Talk:Janine di Giovanni

Janine di Giovanni is trying repeatedly to push a self-serving bio
Someone, with little (i.e. no) history of Wikipedia contribution, is trying repeatedly to revert this biography to version that was deemed unacceptable a couple of months back.

It's quite probable that this someone, in its latest incarnation user "TheTzatz", is Janine Di Giovani Herself.

I'm pretty convinced that this is not acceptable from a Wikipedia policy standpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.228.45.48 (talk) 23:51, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Have tried to rewrite/delete large chunks that are fluff/unfounded/garbage Primecoordinator (talk) 22:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Untitled
This should not be deleted because Janine di Giovanni is a well-known war correspondent for The Times of London, Vanity Fair, and MilitaryWeek. She is also the author of "Madness Visible: A Memoir of War" (an expansion of a Vanity Fair feature), which was published by Bloomsbury and Knopf in 2003.

From the Times of London: "Janine di Giovanni has covered numerous conflicts for The Times. An Italian-American, she came to London in 1987. She began her career as a foreign correspondent reporting from Israel. Her book about the lives of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, Against the Stranger was published in 1993. Her coverage of the civil war in Bosnia for The Sunday Times led to a book The Quick and the Dead: Under Siege in Sarajevo. During the early weeks of the Nato bombardment, she was briefly taken hostage by Serbs. She spent several weeks living with the KLA within Kosovo, near the Albanian border. She was the only reporter to cover the fall of Grozny, Chechnya. She has won two Amnesty International awards for her coverage of human rights abuses in Kosovo and Sierra Leone and, in 2002, was short-listed for her work in The Times, uncovering police brutality in Kingston, Jamaica. In 2000 She won the Granada What the Paper's Say Foreign Correspondent of the Year award for her work in Chechnya and a National Magazine Award for her coverage of the war in Kosovo. Her third book Madness Visible, about the nature of war, will be published next year."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/displayPopup/0,,11501,00.html

As far as I can see, the 'publisher's biography' section should be removed. It's full of weasel words.Tomclarke (talk) 08:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The "Publisher's Biography" section was a direct lift/copyvio from di Giovanni's own website, so I have removed the section completely.--Plad2 (talk) 11:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016
Please add to summary In 2016, di Giovanni won the International Women's Media Foundation's Courage in Journalism Award, which celebrates women journalists who set themselves apart through extraordinary bravery.[6]

Please add to summary In 2016, di Giovanni's The Morning They Came for Us: Dispatches from Syria was published by Liveright; the book describes the every day terror of living in wartime Syria. Please add to awards Courage in Journalism Award

Please add to bibliography The Morning They Came for Us: Dispatches from Syria (Liveright, 2016). ISBN 978-0871407139

Rode Izzy (talk) 15:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")!  Paine   11:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")!  Paine   11:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 06 June 2016
Please add to bibliography Eve Arnold: Magnum Legacy (Prestel, 2015). ISBN 978-3791349633 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwithers123 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ – and welcome to Wikipedia! OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")!  Paine   05:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

The Nation Institute
There is nothing in this source about the subject receiving grants on two occasions, 2012 and 2013. I searched the website, which is how I found that she had received the Headliner in 2014; however, I still found nothing, no recipient list nor any page that confirmed that she had received any grants. I also searched the web and could find no source that confirmed that she had received grants from The Nation Institute. I'm not saying that she didn't receive the grants, but until that can be reliably verified, then it must be considered original research and cannot be allowed in a biography of living person's article. What's in your palette?  Paine  04:18, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

COI edit request on 05 July 2016
Hello, could the below please be considered for Janine's page. I have a COI in editing, but It would be great to add to the information already present and give a fuller picture of Janine's career and work.

This proposal was inserted at Talk:Janine di Giovanni/Proposal for further analysis. Wikipedian Sign Language  Paine  18:41, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Controversy Section
My name is Janine di Giovanni. I feel that the COntroversy section is unfair and contains material that is original research or sythesized content and uses a blog as a source that I do not think it appropriate (the Le Monde blog Decoduers) If anyone can help me with this, I would be so grateful. Jasmineinflames (talk) 14:50, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Ms. di Giovanni – as you may have seen, I have recently worked on your article to bring it more in line with Wikipedia policies, guidelines and general customs. Truth is very important to Wikipedia and needs to be confirmed with reliable sources.  Knowing that, I ask that you look at the proposal in the section just above, which is linked at Talk:Janine di Giovanni/Proposal and let me know if that page is more accurate especially where the controversy section is concerned.  That section has been turned into a paragraph, the fourth, in the Career section.  Wikipedian Sign Language  Paine   18:10, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much - I am working on this and will try to amend sticking to Wiki guidelines. Hopefully will have a new draft by end of the week, as there are many new additions - this version is outdated somewhat. Again, thank you for your patience and time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.156.71.11 (talk) 13:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Pleasure!  Paine 

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2016
Please add Janine di Giovanni is a non-resident Fellow in International Security at New America Foundation in Washington, D.C., [source:https://www.newamerica.org/our-people/janine-di-giovanni/] and at the Geneva Center for Security Policy [source:http://www.gcsp.ch/News-Knowledge/Experts/Fellows/Di-Giovanni-Ms-Janine-Di-Giovanni].

