Talk:Jane Goodall/Archive 1

Minor edit
In the summary box, her name is spelled Valarie rather than Valerie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.132.21 (talk) 04:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Minor edit (I can't make it)- The caption under her picture gives an internal WikiLink to Root &Shoots. This is not valid, while Roots&Shoots is. Vixwald 01:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

No jane goodall is not dead yet. Did you know that Jane Goodalls full name is Valerie JAne Morris Goodall. Yep thats true i discovered that today and i had the chance to interview her in person —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobalicious (talk • contribs) 19:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps under the "Popular Culture" section, it would be worth mentioning that Goodall is the subject of a "Jane Jane," a song by the well-known children's musician Raffi that appears in the album "Let's Play." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckagedan (talk • contribs) 19:52, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Flaunting scientific method
"Goodall also flouted traditional scientific method in her study of primates by naming the animals she studied, instead of assigning each a number, a nearly universal practice at the time." This really needs an explanation of how this is flaunting scientific method - Ace of Sevens


 * I think I removed the bias from this statement by saying she set herself apart rather than flouted. 66.63.68.222 13:33, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * When I made the above statement I didnt realise that I wasnt logged in. hence the ip instead of my sign I figured I should leave this now before someone goes to the history and flames  me for taking credit for someone elses stuff. Olleicua 13:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I hope Jane Goodall survives to be 100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.131.226 (talk) 15:02, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Bigfoot
I wanted to let all people involved in this issue know that The Jane Goodall Institute has decided to remove the content relating to Bigfoot from the bio entry. We have considered the points put forward by all involved and feel very strongly that this information is being added inappropriately, and is being placed here to further other peoples agenda, not to represent Jane Goodall’s work. Jane has not done any research on Bigfoot, it simply does not fit into her appropriate legacy. Please note that Jane Travels 320 days a year giving lectures and interviews on a variety of topics – to center in on a single interview in this space is inappropriate. We suggest instead that the content posted here be moved to the more appropriate location – under Bigfoot.

We will continue to remove this section from this point forward – and it should be noted that we do represent Jane Goodall in this matter and would point to the Biographies of living persons section of wikipedia guidelines when it comes to the future of this posting string.

Thank you, The Jane Goodall Institute.

Am I the only one who has a problem with the Bigfoot section? I'm sure she would rate comments about Sasquatch pretty low on the list of things she'd want in her biography.--Cuchullain July 6, 2005 04:16 (UTC)

I agree with both of these points, Working closely with Jane at JGI I can say with some authority that as far as major points in Jane's Life, The Gary Larson Story and the Bigfoot references could be removed if actually representing Jane is what the entry is for. while we all think that the Larson story is fun neither entry is particulary important to Jane or what she has accomplished and continues to accomplish today. - Bryce
 * User has added a section entitled "The Bigfoot comment" and a link to a NPR interview. There's a excerpt of the transcript here (on the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organisation website) in which Dr Goodall tells a talkback caller that "I'm sure that they exist". However she later says "You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to." I'm therefore inclined to delete the Bigfoot material, but I'll wait a day or two to see if anyone objects. Cheers, Chris Chittleborough 19:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC) Edited for clarity 19:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I added the Bigfoot stuff. The content of an article about a person is not to be chosen based on what the subject would want, but rather what a reader would find interesting. So I included it because (1) it's true (that she made such comments) and (2) it is interesting, even if only in a tabloid sort of way. However, I have modified the article so that it only appears as a minor comment in the external links. Hope that is satisfactory. Thank you for contacting me before editing. Tpellman 13:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I find it odd that the Jane Goodall Institute is so determined to ensure that no mention of Dr. Goodall's interviews and remarks about bigfoot are to be found on Wikipedia. I note the comments above "to center in on a single interview in this space is inappropriate", but it is fair to say that this was not a 'single' interview at all - not only had she agreed, then later pulled out of the 2003 International Bigfoot Symposium where she was to be the keynote speaker, but she provided a series of interviews for Rick Noll which appear on the DVDs of the symposium. I think it can be agreed that this is not a 'single interview', and that Dr. Goodall has given some consideration to the issue rather than a throwaway comment for NPR. With that in mind, it is my opinion that a short sentence is indeed appropriate for Dr. Goodall's bio. Wikipedia bios are not supposed to be written or managed by the subject or people working for them - provided that statement or section is accurate, can be verified and sources provided, then there is no reason why it shoudl not be included in the Jane Goodall entry. skookumuk 19:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Far Side Controversy
Is it really necessary to devote so much space to Gary Larsen and the Far Side? I'm a big Far Side fan, but this is a fairly minor episode in Jane Goodall's life. It seems odd that Gary Larsen should recieve more mention than Louis Leakey.

I wouldn't have an issue if the rest of the article was more substantial. Tune in next week to see if I flesh it out myself, or if I'm to lazy.


