Talk:Jang Song-thaek

File:Jang Song-thaek.jpg Nominated for Deletion

 * The above notice is somewhat prophetic, given that images of Jang are now being removed from DPRK media... Mporter (talk) 04:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Just in case it isn't obvious everybody please understand that the deletions in DPRK media are for political reasons and the deletions in Wiki media have been for copyright reasons. To date the common end result of images deleted has been coincidental and does not imply any deference on Wikipedia's part to the North Korean decree.  Note the notice at the topic of this page asking the North Korean Wikipedia community (such as it is) to "help" the project by supplying a free image.--Brian Dell (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Image permission
I'm sure if someone asked the Yonghop news agency, they would give permission to use in Wikipedia. After all the news agency is in South Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.161.53 (talk) 00:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably, but I'm fairly sure the photograph might have been produced by North Korean officials, Yonhap might not be the actual copyright holder. Küñall (talk) 03:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Then, do we have to get the permission from North Korean autocratic regime? Ignore North Korea. 222.101.9.92 (talk) 05:09, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Date of death
Sung-taek died on 13 December North Korean time; even though it might be somewhat strange now (because of time zoning), the correct time of death is that one. I have reverted one change which changed the date from 13 to 12 December, which is not accurate. Küñall (talk) 23:26, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "The once-powerful uncle of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was sentenced to death and executed THURSDAY [i.e. 12 december], the state Korea Central News Agency reported Friday."

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-north-korea-executes-uncle-kim-20131212,0,2330497.story#ixzz2nJCPgCJE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goti1233 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * December 12 is correct, and is North Korean local time. Many sources have confirmed this. Chmarkine (talk) 06:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup, some articles I read after the news broke said his death took place on Nov. 13. My fault. Küñall (talk) 03:09, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Spelling on WP main page
I would like to advocate that the spelling used on the main WP page being Chang SOng-taek, not Chang SUng-taek. The former spelling results in a more correct pronunciation in vernacular English.208.65.144.234 (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Most used spelling in the media is Jang Song-taek. I wonder why wasn't the move request made here... Küñall (talk) 22:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. It should have been mentioned here, and discussed. And it still says 'Jang' throughout the article. Rothorpe (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have requested deletion of the redirect using the former page name. I couldn't move it myself straightaway because somebody edited it, preventing me (and anyone else) from reverting this move, made with no previous discussion. Küñall (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I totally agree that the page should be moved back, but the deletion request is messing up the main page, as the article is now not accessible from there. Formerip (talk) 02:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup, but there's no other way to revert the move quick other than making the redirect useless (I guess that might increase chances to call admins' attention). Küñall (talk) 02:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've moved the page back to the original location, pending a discussion on the page name. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Page views
I wonder what the problem is with the page-view statistics. It gives less than a thousand views over the last 30 days. This is clearly wrong (compare the figures for a peripheral person, Kim Han-sol). Does it have to do with spelling? I don't know, but that shouldn't be the case since I clicked on the page-view button for this article. Kdammers (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The views counter takes some time to update. And yes, the views made before the page move may be found searching for the older page name. Küñall (talk) 01:51, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Wrong word
In the last paragraph under Rise and fall... it says "Analysts vied this as a 'striking' choice..." Clearly that ought to be "viewed." 142.166.231.48 (talk) 23:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, changed. Rothorpe (talk) 23:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Puzzling sentence
'Thought to have been particularly unacceptable to Kim Jong-nam were Jang's "continued expression of sympathy towards" Kim Jong-nam&mdash;Kim Jong-nam's half-brother and Kim Jong-il's eldest son&mdash;who is living in exile under Chinese protection.' Thus ends the section "Rise and fall under Kim Jong-un". A nam too many? Rothorpe (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was a typo - the second "nam" should be "un" - it's been fixed.
 * So I saw, thanks. Rothorpe (talk) 21:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2013
Please change the pronunciation given in the article. The pronunciation of the name Jang Sung-Taek is given as [dʑaŋ suŋ tɛk]. It should actually be [dʑaŋ sʌŋ tɛk].

129.2.129.236 (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Rothorpe (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Minor error on semi-protected article request
"...and many analysts believe that before Jang and Kim Kyong-hui had been estranged before his purge."

There's an extra 'before' in the previous sentence.


 * Thanks for the note; its been fixed. Gorthian (talk) 23:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Linmks
>> Former NBA star Rodman arrives in North Korea(Lihaas (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)).

Fed to dogs story has troubled sourcing
There's a good article here about the story than Jang was executed by being fed to hungry dogs. It was reported by a small Hong Kong paper on December 12 (whose credibility issues have their own section) but largely ignored by western sources until last night, when I guess it went viral. If we do include it, it should definitely be bracketed by the phrase "According to a report in Wen Wei Po..." Thoughts, opinions?-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 18:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Singapore Straits Times doesn't seem too much concerned with whether the story is true. They merely regard it as a signal from Beijing to Pyongyang. This seems fair enough to me. In any newspaper you never really have any idea of whether or not what is reported is true. Thincat (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I want satellite photographs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.231 (talk) 13:08, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 50% fake and true. But hard to verify.Phd8511 (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * "But hard to verify"; just like everything in North Korea. Quis separabit?  23:49, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps...Phd8511 (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I edit mainly in soccer, but was mesmerized and haunted by this story. Did some websearch and found this (please see here http://www.librered.net/?p=31459, in Spanish) and this (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/06/us-korea-north-jang-idUSBREA050DP20140106 i think it's pretty much the same coverage, but in English now), which confirms story to be a hoax perpetrated by a Chinese humourist, and Weng Wei Po was the first to "buy" it.

Not much of a consolation that Mr. Sung-Taek did not die in such a ghoulish manner given the extremely serious political situation of North Korea, though. Happy 2014 everyone, whistle if you need anything soccer-related. --AL (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Intercepted electronic messages might show exactly how Sung-taek died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.201.218 (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

analysts and experts
I've gone through removing all "analysts think.." which are just referring the thoughts of the same old singular analyst. We also seem to be using the Huffington Post as a reliable source on North Korea, which feels unlikely. Secretlady (talk) 04:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comments
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:51, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Image request
I've placed an image request template after failing to locate suitable images myself. Here's some thoughts: While usually the subject's death makes things easy for us because it's possible to use fair-use images instead of free ones, here it seems to be of no help. Specifically, the applicable fair-use guidelines forbid the use of images originating from news agencies as this automatically violates the "respect for commercial opportunity" criteria (WP:NFCI 10.). Every single image of Jang I have found is either by a western news agency or by KCNA and distributed by western news agencies. Particularly problematic are official portraits which are identified as being "released" by KCNA. Some foreign language Wikipedas use these photos but the use is certainly not compatible with our categorical news agency ban. I doubt these portraits are actually done by KCNA since they are not news photos, but we lack a definitive source on this. I've tried other sources than news agencies (ministry and embassy sites of China, Russia, Vietnam, Laos and other countries with close relations with NK) to no avail; all photos can be traced back to news agencies. One final case would be to argue that KCTV is not a news agency per se and use a screen capture, but I am not sure if this holds. Good luck! Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 20:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Rodman
I'm removing the Rodman story: "Former NBA star Dennis Rodman said that he saw Jang Sung-taek in 2014 and that he was still alive."(ref: http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140507000127&cid=1101 ). If he did say that, he was clearly mistaken.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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