Rode Izzy (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Wikipedian Sign Language  Paine   18:36, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2016
Hello. My name is Isvila. I notice that the section on Janine di Giovanni´s wiki page CONTROVERY is unbalanced. The author wrote it as a personal Opinion piece, not a news article - and her attackers were mainly bloggers and trolls. The main source of criticism is a blog Le Decodeurs. di Giovanni´s other accomplishments such as her awards or her investigative journalism have been overshadowed by this controversy section, which was written by one of the attackers who overemphasized the negative.

Please change : Controversy In an article titled, "The Fall of France" that was published on January 3, 2014 in Newsweek, di Giovanni wrote an extensive criticism of the French social and taxation systems. Following publication, a number of points she cited to support her argument were deemed fully inaccurate including, "The top tax rate is 75 percent, and a great many pay in excess of 70 percent" when in actuality it is, "companies not individuals who must pay this tax, which only applies to salaries over a million euros".[25] Additionally her claim of milk costing €3 a half liter in Paris and nappies being free to new mothers were inaccurate as, "the price of milk, which they pointed out, costs around 1.30€ a litre, while neither creches nor nappies are free".[26] "Les décodeurs", the fact-checking blog of the French newspaper Le Monde, reported nine mistakes made in this article.[27] The article was also severely criticised by Pierre Moscovici, the French Minister of Economy.[28]

TO: IN JANUARY, 2013, DI GIOVANNI WROTE AN OPINION ARTICLE ABOUT HER OWN EXPERIENCE IN FRANCE WHICH WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT BY CERTAIN FRENCH BLOGGERS. SHE HAS CONSISTENTLY DENIED THAT IT WAS MEANT TO BE AN ATTACK ON FRENCH SOCIAL SYSTEM, BUT HER OWN VIEWS.

ALSO PLEASE CHANGE AND ADD: IN 2016, DI GIOVANNI WAS AWARDED THE IWMF COURAGE IN JOURNALISM AWARD AS WELL AS THE HAY FESTIVAL MEDAL FOR PROSE FOR HER BOOK ¨THE MORNING THEY CAME FOR US: DISPATCHES FROM SYRIA.¨

Isvila2016 (talk) 09:54, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as the section you are complaining about cites four reliable sources to back up the statements, whereas your statement that these are incorrect, and your suggested alternative text, cites no sources whatsoever. - Arjayay (talk) 14:54, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * It must also be noted that both the Hay and IWMF 2016 awards are already recorded in this article. Rules of engagement  Paine   05:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Request to add in more information on Janine
Good afternoon,

I work with Janine di Giovanni at the Council on Foreign Relations and I would like to add in some more information on recent work and appointments. Because of my relationship with Janine, I am requesting that somebody else add these details, which I consider to be fair and objective, and are properly sourced.

Janine di Giovanni is Edward R. Murrow Press Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. https://www.cfr.org/experts/janine-di-giovanni

Di Giovanni also serves as Adjunct Professor of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs. https://sipa.columbia.edu/faculty-research/faculty-directory/janine-di-giovanni

Thank you! Cwehrmann58 (talk) 19:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2018 - UPDATE
Please update! Thank you so much

I am not Middle East Editor of Newsweek but the Edward R. Murrow Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations https://www.cfr.org/experts/janine-di-giovanni

and a Professor of Practice at Columbia Univeristy. https://sipa.columbia.edu/faculty-research/faculty-directory/janine-di-giovanni

In September, 2018 I will be a Senior Fellow at Yale University's Jackson Institute of GLobal Affairs. 73.197.212.29 (talk) 00:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:07, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Insufficient references
There are no references given for the first four paragraphs of the "Biography" section where some huge claims are made. Please rectify this oversight.

Magnetic Flux (talk) 15:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested edit
I am forwarding an edit request by originally posted at WP:AFCHELP (diff) with technical help requested on my talk page (diff).

I hope you are well and you can help. I have two very large changes to make to my Wiki site - or to add.