 * I agree; the Larson story is fine, but the rest of the biography needs substantially more information. I've gone over to Gary Larson and added the Jane Goodall story there, as it's probably more of a significant event in Larson's life than it is in Goodall's. I think that it could probably be shortened a little here by reference to Larson's article. -dmmaus 29 June 2005 05:22 (UTC)


 * If I recall correctly, according to Gary Larson (in The Prehistory of the Far Side I think) the person who sent the letter turned out not to be affiliated with the Institute at all. If I can dig out my copy, I'll check: otherwise if anybody has a copy closer to hand that would be good. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 11:02, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The Prehistory of the Far Side, page 167: "They [National Geographic] did some checking themselves, and an interesting fact was eventually discovered: Jane Goodall loved the cartoon. Furthermore, she was totally unaware that any of this "stuff" was going on." It does not say that whoever sent the initial complaint was not affiliated with the Institute. The implication is that whoever sent it was part of the Institute, but had done so without the knowledge or approval of Goodall. -dmmaus 23:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

(Back to margin.) Here's my attempt at a shorter version. (I think I've retained the important details.) If no one objects, I'll insert this paragraph into the "Biography" section just before the final ("Dr. Goodall’s many honors ...") para.
 * One of Gary Larson's The Far Side cartoons shows two chimpanzees grooming. One finds a human hair on the other and says to her husband "doing a little more 'research' with that Jane Goodall tramp?" Larson writes in The PreHistory of The Far Side (p.167) that the Goodall Institute sent a "very indignant" letter to his distribution syndicate. However, it turned out that Goodall herself "loved the cartoon". Since then, all profits from sales of a shirt featuring this cartoon go to the Goodall Institute. In addition, Goodall wrote a preface to The Far Side Gallery 5 which discussed the controversy, and praised The Far Side for Larson's creative ideas, which often compare and contrast the behavior of humans and animals. Gary Larson visited Gombe National Park in 1988.

Comments, edits, etc welcome. —Chris Chittleborough 23:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've just substantially modified the article. (1) I replaced the paragraphs about The Far Side with a slightly different version of the above para, and renamed the section to "References in Popular Culture". (2) I moved a lot of paragraphs into different places. (3) I delinkified years as per Make_only_links_relevant_to_the_context. (4) Reformatted "mostly taken from" note at end of "Publications" section.
 * Corrections, improvements and comments welcome. Cheers, User:Chris Chittleborough alias CWC (talk) 08:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Having just added a chunk of other material related to Leakey and the beginnings of Goodall's research, I read this section and thought it was time to reinstate this story. I've added it to the "Controversies" section. Why should all controversies be intractable?--Annielogue (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Awards
I fixed Goodall's Graham J. Norton Award so it's now correctly listed as the "Graham J. Norton Award for Achievement in Increasing Community Livability" rather than "Increasing Community Liability" (although I can see how that kind of award would be So Graham Norton). :)

I would like to suggest an addition to the Awards section. In 2012, Jane Goodall became the first recipient of the AAG Atlas Award from the American Association of Geographers. I was lucky enough to be present for her acceptance speech. http://www.aag.org/cs/awards/atlas. 98.118.18.71 (talk) 02:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)James Hayes-Bohanan

Cleanup/Expansion
I removed the cleanup notice as I think its fixed. if you disagree dont flame me just put it back. Olleicua 13:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


 * While the formatting has been cleaned up, this article could still use expansion. It's a big letdown that such an influential scientist should have a page where half the descriptive text is about appearances as a character in various cartoons. More on her career and professional life would be good. -dmmaus 22:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

References for this page
They are SERIOUSLY lacking.. there are only 2 for the whole article and they're not even inline references (ie: footnotes). This lack of references seriously compromises the general quality of this article and is no doubt one of the reasons why, despite its length and amount of content, it is still only rated "Start" class under the "wikiproject Biography" quality scale. I've just put up a "More references or sources needed" tag for this reason, hopefully it will facilitate some remedial action in this area. Kotare 10:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Reference 17 takes you to a 404 page in her website. I found an updated version. Here is the link: http://www.janegoodall.org/our-story/timeline/

Professional Accomplishments
I softened the language concerning Goodall's discovery of tool use and its impact on the definition of humanity. The previous version said "This discovery forced society to redefine the definition of being human" which appears to be a hyperbolized paraphrase of Goodall's own assertion: Previously man had been regarded as the only tool-making animal. [...]Nevertheless, my early observations of their primitive toolmaking abilities convinced a number of scientists that it was necessary to redefine man in a more complex manner than before. In The Shadow of Man, p. 37 (Goodall, 1971) The previous phrase "forced society" implies both a stronger and broader impact than Goodall herself suggests. If the original language is to be restored, it would be reasonable to find a third-party analysis of Goodall's legacy.

I would suggest including a citation to In The Shadow of Man, not only for this but for much of the Professional Accomplishments section. I'm not sure what format would be preferable, since this book is already listed in the Bibliography. Vogelfrei 02:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Frodo and Taco Bell
What is up with "Taco Bell gives Frodo the chimp extra power"? Is this merely vandalism?

