Talk:Jannik Sinner

German pronunciation
The German pronunciation of his name might be [ˈjanɪk ˈzɪnɐ] in the north of Germany, but definitely not in the region where he is from (South Tyrol) and not how he himself pronounces his name. The "S" should not be voiced, and the "i" is much closer to the Italian pronunciation [i] than being [ɪ], especially in "Sinner". The IPA transcription here seems to have just been copied from the Italian WP without critical attitude and detailed knowledge. 2001:4BB8:191:E97B:7449:2F9F:953B:E239 (talk) 13:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Sinner vs Tsitsipas (Tennis Tv - YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KA-SyGhjdY 93.38.66.168 (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Sinner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWpvAhyK2go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R38emPI5wTs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.38.66.168 (talk) 13:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zqYidARpjM --93.38.66.168 (talk) 13:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

…and “Tennis Corner” (YouTube) --93.38.66.168 (talk) 13:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect sponsors

 * What I think should be changed:

The list of Jannik’s sponsors needs to be changed. REMOVE: Parmigiano Reggiano, Technogym and Alfa Romeo

Full list of correct sponsors are: Nike Head Rolex Gucci Intesa Sanpaolo Lavazza Fastweb Pigna Panini


 * Why it should be changed: they are incorrect and Jannik hasn’t been affiliated to a number of them for a number of years


 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): StarWing Sports website, I am part of Jannik’s management team who works with his sponsors

Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 16:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Shadow311 (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Please can you inform me how I can provide what you need in order to get this approved? As mentioned I work for StarWing Sports management agency as part of Jannik Sinner’s management team. We represent him exclusively and handle all of his business in relation to sponsors. As we handle everything, we know exactly who his current sponsors are, and when he parted ways with his older sponsors. We want to update his Wikipedia page so there is no false information such as his relationships with Alfa Romeo and Parmigiano Reggiano and Technogym. Please inform me how we can update this false information, happy to have a call to discuss this or anything you might need in order to get this approved.
 * Thanks so much Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 15:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It must be published in a reputable independent source like the newspaper, a book, a tennis magazine, espn, etc. We can't take someone's word for anything at Wikipedia. What we have right now is sourced. Wikipedia uses sourced info, not truth. I know for a fact a lot of info about musical bands that is wrong here. But what I know means nothing... we must see it in print somewhere. Sinner needs to give an interview to someone where he states his sponsors have changed. Good luck. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Great thanks, please see all links below including independent articles + the official brand links.
 * Regarding sponsors that are no longer partners what do you suggest here as proof? As there would be no articles announcing the end of the partnership.
 * This is the most important thing for us to remove here.
 * Thanks for your help.
 * Intesa San Paolo
 * https://www.sportbusiness.com/2021/06/starwing-sports-signs-jannik-sinner-to-intesa-san-paolo/
 * Lavazza
 * https://www.tennis365.com/tennis-features/style-icon-jannik-sinners-big-sponsors-158m-nike-deal-gucci-alfa-romeo
 * https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lavazza-and-us-open-serving-excellence-cup-after-cup-301913957.html
 * https://www.lavazzagroup.com/en/our-stories/projects/sports/coffee-and-tennis-a-perfect-match.html
 * Pigna
 * His bespoke line of products with the brand:
 * https://shop.pigna.it/jannik-sinner-by-pigna.html
 * The biggest professional tennis event in Italy did a piece about the partnership: https://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/en/news/interviews/sinner-interview-title-contender/
 * Panini
 * His book with Panini comics through their partnership: https://www.panini.it/shp_ita_it/piccoli-grandi-campioni-il-manuale-illustrato-del-tennis-di-jannik-sinner-mcamp001isbn-it08.html
 * https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/videos/ATP_Tennis/105946/jannik-sinner-becomes-a-comic/
 * https://www.italianpost.news/tennis-sinner-becomes-a-comic-and-tells-himself-in-an-illustrated-manual/ Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, just checking if any update here? Thanks so much Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, be great to get an update here if possible please, also have an additional new sponsor to add, will provide the news article below:
 * https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/la-roche-posay-announces-jannik-sinner-as-new-partner-in-cause-to-raise-awareness-on-photoprotection-302056354.html
 * let me know if it’s best I set up a new ticket?
 * thanks so much, Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 11:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I doubled checked the many sources including those you gave. Some of your sources include sponsors you want removed. I checked 2024 press releases and per those sources Parmigiano Reggiano, Technogym, Alfa Romeo, and Formula One are still sponsors. We go by sources at Wikipedia, not word of mouth. You would need to tell those publications to write new articles with those sponsors removed. Or perhaps a printed retraction that we can source. You have to remember that Wikipedia is not a newspaper, it's an encyclopedia where. We "parrot" what is currently out in publication, and all those sponsors can be traced to 2023 or 2024 articles. I changed the wording of the section a bit to reflect that that things may not be up to the minute accurate. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your time on this, as of yesterday we also announced La Roche Posay as a sponsor, so could we add this one in? I will provide a news article regarding the partnership also: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/la-roche-posay-announces-jannik-sinner-as-new-partner-in-cause-to-raise-awareness-on-photoprotection-302056354.html
 * Would it be possible to move Formula One up to where the other sponsors are listed as of 2024? As this was a new partnership we announced in December 2023, so it is a new partnership and we don’t want it to be confused with the ones below, which are no longer sponsors.
 * As for the others, Parmigiano Reggiano, Alfa Romeo, and Techno Gym, of course we could provide contractual dates, but that’s highly confidential so it’s a little bit frustrating that we are unable to remove as this is currently providing false advertisement to these brands.  Is there perhaps anyone else we could speak to in relation to this as we are his management agency?
 * Thanks again for your time on this Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 21:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who you could contact. Wikipedia administration. The thing is, we only write what is already in print and sourced. You would have to talk to all those press reports (many from this year) that contradicts what you are telling us. It's why we must provide the sources to the info we place here. We have multiple sources that say they are part of Sinner's advertising entourage. As I said, if you could contact a newspaper or Tennis magazine and give them a list of sponsors (and those that are defunct), then we would report that if they publish it. However if a sponsor gets dropped a month later, until they publish a new story, we won't change that either. We are not instantaneous like a ticker-tape or twitter. We do verifiable sources not truth here. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok will do, thanks for your help - are you able to add La Roche Posay in as a sponsor in the meantime? I shared an article above, the official LRP page on insta also posted on their stories regarding the news Charlottepearce12345 (talk) 10:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I could but remember something. We are not a pr firm nor a book writer for Jannik Sinner. We should not be listing all his sponsors, just some of his main sponsors. Really probably four or five main ones. This is an encyclopedia not a book so we usually handle the highlights of a player's career, not every trivial detail. And then the lead section is the highlights of the rest of the articles highlights. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Jannik sinner visits
Hello all,

