Talk:Jan Antonovich Berzin

Requested move 19 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Jānis Bērziņš-Ziemelis → Jan Antonovich Berzin – Even though ethnically a Latvian, he rose to prominence not as a Latvian village teacher, but as a Soviet revolutionary, journalist and diplomat, where the de facto language was Russian, thus it makes sense to use the Russified form, which many of the English-language books do. As far as I've checked, none of the English-language books refer to him as either Jānis Bērziņš or Jānis Bērziņš-Ziemelis, besides Ziemelis was his alias and not his second surname. Furthermore, most of the articles of Soviet Latvians are named this way. Turaids (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per detailed nomination and per previous nominations, such as the one at Talk:Yan Karlovich Berzin. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No objection I created this Jānis Bērziņš-Ziemelis-article in 2015; I used this version of his name because he was listed as such in articles like Central Committee elected by the 5th Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, and I thought this man deserved his own article. Now, if an expert in the field of the Latvian society (which I am certainly not) points out that the name needs a correction, then I do not object renaming the article. Best regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 08:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the article. I wouldn't necessarily call myself an expert either and add that there are certainly different viewpoints among us, but, as I see it, the argumentation of the opposing side is mostly based on the fact that he was a Latvian and that we shouldn't Russify the names of Soviet Latvians, but that means trying to change a decade-long tradition of already doing so, which Wikipedia is not supposed to do. –Turaids (talk) 09:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


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