Yes it is and it has been removed. --Cody.Pope 19:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments about Taco Bell and Frodo are all vandalism. The chimp lives in the wild in Africa and has never visted a Taco Bell. Please remove these comments whenever you see them. --Cody.Pope 19:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Parodied by the Simpsons
So I think we neglected to include the episode in the Simpsons parodying her. (where I think Lisa discovers that Jane Goodall was secretly training chimps to be slave labors to work to mine diamond.) The part I'm confused about is that at the time when I first saw that episode, I found it to be amusing mostly because I assumed that it had some truth or was based on some major controversy about Jane's work. Afterall, that's why the Simpsons comedy is so brilliant--because they parody real life problems/issues with cleverness. However, I saw nothing in this article about Jane that could possible tie in with that diamond mining parody. Sure, I bet there are people who feel Jane may be adversely influencing the bonobos or abusing them perhaps during her long years of study, but I would have thought the idea for that parody would be based off of something more concrete, more substantial, more major.


 * It is entirely possible that Jane Goodall has been secretly training chimps to work in a diamond mine. She speaks their language, she is a little bit eccentric, and no-one would suspect her. Who better to train the chimps? But until we have a cast-iron source I think it is best to keep this under the radar for the time being. -Ashley Pomeroy 18:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It should be noted that the Simpson Safari character was not Jane Goodall, but rather, a fictional analog named Joan Bushwell. However, Goodall herself would appear on the show in 2019, in the episode Gorillas on the Mast. This suggests that she is fine with the show's past treatment of her, not unlike her amusement over being mentioned in The Far Side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58A:8580:1DB0:E8DA:D24A:65D4:41BA (talk) 07:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Anthropologist??
The article states that Jane Goodall is an anthropologist. Could we either be a bit more specific or delete the entry? What contributions has she made to the study of human life? It is true that the article mentions her involvement in the redefinition of humans (although defining humans by their use of tools was rejected by anthropologist before Goodall's findings, I think), but that hardly makes her an anthropologist. I think the statement relies on a way too broad definition of anthropology. Of course, anthropology borrows from sciences of animals (as well as diciplines as philosophy, history, linguistics etc.), but that does not make an ethologist an anthropologist.


 * Anthropology includes the subfield of primatology; she is an anthropologist because she is a primatologist. See   subfields of anthropolgy. --Cody.Pope 21:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, according to this page, her observations were the first to challenge "man the tool maker". --Cody.Pope 22:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm an anthro major (my last class for an associates will be ChimpanZoo next semester, yay!). Anyways, primatology is often considered a subfield of physical/biological anthro. Primatology is taught by the anthro department at my school and primatology was a major unit in my physical classes (lab and lecture). We watched a couple Goodall documentaries in fact. And as far as I know, Goodall was the one to show that chimps also made tools, which caused the common definition to be changed. I know at least one of my teachers has said that. I'm sure a few anthropologists had complaints with the usual definition before she challenged it, but she is usually credited as being the one to really break it down.  Ungovernable Force  Got something to say? 06:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so she's an anthropologist. But still, why is her picture the representation of anthropological article stubs? She's clearly not the "most famous" anthropologist (Mead, Malinowski, Boas, Levi-Strauss). Most would characterize as being more along primatology than anthropology. So shouldn't the picture be changed? -- Wikigeek at gmail —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.163.213.226 (talk) 20:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Article status?
Seems like this article should either be unprotected, or marked with a 'protected' tag. 71.231.107.188 02:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's only semi-protected (probably because of the fact that it attracts vandals). I don't think notices of semi-protection are usually put on the page. If you start an account, after four or five days you should be able to edit it. If there is a specific edit you need made, you can ask here.  Ungovernable Force  Poll: Which religious text should I read? 03:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, they do have notices for it, and I just put one on.  Ungovernable Force  Poll: Which religious text should I read? 03:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For the time being this article is best semi-protected - not sure why, but people love to vandalize it. --Cody.Pope 07:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's semi-protected then how has 130.13.175.190 vandalized it 8 times today? Violask81976 23:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Prosopagnosia?
I see in the history for this article that the sentence which stated that Jane Goodall suffers from Prosopagnosia was deleted. The reason given for the deletion was simply that she doesn't, in fact, suffer from so-called "face blindness". However, Dr Goodall admitted in her memoir "Reason For Hope: A Spiritual Journey" that she does indeed suffer from Prosopagnosia, or at least a form of it.

I'm not sure this fact necessarily needs to be reinstated purely because it's true, but its deletion does speak to the need for discretion when deleting statements based on ignorant presupposition. Interestingly, Dale Peterson's comprehensive 2006 biography of Jane Goodall makes no mention of her Prosopagnosia. Nor does it mention her having gained respect for the biosphere and importance of the higher order primates after meeting Sir David Attenborough while she was living in Bournemouth, as the Wikipedia article suggests. But that's a whole other story! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Natedogg923 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC).


 * i found


 * this article
 * and this article
 * and this article ≈Sensorsweep (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Does She Really?
Does she really believe they are little cavemen? Anyway, why the long face, Jane?

Arkhamite 19:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
The criticism section is too heavily worded. Jane's methods will not be called into question. She like Dian was following the method first suggested by George Schaller in his study of gorillas, which preceded Dian's. Dian took over from Schaller. The method is to observe as an insider rather than an outsider. All behavioral studies wherever possible are now being conducted on that basis. If the animal cannot be habituated, then hidden cameras are placed among them! I knew there must be some good to that practice.

