicle in 2017. The business invests in a variety of businesses from consultancy services to car sales."


 * As you'll see I've made quite a few changes to the article in order to clean up the mess left by previous undisclosed paid editors. Could you please email me a copy of the article in the Times so that I can read it in full? I've added about him founding firestarters but need to look at it in more detail before adding more. #2 is already covered by "Waller started working as debt collector but quit at the age of 21" - I don't see why being held hostage is pertinent in the grand scheme of things. #3 I have removed this. You haven't included a link for your proposed change so I can't look into whether it should be included. #4 These are both primary sources. We don't aim to include every last detail of every business he founded - only ones that independent sources consider important. #5 - same as number one, but if there is more relevant info in the Times there might be more to add. SmartSE (talk) 13:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for a copy of the article. I've read it but it doesn't mention Hito at all, so I can't include anything about that referenced to it as you requested. Similarly, it does not say two businesses were sold for £40 million. There are some details that could be included like the motorbike team and the general idea of firestarters, but you will need to come up with something neutral and verifiable before I can add it. SmartSE (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit request
Dear editor, I would like to request several changes and additions to Jamie Waller's page.

I have requested these changes before, but the response was the sources are not "reliable enough" - I'd really appreciate a second look, because these sources are independent, everything is accurate and the changes we are asking for are minor, but extremely important.

The proposed changes are as follows (I have bolded proposed changes):

1) Jamie B. Waller (born 21 February 1979)[1] is a British entrepreneur and businessman. '''He founded the debt collection company JBW Group in 2004 and then Hito (A FinTech company) which he founded in 2016 Hito. He sold both businesses for over £40m BM Magazine Startups and now operates a £13m private equity fund, Firestarters.co.uk the times. He is married with two children and lives in London.

'''

2) Charities

Could we add a section called "Charities" with the following copy

'''In 2017 the Jamie Waller foundation (http://www.jamiewaller.co.uk/foundation/) was set-up and is currently supporting a number of causes including The Princes Trust princes trust link, Enterprise Scheme where Waller is Patron of the Trust and The Imps Motorcycle Display Team where Waller was once a member Jamie Waller Imps Imps JBW. ''' 3) Early Life and Education

Could we add...

'''In 2018 Cranfield University names Waller as their Entrepreneur Alumnus of the year Cranfield7 '''

4) Under "Career" please could we add a section on "Hito Limited Hito"

'''"Hito Limited (previously called Case Dynamics Limited) was launched in 2016. Waller sold the business just six months after product launch for a reported £9m. Hito sale '''

5) Could we also add a section on Firestarters under Career

'''Waller launched Firestarters the times a private equity vehicle in 2017. Firestarters is an investment campaign that is focused on helping entrepreneurs and businesses that may otherwise be overlooked by traditional investors. '''

Change 7: Media Section

Could we add to the media section

Waller is the author of the business book; Unsexy Business Unsexy Business.


 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrookyTH (talk • contribs) 17:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * As you'll see above I've already discussed this with BrookyTH and also via email. I have explained the need to have everything sourced to independent, reliable sources, but still >90% of this is to primary sources and my suggestion to source something to the Times article about the motorbike team hasn't come to anything. SmartSE (talk) 19:15, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * This request was addressed on Feb 20 and Feb 22 by SmartSE, who on both of those dates laid out what was required for inclusion. The newest request contains older proposals from those dates, including the media section with the subject's products and a charities section showing the subject's support of WP:WORTHYCAUSES. The thresholds described by the reviewing editor at that time have yet to be met by the COI editor. 0.82em 19:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

02-JAN-2018
Dear Wiki team. I would really like to update my Wiki page as it's currently out of date. As you'll see we've requested changes before (via my PR) which were not accepted because the sources were not considered to be independent.

I've gone back through everything and have updated the sources and requests so everything is purely factual.

If you are happy with the below I can make the changes myself, but understand we need to run everything past you in the first instance.

Jamie

1) Please could I update my basic profile to the below... as I am no longer the chairman of JBW Group or Case Dynamics

Born 				21 February 1979

Residence			London, UK

Nationality 			British

Occupation 			Entrepreneur

Organisation 			Firestarters

Title 				CEO

2) Please could I update the section at the top of the page as follows:

Jamie Waller (born 21 February 1979) is a British entrepreneur, philanthopist and author. He is the Chief Executive of the private equity fund, Firestarters Times - Firestarters. Prior to this he founded the debt collection company JBW Group. He is a patron of The Princes Trust Princes Trust Patrons and the author of Unsexy Business Unsexy Business Publisher.

3) Early life and education

Waller grew up in Bethnal Green, east London. He left Raine's Foundation School with no qualifications. In later life he went on to study business at Cranfield, Stanford and the London Business School. He was a recipient of the Cranfield University Entrepreneur Alumnus of the Year Award. https://alumni.cranfield.ac.uk/Public/Page_Local.aspx?Id=719

4) Career

Businesses

Waller started working as a window cleaner and then as a debt collector but quit at the age of 21, planning to travel the world for a year. In Australia he started a business building and selling camper vans for other tourists Guardian Gap Year Businesses, before returning and setting up his own debt recovery organisation. Early in his debt recovery career he was held hostage at gunpoint and stabbed outside his London home. He now runs the private equity organisation, Firestarters FT

JBW Group[edit]

Waller founded JBW Group in 2004.

In 2014 the firm attempted unsuccessfully to obtain a legal injunction preventing the BBC from airing a Panorama episode critical of the company's practices. In 2015 the Crown Prosecution Service dropped charges against a man arrested for allegedly assaulting a JBW bailiff, concluding that the bailiff was trespassing and that the man was within his rights to use reasonable force to eject him.

In 2017 he sold the business to the Japanese Outsourcing Company, Outsourcing Inc. The Times

Hito

Waller founded the Financial Services Technology company Hito six days after selling JBW Group. In 2017 the company was also sold to Outsourcing Inc. The Times reference Startups reference, The Metro reference

Firestarters

Waller founded the private equity business Firestarters in 2017. The business invests in entrepreneurs that require growth equity. The business invests in a variaty of businesses including the car buying company: webuycarstoday.com The Metro Firestarter reference Growth Business Firestarter Reference Times Firestarter reference

Author

Unsexy Business The publisher Harriman House published Waller’s first book Unsexy Business in September 2018. Publisher Unsexy Business Amazon Unsexy Business Daily Mail Unsexy Business Reference

Philanthropist

The IMPS Waller was a member of the charity for disadvantaged children from the age of 5 until he was 16. His family foundation is now a main financial donor to the Charity after saving it from closure in 2015 BM Magazine Imps Reference Imps Online Sponsors Motor Cycle News Reference

The Princes Trust

Waller is a donor and patron of The Princes Trust and inspirational speaker at their enterprise program for young people. Princes Trust Sponsors

Media[edit] Waller featured in the BBC's Bailiffs TV show for two years beginning in 2000 along with other members of WiseHill and JBW staff. He also featured in the followup show The Enforcers, and the debt advice show Beat the Bailiff. Waller is a regular contributor to various media outlets including the BBC and Forbes Magazine. Forbes Contributor

Waller is also the presenter of his own Podcast series Unsexy Business Unsexy Business Podcast

Jwfiresrter1

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwfirestarter1 (talk • contribs) 10:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Reply 02-JAN-2019
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