Talk:Jamila dan Sang Presiden

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Jamila dan Sang Presiden → Jamila and the President – Per Wikipedia's naming conventions for foreign-language films, "the title more commonly recognized by English readers" should be used. Jamila and the President is the title that was used in the international release; the original Indonesian title is not likely to be the one encountered by the average English speaker. Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC) Neelix (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per current WP:ID standards for films. Numerous Indonesian films do not have standardised English titles, including (but not limited to) Loetoeng Kasaroeng, Njai Dasima, Si Pitoeng, and Anak Perawan di Sarang Penjamun. This one may have a standardised English title (at least as far as the Oscars were concerned), but having a potpourri of English and Indonesian titles in the same project is completely untidy. A redirect from Jamila and the President is completely fair, and in fact solves all three of the "rationale" provided by the guideline: searching for the English title on Google still gives the article as the first entry (example), the redirect is not difficult to spell for non-Indonesian speakers, and "guessing the title" will still lead them to the right article. Note that works with non-English titles have reached GA and FA status; Nude per l'assassino, for instance, used the Italian title because choosing an English title would show bias either for or against the US, England, or another English-speaking country. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the thousands and thousands of US-based pages using the Indonesian title — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * We should be concerned about consistency on a broader spectrum, not just within Indonesian film. The standard case is to use English, and it is only exceptions that do not. Nude per l'assassino is an exception for the reason you provide; an English title would show bias for or against a particular English-speaking country. That extenuating circumstance does not exist in this case; there is one international English title for this film used universally. Neelix (talk) 15:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the only mention in Google Books is Bodden 2010, which has the name in Indonesian not English (though he is talking about the play). Headline "'Jamila dan Sang Presiden' ready for Oscar" in The Jakarta Post etc etc shows that this film is known by the Indonesian title in Indonesian English. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.