More importantly, the section really borders on being spiteful; however, it has a historical source. The spite comes from Richard Leakey himself in younger days, which he has since deeply regretted. Jane's mother effectively took Louis away from Richard's mother and for a while the young Richard hated Jane. Initially Jane had been using bananas to lure the apes. Those apes are dangerous, you know. Some people have been been attacked and mutilated. The apes were coming into the camp and the tents and taking over, so Jane devised a remote box system of banana feeding. Richard came to visit and reported to his father that Jane was not studying the apes as they were in nature. This caused a rift between Jane and Louis for several months. (See under Louis Leakey and the Virginia Morell source) She gave up that practice on Louis' advice and he reinstated her in his professional opinion after he came to understand the source of his son's dislike of Jane. Now, those incidents do not invalidate or call into question a lifetime of primate research! Not for nothing was Jane made a dame. That subsection is rightly tagged. A source is mentioned but it needs to be checked out as the language goes far beyond. what you would expect, calling into question what is now a whole branch of primatology. I'd suggest a footnote about her first few years. To me the subsection looks like an excuse for an ideological attack of some sort by wolves in sheep's clothing, say, the opponents of evolution. Dave 15:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this not an example of the kind of thing that should be discussed under Talk:Fay_Wray as regards apes and blondes? Certainly the Leakey primatology soap opera has come to an end and no longer must we discuss it here.68.84.17.112 20:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I added this section because I thought it was important it should be included. Goodall's conclusions are "scientific" and it is not the least improper that they should be scrutinised and opposing points of view debated. This is how science works - to be subjected to these ad hominem attacks i.e. be accused of being spiteful and a "wolf in sheeps clothing" merely for pointing out that some of the methodology which she employed was questionable (or at the very least debateable) is unnecessary and reflects poorly on the person making the accusation. However, having said this I won't deny that some of it may have been phrased a little strongly (I tend not to tiptoe around debates) - subsequent edits do seem to have softened the tone, whether this is a good thing or not I leave to future editors. Trewornan 16:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed non-encyclopedic wordy personal opinions by 68.175.23.87. There may be some merit to what was posted but that needs to be extensively redone. Myron 17:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that there should be more information about Jane Goodall being a prominent woman scientist and primatologist in her career because she is a role model for other females in those fields as well as females around the world. I am not sure if the ‘Criticism’ section would be the most appropriate section for this type of new information, but from a Women’s and Gender Studies perspective, more information should be available to help recognize her accomplishments as a woman. She has made extensive progress in how primates are studied and how we teach about their behaviors. In addition, she is a woman in a primarily male-dominated scientific field. Jane Goodall overcame many barriers in her career in order to carry out her famous research that is widely known and accepted in the scientific community today. I would like to propose a question about her life as a woman in Gombe National Park as well. Did she face challenges being a woman in a foreign culture outside Europe where she is originally from, where women are seen as lesser individuals than men? In addition, has she done any outreach to other females interested in her areas of expertise? She would be an excellent role model to young women because of her success and respect from the scientific community. Finally, Jane Goodall is a very interesting person to study because no other scientists or primatologists have come close to making such impactful gains in the field of primatology and performed as extensive research as she did. Youfoley (talk) 06:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)youfoley

Weird photo caption
I'm surprised no one else has picked up on the strange and unwieldy enlish in the heading for the second picture from top in this article; " Dr. Jane Goodall listening to volunteers about their group of Roots & Shoots." I'm just tidying the caption up now but I think the "Roots and Shoots" page which has an internal link in the caption- which is uncategorised and unreferenced- possibly shouldn't even be on wikipedia. Kotare 02:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I made a very minor edit to this section - changing the location of the word "Group". roots and shoots has membership groups - and that is what the photo is talking about - the Group being refferenced is not named Roots & Shoots - the Group is a Roots & Shoots Group.

Margaret Powers link
The article references Margaret Powers, author of "The Egalitarians: Humans and Chimpanzees". The hyperlink for her name leads to Margaret Powers, a fictional character in Marvel comics. While hilarious, this is obviously not the right Margaret Powers. I don't know if this is the result of deliberate misdirection or if no wiki page exists for the proper Margaret Powers, but in either case it should be re-directed or removed as appropriate.

Onouris Onouris 16:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Life with Jane Goodall
Jane Goodallwas not only a zoologist, but a primatologist. She was born in London England on April 3, 1934.She moved to France in 1939.She went and saw a list of jobs at Oxford University. She chose to be a scientist (of course!). If you think about it, Jane Goodall is a amazing person.You might wonder why this isn't very detail. That's because I'm only a 9-year-old. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.164.218.235 (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

False film
Removed the "1971 Don't Rape The Children" film entry (added 23:50, 3 May 2007 66.175.169.28). Forgot to fill the Edit Summary field, sorry. Exaton 01:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC) you are    my   biography    person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.250.170 (talk) 23:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism/Tanzania Hostage Incident
I find both sections of criticism and the hostage incident too one-sided, too destructive. I don't know about her comportment during the hostage crisis nor do I know much about how she conducted her research, but I am convinced there are arguments that defend both her scientific and her private behavior. Cheers. --Ben T/C 18:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I can't see how this particular historical event plays into a brief biographical entry of this kind. It seems rather pointed, negative, one sided and is only sited with an article from Stanford that doesn't speak to Goodall's involvement - mind you that the students were there presumably under the auspices of a University - Not Jane Goodall herself... I just think this is not an appropriate place for this kind of remark - perhaps the event should be given it's own page where the facts can be fully accessed and researched. It seems to me that there must have been more to the event and all involved than what is included in this entry. -Bryce —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Btugwell (talk • contribs).