I have been named a 2019 Guggenheim Fellow (Non Fiction) announced today on Page A5 of the New York Times (I can also send the letter that told me I have received one) https://www.gf.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/New-York-Times-Ad-2019.pdf

and I am currently also a Senior Fellow at Yale University Jackson Institute for Global Affairs http://jackson.yale.edu/person/janine-di-giovanni/

and a 2018 Edward R. Murrow Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations

Please can you add these? My page is locked so I can not do it

Many thanks,

 SITH   (talk)   18:47, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply 10-APR-2019
Regards, Spintendo  19:13, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * With regards to being a Guggenheim Fellow, the claim was provisionally listed, as long as the claim is eventually added to the List of Guggenheim Fellowships awarded in 2019, which has not been created yet.
 * The Yale University Jackson Institute for Global Affairs Senior Fellowship was added.
 * The claim regarding Edward R. Murrow Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations is already in the article.

Please can this be the headline of the page
Janine di Giovanni was named a 2019 Guggenheim Fellow for Non-Fiction. She is also a Senior Fellow at Yale University and a Professor of Practice. She is a former Edward R. Murrow Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations

thank you so much

````janinedigiovanni ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janinedigi (talk • contribs) 19:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit request
I can see there's been plenty of input here from the article subject and other Conflict-of-interest editing. It reads like a résumé. I noted that the entire section here was removed with the edit summary "removed an inaccuracy". The info is sourced, so claiming it's inaccurate would require some evidence surely? I suggest it goes back in exactly as it was. Thanks --DSQ (talk) 11:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2020
Dodgeretti14 (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC) Di Giovanni is a 1983 graduate of the University of Maine, where she majored in English. In 2020 the University of Maine Alumni Association awarded di Giovanni its Dr. Bernard Lown Humanitarian Award. The selection praised her for being "a voice for the voiceless" through her books, reporting, and commentary about war crimes, human rights abuses, and the plight of refugees. Dodgeretti14 (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * . Her alma mater is added, but I don't think the Bernard Lown Award is particularly notable to be included. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 09:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2020
Add to "Career": In May 2000, as the Sierra Leonean capital was poised to fall, she obtained documents from the Presidential Palace of Ahmad Tejan Kabbah which implicated the RUF rebels in selling blood diamonds after the Lome Peace Accords to individuals in London, Antwerp and New York. She gave the documents to (then) Brigadier David Richards, a British soldier, who later turned them over to the Special Court for Sierra Leone as evidence of war crimes. 

Change: In a Newsweek article titled "The Fall of France" in 2014, di Giovanni extensively criticised the French social and taxation systems. Following publication, a number of points she cited to support her argument were deemed inaccurate. "Les décodeurs", the fact-checking blog of the French newspaper Le Monde, reported nine mistakes.[23] These mistakes included "The top tax rate is 75 percent, and a great many pay in excess of 70 percent" when in actuality it is "companies not individuals who must pay this tax, which only applies to salaries over a million euros".[24] Additionally her claim of milk costing €3 a half liter in Paris and nappies being free to new mothers were inaccurate as, "the price of milk, which they pointed out, costs around €1.30 a litre, while neither creches nor nappies are free".[25] The article was also severely criticised by Pierre Moscovici, the French Minister of Economy.[26] To: In 2014, she wrote a Newsweek article titled "The Fall of France," which was controversial piece about the French social and taxation systems. Di Giovanni was working in South Sudan at the time and had been asked to write a "light hearted Op Ed" However, the Le Monde fact checkers disputed a number of points she cited to support her argument... di Giovanni still defends it as a light feature. 

Add to Alma Mater: Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Pakis Fellow, Master in International Relations ● Queen Mary College, University of London, Master of Arts in European Languages and Literature ● The Iowa Writers’ Workshop, University of Iowa, Master of Fine Arts in Writing ● University of Maine, Bachelor of Arts in Comparative Literature 

Add to Awards: American Academy of Arts and Letters 2020 Blake-Dodd Prize for outstanding nonfiction achievement, 2020  Guggenheim Fellowship in Non Fiction, 2019-2020  Helen Bernstein Book Award, New York Public Library, Excellence In Journalism Shortlist, 2017  May Chidiac Foundation Engaged Journalist Award, 2017  Hay Festival Prize For Prose, The Morning They Came For Us, 2017  International Women's Media Foundation Courage in Journalism Award, 2016  Headliner Award: Seven Days in Syria, 2014  Shortlisted for Amnesty International Magazine Award for Syria, 2013  Action on Armed Violence’s (AOAV) “100 Most Influential People Reducing Armed Violence”, 2013  Amnesty International for Chechnya, 2000  Amnesty International for Kosovo, 2000  Britain's Grenada Television's Foreign Correspondent of the Year for Chechnya, 2000 <https://www.aaespeakers.com/speakers/janine-di-giovanni> National Magazine Award for Excellence in Reporting, Vanity Fair Kosovo, 2000 <https://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/04/business/levity-prevails-as-awards-are-handed-to-magazines.html>

