Talk:January 22

Day of Prayer for the Unborn
Because of Roe v. Wade, this is the Catholic day of prayer for the unborn: http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/resources/january-22-day-of-prayer-leader-resources.cfm. While it is in response to Roe v. Wade, as there are 70 million Catholics in America, which is more than the total number of intentional abortions in American history, it is worth mentioning among the day's observances.

I would do it myself were it not that newbies like me are discouraged from editing the calendar pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusader316 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In an attempt to satisfy WP:DOYSTYLE, which article would you have this linked to? Toddst1 (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you mean a Wikipedia article, I added two lines to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_abortion#United_States_2 It seems to fit there, since the section begins with the mention of an opposing group founded in 1973, the same year. Crusader316 (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , how about Day_of_Prayer? Schazjmd   (talk)  00:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that looks like a marginally notable observance, probably not notable enough for inclusion in the DOY article. What do others think?  Now, if we had an article on Day of Prayer for the Legal Protection of Unborn Children, it would be a no-brainer.  (hint)
 * BTW, I replaced the non-reference in that section Schazjmd provided with something useful. Toddst1 (talk) 00:34, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

The USCCB website is as official and to the point a reference site as is possible for anything Catholic and American, and as I said, since there are 70 million Catholics in America, and we (yes, I am Catholic, obviously) pay more attention to the pro-life movement than to any saint's feast day (even more than St. Patrick!), it could not be reckoned marginal in any reasonable context, given that relatively little-known feast days are listed. Also, there is this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sanctity_of_Human_Life_Day The history section of that article shows the day is also observed by Evangelicals (the Bushes) and over 1.5 million (Missouri Synod) Lutherans. Crusader316 (talk) 01:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

If Wikipedia starts adding "Days of Prayer" to the section it's going to be flooded with these types of entries. It will look like a religious calendar and will totally change the nature of the section. I doubt there are any reliable unbiased sources that can show it is significant. I did a Google search and the results were Catholic sites and one story about the anti-abortion governor of Nebraska. It really seems more like anti-abortion propaganda than a significant historical event.  // Timothy::  talk  05:54, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was saying the same thing, perhaps selling it much softer. The desire to include this very marginal observance seems like part of someone's crusade.  The event doesn't have an article about it and I'm pretty sure if it did, it would be quickly dispatched at AFD.   I'm not seeing anyone else saying it should be included.  I think we're pretty close to consensus. Toddst1 (talk) 20:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No new entries are to be added to DOTY articles without inline citations to back up the date. End of. Deb (talk) 08:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The user's own comments suggest he is a block-evader, and his user ID is a huge red flag for POV-pushing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Full disclosure: I may have been banned some time in the 2000's, more than a decade ago. I don't even remember clearly whether it was a ban or a suspension. I was briefly suspended in a clear case of left-wing, anti-Catholic bias several months ago, which suspension would have ended long ago. I am on a different computer now because my old computer stopped working.

Now if we're through with the ad hominem stuff, how exactly is this day of observance, prayer and remembrance any different in terms of religion than the "Week of Prayer for Christian Unity" listed on the January 18 page? Also, if the page resembling a religious calendar is somehow undesirable, how would including the feast days of saints that even most Catholic and Orthodox people don't know about avoid that, yet this would promote that? As for politics, days of feminist, LGBTQ, environmentalist and other such causes are routinely included on the calendar, which is fine, because they have societal significance, but if this is really a neutral format, then that's a two-way street. I provided links that others could use, and I didn't add the day of prayer myself for the reason I already explained- that is, to observe protocol.

PS- If my user name is objectionable, why was it permitted in the first place? You could ban the word "Crusader" or the number sequence "316" from user names, yet no one did, and if there are no active user names promoting left-wing or secular causes, I'll eat my keyboard. Crusader316 (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Crusaders, whether by name or by action, usually do not last very long here. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ironic, since obviously some of the people here are progressive crusaders, so to speak. If someone's user name were "Che4Prez" or "Enviropeacenik67" or something like that, I'm pretty sure no one would have a problem with it. In fact, I would admire that person's honesty, because everyone has a "POV". The real problem is that some claim to be tolerant of diverse opinions- until they find one with which they disagree.

Comment by Crusader316 continued below

More to the point, if Catholics, Lutherans and Evangelicals all see January 22 as being of religious, social and political significance, then either it needs to be listed on the calendar or any minor holiday in celebration of progressive causes needs to be delisted. I think it would be more conducive to harmony to add an occasion rather than take away what might a special day to some on the Left. Crusader316 (talk) 20:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Does the Catholic Church have a day of prayer for the born, i.e. for the countless victims of abuse by priests over the generations? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)