Short of removing the section altogether as immaterial, I would suggest that whoever wrote the synopsis about the hostage incident elaborate on Jane Goodall's involvement (or, as they pointedly assert, lack thereof). For example: WHY did she refuse to contribute to the ransom fund? WHY did she escape into the jungle before warning the students of danger? To use a hackneyed cliché, there are always two sides to every story. Much ink has been expended about this particular subject, and encyclopaedia contributions should always provide as rounded a picture as possible. I seem to remember reading somewhere an OBJECTIVE description of the hostage events and Jane Goodall's involvement, but couldn't say definitively whether the statements posted as "facts" in the hostage-related section are entirely correct. Natedogg923 21:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should contact Jane Goodall about this or investigate archives of the Stanford Daily from the time. If you talk to people who were Stanford students at the time, it was a huge scandal. This is certainly an important part of the Jane Goodall story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.66.210.195 (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Reason for Hope, her biography, might give the other side of both issues. It would be good if somebody could add from the book. --Ben T/C 18:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I find this entire section on the hostage crisis not germane to the biography of Goodall. As this section exists today, it is has very little about the subject. I would like to see this section removed. -- Thaths 01:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, Dale Peterson's biography states that Jane Goodall was asleep in her own cabin, a considerable distance away from the students' camp, at the time of the kidnapping and that none of the intruders ventured that far up the beach, either before or after she is supposed to have "slipped into the forest". She had been awakened by a noise in the middle of the night, but thinking it unimportant quickly went back to sleep. The first she heard of the crime was after the kidnappers and their victims were gone.

Also, Jane's eight-year-old son was in the cabin with her at the time of the kidnapping, according to Peterson's account and others. If she had been notified of danger DURING or BEFORE the kidnapping, does it seem at all likely that she would have jeopardized his safety to slip through the forest to warn the students?

The only scenario that rings true based on the accounts I've read is that Jane slept, for the most part undisturbed, during the kidnapping and only found out about it shortly after the fact.

As to her not paying ransom money: so many governments and ambassadors were involved in the negotiation process that I seem to remember reading she was advised, in essence, to butt out. I also recall reading that the American Ambassador in Tanzania initially refused to allow anyone to treat with terrorists by giving in to monetary demands. But I could be wrong there! Please correct me if so. Natedogg923 23:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Tanzania section fails WP:BLP - immediate removal is called for
The Tanzania section fails WP:BLP and should be removed '*immediately*. As is often the case on Wikipedia, the references cited do not support strong accusations and insinuations made in the article. The Tanzania section is apparently only there because someone wants to cause a bit of mischief and raise the suggestion that Goodall's behaviour was in some way scandalous here.
 * Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material

It would be okay to include this section and criticism of Goodall if there was indeed good references for the widespread or authoritative suggestions that Goodall was at fault. Again, as is often the case with Wikipedia articles, a defender of the problem content will claim that there has been much discussion of this accusations or insinuations but fail to come up with any actual references that are actually support the accusations and insinuations made. They will then call for people to wait while sources are found (it is much more common that they never are or new, poor/unreliable/misinterpreted /inappropriate sources are provided) while the libellous accusations - or often, "neutral" statements which under their deceptive mask of neutrality pretend that there really is a public controversy when no evidence is actually provided of this - are allowed to remain in the article - often the first or one of the first Google hits for the victim-for months and years. All we have here is pure speculation accusing Goodall from a letter in a alumni magazine from someone who has no familiarity with the case - speculation which is immediately dismissed by the publishers of the original article.

I strongly suggest alerting an administrator to enforce this core policy if necessary. WP:BLP is intended to remove poorly referenced accusations against living persons (it applies equally to unreliable references and misinterpreted or inappropriate references as it does to no references) and to remove them IMMEDIATELY without waiting to see if proper references show up or not. The policy is intended to protect public reputations from groundless rumourmongering and badmouthing and to protect Wikipedia from legal action for libel and defamation and public condemnation and mockery as a harmful unreliable source.

Negative statements about people described on Wikipedia should ALWAYS be PROPERLY referenced right from the time of their insertion in the article or else they must be removed. I believe this should be immediately in the case of all persons, but as policy stands, it only applies to the living. But the current policy should be properly enforced (it is not widely so at the moment).