I'm not sure if including his visits/meeting up with Italy President Sergio Mattarella and Giorgia Meloni would be relevance to this article. I'm just curious if this should be mention somewhere as it happened recently in the last few days before editing it. There are articles in Italian and maybe English (did a brief search).

If yes that this is an appropriate edit, where should it go in the article? Soafy234 (talk) 08:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect sponsors
His list of sponsors

Some are incorrect and some need to be added

please see all links below including independent articles + the official brand links. Regarding sponsors that are no longer partners what such as ALFA ROMEO and PARMIGIANO REGGIANO and TECHNOGYM do you suggest here as proof? As there would be no articles announcing the end of the partnership. This is the most important thing for us to remove here. Thanks for your help.

Intesa San Paolo https://www.sportbusiness.com/2021/06/starwing-sports-signs-jannik-sinner-to-intesa-san-paolo/ Lavazza https://www.tennis365.com/tennis-features/style-icon-jannik-sinners-big-sponsors-158m-nike-deal-gucci-alfa-romeo https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lavazza-and-us-open-serving-excellence-cup-after-cup-301913957.html https://www.lavazzagroup.com/en/our-stories/projects/sports/coffee-and-tennis-a-perfect-match.html Pigna His bespoke line of products with the brand: https://shop.pigna.it/jannik-sinner-by-pigna.html The biggest professional tennis event in Italy did a piece about the partnership: https://www.internazionalibnlditalia.com/en/news/interviews/sinner-interview-title-contender/ Panini His book with Panini comics through their partnership: https://www.panini.it/shp_ita_it/piccoli-grandi-campioni-il-manuale-illustrato-del-tennis-di-jannik-sinner-mcamp001isbn-it08.html https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/videos/ATP_Tennis/105946/jannik-sinner-becomes-a-comic/ https://www.italianpost.news/tennis-sinner-becomes-a-comic-and-tells-himself-in-an-illustrated-manual/

La Roche Posay article below: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/la-roche-posay-announces-jannik-sinner-as-new-partner-in-cause-to-raise-awareness-on-photoprotection-302056354.html

