Talk:Jan Grootboom

Discussion 2008
Hi! I've edited this page to "wikify" it and make it more encyclopedic and to remove information duplicating what's on the website, which may be a copyright violation. Please don't re-add the material unless it's established to Wikipedia's satisfaction that copyright permission has been given; see WP:Requesting copyright permission. Anyway, readers can click on the link in the "external links" and read all that information on the original website. ☺ Coppertwig(talk) 23:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The source is "My Adventures as a Spy" by Baden-Powell, written in 1915. Would copyright still apply?   However, I don't think such a large quote makes for a good article. Zaian (talk) 06:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * According to Copyright situations by country, "any work first published before 1923 is considered in the public domain in the United States, regardless of the work's copyright status in its country of origin." In South Africa (where the site which hosts the story is situated), copyright applies for life of the author plus 50 years. Baden-Powell died in 1941 so it's been out of copyright in South Africa since 1991. In the UK, where the book was published, it may still be in copyright, but only just.  UK copyright applies for 70 years after the death of the author, which in this case would end in 2011. Zaian (talk) 06:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

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This page has had no expansion since 2008, and it has a single source which is a short story in a 1915 book by Baden-Powell. It could possibly be expanded using information in some of these sources:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEPto7eMOUo - stories about Grootboom told by the historian Jill Baker
 * https://zimfieldguide.com/matabeleland-south/matabele-uprising-or-first-umvukela-indaba-site-rhodes-indaba-site
 * https://www.thepatriot.co.zw/old_posts/retracing-african-identities-in-egoli/ - refers to his birth name being John Mthimkhulu, which he later translated to "Jan Grootboom"
 * Hillcourt's biography of Baden-Powell has several pages that reference Grootboom

Zaian (talk) 11:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)