I will not carry out this necessary action of removal myself as I am sure I will be attacked as an interfering anon editor (actually I was a very frequent editor under a registered account for 2 years but left because of incidents like this. I only do a little anonymous editing now). 207.151.255.43 (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Something should be said about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.16.63.209 (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a source about this: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2013/04/11/op-ed-why-i-got-off-the-jane-goodall-bandwagon/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:37A3:57D0:AC13:5CBC:5D9:6507 (talk) 15:22, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Removed sentence
I removed a sentence about Frodo inspiring Goodall with a "demon ape theory" that doesn't really show up anywhere in the web... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.6.118 (talk) 00:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Transcript of Dr. Jane Goodall's Comments on NPR Regarding Sasquatch (Bigfoot)
Transcript of Dr. Jane Goodall's Comments on NPR Regarding Sasquatch

On Friday, September 27, 2002, during National Public Radio's (NPR) Talk of the Nation: Science Friday with Ira Flatow, Dr. Jane Goodall made a striking comment on her strong beliefs that large "undiscovered" primates, such as the Yeti or Sasquatch, do indeed exist.

The following is a transcript of the relevant portion of the program:

Dr. Goodall: As for the other, you're talking about a yeti or bigfoot or sasquatch.

Ira Flatow: Is that what he's talking about?

Dr. Goodall: Yes, it is and ...

Ira Flatow: Is that the message I'm missing here?

Dr. Goodall: I think that's the message you're missing and ...

Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Is that right?

Caller: Pretty much.

Ira Flatow: (Laughing) I'm out of the loop. Go ahead.

Dr. Goodall: Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist.

Ira Flatow: You are?

Dr. Goodall: Yeah. I've talked to so many Native Americans who all describe the same sounds, two who have seen them. I've probably got about, oh, thirty books that have come from different parts of the world, from China from, from all over the place, and there was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week which says that British scientists have found what they believed to be a yeti hair and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.

Ira Flatow: Wow.

Dr. Goodall: That was just a wee bit in the newspaper and, obviously, we have to hear a little bit more about that.

Ira Flatow: Well, in this age of DNA, if you find a hair there might be some cells on it.

Dr. Goodall: Well, there will be and I'm sure that's what they've examined and they don't match up. That's what my little tiny snippet says. They don't match up with DNA cells from known animals, so -- apes.

Ira Flatow: Did you always have this belief that there., that they, that they existed?

Dr. Goodall: Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. (Chuckles.)

Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Alright?

Caller: Thank you.

Ira Flatow: Thanks for calling. (To Goodall) Well, how do you go looking for them? I mean, people have been looking, right? It's not like, or has this just been, since we don't really believe they can exist, we really haven't really made a serious search. Dr. Goodall: Well, there are people looking. There are very ardent groups in Russia, and they have published a whole lot of stuff about what they've seen. Of course, the big, the big criticism of all this is, "Where is the body?" You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to.

Reference

 * , Transcript of Interview, The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organisation
 * YOUTUBE: Dr. Jane Goodall Speaks About Bigfoot-PGF Normal Speed

Atulsnischal (talk) 08:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Nationality
Changed nationality to British because in the United Kingdom, a person can only either have British, Irish or both British and Irish nationality. There is no such thing as English (or Cornish), Scottish or Welsh nationality, so while she is undoubtedly English (and British), her nationality can only be British. Christopedia (talk) 00:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Dr Dame?
That title just seems very off to me. Surely it is Dame Goodall PhD, or Dr Goodall DBE. Dr Dame Goodall may very well be the right way to address her, but it doesn't quite seem right to me Sirrontail (talk) 21:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Frodo
Frodo (chimp), redirects to here but this article has no mention of him, at least from what I've seen. 68.160.220.224 (talk) 22:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

references in pop culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_the_Genius References here. Perhaps it should be added to the pop culture references...

There's a mistake
The article spells her monkey's name in two different ways. Someone who knows which is right and can edit locked pages should fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.211.18.56 (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Daily Show interview comment on non vegan birthday cake criticism
11/12/09 J Goodall appeared on Jon Stewart's Daily Show and they discussed criticism of her birthday cake containing animal products. I can't find any reference for who criticized her, how, when etc. Help? Amoeba Lines (talk) 05:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Gombe Stream National Park article
There is a lot of good material on Jane Goodall in the Gombe Stream National Park article. I'm inclined to think portions of it could be copied to this article, with a little editing. Any thoughts?--Annielogue (talk) 14:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

removed quotes in Criticism section
I took out


 * "I didn't see aggression to start with. There's no question that chimpanzees become more aggressive as a result of crowding, as a result of competition for food." (J. Goodall)


 * "It's very hard to look back with hindsight and say oh well I would have done it differently. If I had gone to Gombe and had access to information about the effect of feeding bananas on wild chimpanzees I wouldn't have done it". (J. Goodall)

and


 * "So far, we haven't seen any abnormal levels of aggression. We've never seen chimps killing other chimps. We haven't seen highly elevated territorial disputes. If I had to guess, I wouldn't expect to see it". (C. Sanz)


 * "I have not seen this kind of killing in Tai Forest. This violence is not always present". (C. Boesch)

