Talk:Jamshid

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I did my part to wikify this page, but it still seems... questionable. He invented clothes? Is this an Iranian word or what? I am genuinely suspicious and confused. 65.35.79.245 23:52, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Persian Johnny Appleseed?
At first, I thought that this was nonsense, but now I am not sure. Maybe this Jamshid guy was credited with these things the same way Johnny Appleseed was credited with them apples. A real historical figure whos life story has become steeped in myth. JMHO Roodog2k 18:41, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

vfd
This page was referred to cleanup from vfd. See Votes for deletion/Jamshid.Vacuum c 02:12, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)

Former text
I started fresh. Anything to return to the entry here? --Wetman 11:56, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC):
 * Jam (or yam or ajam) means water or cold water. All have been used to refer to a legendary king and prophet of ancient Persian decent who invented clothes. (Shoes, bath rooms, iron swords have been credited to him.) A legend exists his magic crystal ball in Iran and central Asia. The city of Jamkaran in Iran and Jam Arak are named after him. Jam, and family Sheed as "Jam Sheed", had been mentioned in various ancient books, like the Avesta of Zoroastrianism.


 * The word ajam which is used many times in the Koran might be related to this name. Arabs have been caling Iran "Ajam country" or blaad-e-ajam for many centuries, and calling the Persian Gulf "Bahre Ajam" or "Bahre Jam."

word "ajam" comes originally from Arabic root "A'ajami" (= with a bad language), which was then refferd to non-arab nations. The ancient Arab did not know about Jamshid, which was then in form of "yama xshetaie " !

In the Avesta
Whenever anyone wants to clean this up, please contact me, if you wish, for Yima Khshaeta - the Jamshid of the Avesta and Zoroastrianism. I've put it on my to do list, but might not get to it for a while. As to Jamshid and Johnny Appleseed, in the Vendidad of the Avesta he is the Zoroastrian "Noah". He wasn't the "Adam" of Zoroastrianism, Gayomard was. The Ruba'iyat and particularly the Shahnameh are, of course, essential to this article. But be careful not to confuse them with Zoroastrianism. This article also still needs to be cleaned up in general. Khirad 08:34, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a page for Yima. I suggest merging this with Jamshid. RandomCritic 06:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Jamshed page
The fullstop has unilaterally redirected the Jamshed page to Jamshid page without even discussing this issue. I have removed the redirect but he continues to redirect that page to this page. I would urge this vandal to first discuss this matter, create consensus or move to Wikipedia arbitration.

Siddiqui 16:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not vandalism, it's a difference of opinion. Myself, I'd suggest moving the town part of Jamshed to Jamshed (town) and then turning the Jamshed page into a disambiguation page, pointing people who want the mythical hero to Jamshid, and those who want the town to Jamshed (town). Zora 19:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The fullstop should have atleast given some time to contributors to Jamshed page to consider implications of this move. There are many pages that point to Jamshed page and would also have to be modified in order to point to Jamshed (town) rather than disambiguation page. It required time and effort to make those changes. I agree that Zora will make the changes to Jamshed as proposed by her and I will cover for changes in other pointing pages.


 * Siddiqui 14:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I didn't agree to any work! I've been away from Wikipedia for a while, as I buckled down to doing some (ill-paying) work typing up a book of Polynesian art history. But it looks someone set up the disambiguation page ... so I'm hoping it's all settled now.

As long as people can find my heartthrob, the musician Jamshid :) Zora 08:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Similarities to Hinduism
According to the article, Jamshid divided the people into four classes (priests, warriors, farmers, and artisans). This division bears striking similarity to the Hindu caste system.

I did some more research on him, and apparently he was overthrown because "he claimed to be God". The following is from Verse 8 of Yasna 32: Verse 8:

Among those sinners, Yima (Jamshid), the Son of Vivanghan is known to fame. Desiring to make happy the mortals and convince his own self, he contempted the Almighty. I shall have full satisfaction with Thy judgement, O Lord of Wisdom, in respect of the sinners on the final day of Judgement.

This is confirmed by a Zoroastrian website: Dear Rustom and readers:

Several friends have asked me about beef/meat eating, Is there any citation against it in the Avesta?. There is one in the Gatha Ahunavaiti 32.8 about Jamshid eating beef but this is rather doubtful (see "Beef Eating Plea of Jamshid" by Ilya Gersehvitch) and although the Pahlavi translator of this 32.8 opines that Jamshid favored eating beef in a measured portion, it is still not accepted by the majority of scholars.The questionable words are "gaush baga xvremno" which I and Humbach have translated as "gratifying mortals by calling himself God", which Zarathushtra considered as crime, others have translated as 'eating a portion of meat of cattle'. which Zarathushtra considered as crime. Our translation is confirmed by Shanameh where Jamshid claimed to be God and was put to death by his step brother.

Anyone who is familiar with Hindu philosophy would know that one of the Mahavakyas (great statements) of the Vedas is "Aham Brahmasmi", which literally translates to "I am God". Is it possible that Jamshid's claim to Godhood is related to this statement from the Vedas? We already know that Jamshid borrowed ideas related to social organization from Hinduism. Could he have borrowed philosophical ideas as well? Hokie Tech (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Cemşid
in Turkish Böri (talk) 09:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)