Okeepi01 (talk) 01:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 17:42, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Add to "Career": In May 2000, as the Sierra Leonean capital was poised to fall, she obtained documents from the Presidential Palace of Ahmad Tejan Kabbah which implicated the RUF rebels in selling blood diamonds after the Lome Peace Accords to individuals in London, Antwerp and New York. She gave the documents to (then) Brigadier David Richards, a British soldier, who later turned them over to the Special Court for Sierra Leone as evidence of war crimes. <https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2000/08/junger200008>

Change: In a Newsweek article titled "The Fall of France" in 2014, di Giovanni extensively criticised the French social and taxation systems. Following publication, a number of points she cited to support her argument were deemed inaccurate. "Les décodeurs", the fact-checking blog of the French newspaper Le Monde, reported nine mistakes.[23] These mistakes included "The top tax rate is 75 percent, and a great many pay in excess of 70 percent" when in actuality it is "companies not individuals who must pay this tax, which only applies to salaries over a million euros".[24] Additionally her claim of milk costing €3 a half liter in Paris and nappies being free to new mothers were inaccurate as, "the price of milk, which they pointed out, costs around €1.30 a litre, while neither creches nor nappies are free".[25] The article was also severely criticised by Pierre Moscovici, the French Minister of Economy.[26] To: In 2014, she wrote a Newsweek article titled "The Fall of France," which was controversial piece about the French social and taxation systems. Di Giovanni was working in South Sudan at the time and had been asked to write a "light hearted Op Ed" However, the Le Monde fact checkers disputed a number of points she cited to support her argument... di Giovanni still defends it as a light feature. <https://www.lemonde.fr/blog/decodeurs/2014/01/06/the-fall-of-newsweek-french-bashing-gone-wrong/>

Add to Alma Mater: Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Pakis Fellow, Master in International Relations ● Queen Mary College, University of London, Master of Arts in European Languages and Literature ● The Iowa Writers’ Workshop, University of Iowa, Master of Fine Arts in Writing ● University of Maine, Bachelor of Arts in Comparative Literature <https://fletcher.tufts.edu/people/janine-digiovanni>

Add to Awards: American Academy of Arts and Letters 2020 Blake-Dodd Prize for outstanding nonfiction achievement, 2020 <https://artsandletters.org/pressrelease/2020-literature-award-winners/> Guggenheim Fellowship in Non Fiction, 2019-2020 <https://www.gf.org/fellows/all-fellows/janine-di-giovanni/> Helen Bernstein Book Award, New York Public Library, Excellence In Journalism Shortlist, 2017 <https://www.librarything.it/bookaward/NYPL+Helen+Bernstein+Award+Finalist> May Chidiac Foundation Engaged Journalist Award, 2017 <https://issuu.com/councilonforeignrelations/docs/fall_chronicle_2017> Hay Festival Prize For Prose, The Morning They Came For Us, 2017 <http://fmcm.co.uk/news/2016/6/1/janine-di-giovanni-awarded-hay-medal-for-prose> International Women's Media Foundation Courage in Journalism Award, 2016 <https://www.iwmf.org/community/janine-di-giovanni/> Headliner Award: Seven Days in Syria, 2014 <https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2013/02/11/seven-days-syria/> Shortlisted for Amnesty International Magazine Award for Syria, 2013 <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/media-awards-2013-shortlist> Action on Armed Violence’s (AOAV) “100 Most Influential People Reducing Armed Violence”, 2013 <http://aoav.org.uk/2013/100-influential-journalists/> Amnesty International for Chechnya, 2000 <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/janine-di-giovanni-my-life-in-media-431194.html> Amnesty International for Kosovo, 2000 <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/janine-di-giovanni-my-life-in-media-431194.html> Britain's Grenada Television's Foreign Correspondent of the Year for Chechnya, 2000 <https://www.aaespeakers.com/speakers/janine-di-giovanni> National Magazine Award for Excellence in Reporting, Vanity Fair Kosovo, 2000 <https://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/04/business/levity-prevails-as-awards-are-handed-to-magazines.html> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okeepi01 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Collective guilt
Ms di Giovanni has recently tweeted something that implies Jews worldwide have a collective responsibility towards Palestinians and that the Israeli government is the government of all Jews. Whatever her views on the wrongs and rights in the Israel-Palestine conflict, why does she feel entitled to talk about Jews when she clearly knows nothing about them? Whttps://twitter.com/janinedigi/status/1470210066938744832 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.187.226.119 (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The tweet by Janine di Giovani has been taken apart on Twitter by Dave Rich. His comments have been reprinted by The Jewish Chronicle.


 * Philip Cross (talk) 20:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)