- for two reasons. One, the formating seems to interupt the flow of the article. Two, they are not sourced. If someone wants to put them in with a source so they take up less space in the article (as part of a note??) then I for one have no objections.--Annielogue (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Jane Goodall isn't seventy-six. My grandmother was born in 1933, and she is only seventy-four. Jane Goodall, must be, seventy-three. Maybe seventy-four. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.81.199.9 (talk) 21:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Protected
I've semi protected the article and talkpage for a few days. Hopefully by the time it expires the vandals will have moved on. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * hi Elen, you have written for some days. its now 2017 and still it is protected!!! thats not serious, is it?! --77.56.118.154 (talk) 09:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

New photo
Dr. Jane Goodall photo: Besides sharing tea time, photographing, and videotaping Dr. Jane Goodall during her visit to Martha's Vineyard, I also published an article Jane wrote exclusively for a United Nations book I published in 2007 entitled, "Water Voices from Around The World.". I took this photo of Jane in the wetlands of Martha's Vineyard with children because she mentioned that she had very few photographs of herself with children while doing field work.

If you feel this photograph fits the tenor of your page - then fine - if not, that's fine too. Thank you - William Waterway Marks PS, FYI - Jane Goodall mentioned to me several times while I was hiking and sharing one-on-one time with her, that she prefers publications refer to her as, "Dr. Jane Goodall." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Grinsky (talk • contribs) 00:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I've added the photo. Thanks Span (talk) 03:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It should be noted that our Manual of Style establishes that we don't use honorofics for discussing the subject of an article. Thus, "Goodall" rather than "Dr. Jane Goodall" or "Jane". -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:51, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The article doesn't use honorifics. Span (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

chimpanzees as murderers
"Goodall observed dominant females deliberately killing the young of other females in the troop in order to maintain their dominance, sometimes going as far as cannibalism." This is hardly surprising -- or even disturbing -- considering that non-primates (such as lions and tigers and bears) do the same thing. What is surprising -- and extremely disturbing -- is that chimpanzees apparently commit premeditated murder. There was a Jane Goodall TV special about 30 years ago showing a male chimp, overly attached to his pampering mother and unable to live on his own, killing his younger sister. (I believe that's correct.) This story was later toned down, and has possibly been suppressed altogether. Chimpanzees are not cute, adorable animals. They are nasty, vicious creatures, far too-human. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 22:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Talk pages are for commenting on article changes. Do you have problem with the article as is? Span (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry it's taken three years to get back to you! My problem with the article is that it does not at least mention Goodall's discovery that chimpanzees commit what humans would consider murder. The article should be edited accordingly. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Last photo caption
Did I just go Back to the Future because the photo says 2013 and as far as I knew it's 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.0.97 (talk) 18:12, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Plagiarism
So I read online that Jane Goodall has recently been found to have plagiarized a variety of texts in her recent book, "Seeds of Hope" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.29.58 (talk) 01:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's listed under 'Criticism'. Span (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I missed this. The one sentence is woefully incomplete. I'll flesh it out. Yopienso (talk) 06:47, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yopienso (talk) 07:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014
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Leakey arranged funding and in 1962, he sent Goodall, who had no degree, to Cambridge University where she obtained a Ph.D degree in Ethology. She became only the eighth person to be allowed to study for a Ph.D there without first obtaining a BA or B.Sc. Her thesis was completed in 1965 under the tutorship of Robert Hinde, former master of St. John's College, Cambridge, titled "Behaviour of the Free-Ranging Chimpanzee," detailing her first five years of study at the Gombe Reserve.

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2015
Puck90 (talk) 18:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Please ad to Media section:

Jubilee's Journey:A Jane Goodall Environmental Adventure PC CD Game 1997

Jane voiced her-self in this game


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New Book -- 2010
I found this at Amazon: Jane Goodall, "Jane Goodall: 50 Years at Gombe." I would have added it but the page is semi-protected. Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors (talk) 01:00, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

"http://www.amazon.com/Jane-Goodall-50-Years-Gombe/dp/B004X8W72O/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=002D34SK8VD28EKHCQ3A

MISSING FILM?

If you Google "Jane Goodall Wild Dogs" you'll see a documentary / TV special that was released in 1973 under several names (probably one for the U.S. market, one for the U.K. market, etc.). While her name was in the title (and I remember the actual documentary --which included Grub [who was only slightly younger I was at the time] who does not appear to be credited). I believe this was mainly a project of Hugo Van Lawick --but she did play a major part in the documentary. Anyway, I noticed it missing in the FILMS section. From one of the titles, it appeared to be in the same series at the Hyena film that is listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.212.30.41 (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2016
in introduction: not her father that gave her the stuffed chimp, but her mother. That was not the start of her animal love, she said she had incidents demonstrating her passion and curiosity towards live animals since being able to crawl. 70.171.252.160 (talk) 02:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC) 70.171.252.160 (talk) 02:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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Its absolutly unclear, why this article has protection or even semi! that seem to be not realy serious! if some editors are overreaction about some goofy vandals, they should go and watch real life, f.e.g. the big cities in africa, southamerica or asia. --77.56.118.154 (talk) 09:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Father Mortimer Herbert Morris-Goodall
Mortimer Herbert Morris-Goodall (1907-2001) was a british car racer and a funcionary of motor sports. see f.e.g. wp.german. --77.56.118.154 (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2017
Jane Goodall Jane Goodall was born on April 3, 1934 in London, England. She was famous for her study of wild chimpanzees in Tanzani She was a   British primatologist, ethologist anthropologist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock250 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018
In section "Awards and recognition" under "Awards"