Please advise if we can update this + remove old / incorrect sponsors


 * ❌ As I wrote above, we have sources that contradict what you want. December 2023 and January 2024 sources for the items you want removed. I added Panini Comics. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2024
In the infobox change the "Singles Highest Ranking" part "No. 3 (19 February 2024)" to "No. 2 (4 March 2024)". The same for current ranking. XaSauz (talk) 08:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌ Per the ATP, on March 4 he is ranked number 3. Fyunck(click) (talk)

Sinner, Italy and the German language
I keep seeing edits (mostly by IPs), which change content regarding Sinner's background, e.g., ,. Since I and others keep reverting them, here a few remarks:

Mai-Sachme (talk) 07:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Nobody who reads this article could possibly be confused about what citizenship Sinner holds. The fact that he is Italian is stated thrice in the first 5 sentences alone, and is mentioned and implied many more times throughout the article.
 * What readers might be wondering about is, though, his background, since many people (at least in the Western world) might notice that neither "Jannik" nor "Sinner" sound particularly Italian. The reason for that is that Sinner grew up in a German-speaking family in an almost exclusivly German-speaking town (at the last census, 95.37% of the population of Sexten declared to be German-speakers) in the predominantly German-speaking province of South Tyrol. I strongly feel, it is worthwhile mentioning at least some of that in the lede section. Changing his "German" background to a "bilingual" background is factually incorrect. It doesn't reflect the linguistic reality of rural South Tyrol and, even more importantly, the linguistic reality of Sinner's background: He himself is quite open about the fact that his Italian was poor at the time he moved to Liguria - not uncommon for German-speakers of the area, by the way.
 * The names of his birth place Innichen and his home town Sexten should match what our articles titles use - for good reasons, see WP:NBZ.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2024
Now he is #1! After Roland Garros. 190.196.36.63 (talk) 23:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I do not see it on the website yet (https://www.atptour.com/en/players/jannik-sinner/s0ag/rankings-history?year=all).
 * When it is up on the website, it will be updated. Soafy234 (talk) 00:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. per above. You may reopen this request if there is an update or a new source. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  02:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Innichen / San Candido
First of all, thank for the excellent work you're doing in this article! Regarding the specific point, if we should use Innichen or San Cadido, and conversely Sexten or Sesto: I have reverted your changes for a couple of reasons:
 * It's simply not true that "all sources use the Italian name of his hometown and birthplace". German sources surely never do that and, if you try, you can also easily find English sources using Innichen instead, , ... I'm willing to admit, though, that in all likelihood a "majority" of sources uses San Candido, since tennis is a sport organized along the lines of national associations and since the Italian association uses (understandably) San Candido. Anyway, I don't find "most sources about this subject use this name variant" a particularly convincing argument. If somebody expands the article about Sumprabum and finds that most sources about the town prefer Burma, should this usage replace the name Myanmar in this isolated article?
 * Our wikipedia articles about Innichen and Sexten use these names for good reasons, see WP:NBZ. Both towns have a large German-speaking majority. If an argument holds water to be used for the town name in the respective article, why shouldn't it be valid in other articles?
 * The Ngram Viewer indicates that Innichen is actually more common English usage (unfortunately, we can't do the same search for Sexten/Sesto, because Sesto happens to be a common Italian given name, family name and town name).

Anyway, what could we do? We could use something like "Innichen (San Candido)" or "Innichen/San Candido". But, honestly, I fear this might just encourage people to start silly edit wars, because they want it to be something like "San Candido (Innichen)" or "San Candido/Innichen". Having many South Tyrolean articles on my watchlist, I can tell you there are many unpleasant precedents for that... Cheers, Mai-Sachme (talk) 07:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just noticed this. I just want to make sure you understand that Google ngram says nothing about Innichen being the more common English usage. It says that in the books Google uses, Innichen is more common. It says nothing about magazines, news, radio, tv, universities, and any other media. It is a Google book search. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that it's impossible to make estimates about "English" in its totality, since we don't have quantifiable data about "TV usage" or "radio usage" and so on. But please note that Google searches and numbers says that Google Books "provides results that are more likely to be reliable sources", as opposed to raw Google searches, and that's why I wrote the word "indicates" above (I did without that word in the edit summary of my revert, though, that's correct). But for clarity's sake I can surely rephrase it: The Ngram Viewer indicates that Innichen is actually more common in English-language books, which are typically understood as high-quality sources in Wikipedia. Cheers, Mai-Sachme (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Agree, let’s keep the German version. Aldazuri (talk) 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)