Firstly, update the reference for: "2009: Honorary doctorate degree from National University of Córdoba[64]" - the link takes to a 404 not found page. Here is a new reference http://www.unciencia.unc.edu.ar/especiales/jane-goodall (date of award, 23rd of October 2009)

Secondly, beneath it add "2009: Honorary doctorate degree from Universidad de Pablo de Olavide". (date of award, 25th of November 2009)

References: Link to ceremony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjqnHYrKP9o Link to press article on Pablo de Olavide: https://www.upo.es/fcs/contenido?pag=/portal/upo/noticias/2009/1120_1 The information on her official website is incorrect, as the University of Seville is a different university to Pablo de Olavide ( http://www.janegoodall.org.uk/jane-goodall/awards-and-distinctions ) DrawCuriosity (talk) 16:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:55, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2018
I have not made changes before in wiki. But I was trying to find something and thought that going to Jane Goodall would find the link to what I needed.

This is what I was trying to find, and it took my awhile to locate it...

Called one of the foremost primatologists in the world, Fossey, along with Jane Goodall and Birutė Galdikas, were the so-called Trimates, a group of three prominent researchers on primates (Fossey on gorillas; Goodall on common chimpanzees; and Galdikas on orangutans). The three were sent by Leakey to study great apes in their natural environments.

The above information was in both Dian Fossey's wiki and Birute Galdikas wiki. ****But not in Jane Goodall's wiki.****

I would like all three wiki's to have this information, so that others that are looking for the 'Trimates' would find them easier. I did not know the term Trimates, but knew that there was a name for the three of them.

If an editor sees this and makes the change, or doesn't, please contact me back at "anauthor@yahoo.com".

Thank you. Anauthor2 (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Reply 21-APR-2018
I believe this is the source you're looking for:

It would not be a good idea to add text taken from the other Wikipedia articles verbatim. This should ideally be rephrased in your own words. Any text taken from the Morell source shown above should also do the same. Regards, 0.70em 19:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done There is already mention in the article of these women being sent by Leakey, and of course, The Trimates article covers this in greater detail. 0.70em 22:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2019
Jane Goodall was honored by the government of Sierra Leone and made an Officier of the Order of the Rokel on February 27, 2019.

She is currently doing important work for the endangered wild chimpanzee population in Sierra Leone, which was declared the national animal during her visit. Hawanatu (talk) 23:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Her title
Despite being divorced, wouldn't she still technically be The Baroness van Lawich-Goodall DBE? Name change doesn't affect style, especially since she's a remarried divorcee not a remarried dowager. There is not legal requirement to take nor use you spouses title, nor is there such a right as such, it is merely courtesy. Such courtesy usually extends until they die or they stop using the title, however for the latter case there's nothing stopping them from using it again. To imply she is the "former baroness" is inaccurate as it was a courtesy title to start with.
 * As Lord Macnaughten put it in the case of Earl Cowley v Countess Cowley [1901] AC 450: "...everybody knows that it is a very common practice for peeresses (not being peeresses in their own right) after marrying commoners to retain the title lost by such marriage. It is not a matter of right. It is merely a matter of courtesy, and allowed by the usages of society." The divorce court, in the above case, granted the earl an injunction preventing his former wife from using his title; however this was overturned by the Court of Appeal, whose decision was confirmed by the House of Lords, on the grounds that ordinary courts of law lacked any jurisdiction in matters of honour.

Source: Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom < /br>UaMaol (talk) 05:18, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Spelling Errors: Goodall vs. "Gooddall"
Hallo folks!

I just wanted to suggest that someone with confirmed editing status could ctrl+F the article real quick and replace the misspelled "Gooddall"s.

Thanks!

RedwoodOxalis (talk) 04:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Minor edit
Someone with editing access is requested to change ‘Dr. Goodall’ in the initial paragraph to ‘Goodall’. The reason is the use of honorifics is not standard in the main text. (and noted is a full stop after Dr is incorrect) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:9313:B900:E104:CE84:4E72:72F7 (talk) 00:54, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Another award - Tang Prize
Jane Goodall has just been awarded the Tang Prize in Sustainable Development 2020. The Tang Prize is a prestigious award from the Tang Prize Foundation in Taiwan and includes a cash prize of c. US$1.3 million, so it is significant. The prize will be presented in September 2020 (possibly in absentia given the current restrictions).

I suggest adding to the bottom of her awards list:

2020: Tang Prize in Sustainable Development 2020, from the Tang Prize Foundation

Alphgal (talk) 02:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
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British People of Welsh descent
If one looks at the categories at the end of this page, one will see that Jane Goodall has been put in a category called "British People of Welsh Descent". Since Wales IS part of Great Britain, would it not be more sensible to put her in the category "English people of Welsh descent"? Vorbee (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)