Talk:Japanese-American service in World War II

Removed Emo Band entry

 * ''NISSEI is a post-rock/emo-influenced band from Vilassar de Mar, a village 12 km north Barcelona, Spain. It is composed by Cristian (voice, trompet and guitar), Alfons (drums) and Edu (bass). Its first Long Play was recorded out on 2004 and is called More Lights (CD/Bcore Ref.115). Who are their influences? This is a difficult question to answer, but bands like Fugazi, June of 44 or Karate influenced them on the early beginning of the band.
 * They have done more than 70 shows in three years, sharing stages with bands like Aina, Karate, (lo:mueso), Hoover, The EX, Las Dolores, Margarita, Maple, Nueva Vulcano, Veracruz, Haymarket Riot, Le Search, 12twelve, The Joe K-Plan, Za, Sibyl Vane, Engine Down, Les Phillipes, Zein?, La Monja Enana, Standstill, A Room With A View, Autoa, Kids Go Free, Miyahi, Ximel, Weeping Minds Of Silence, It's Not Not, Tokyo Sex Destruction, Logh, Hedtrip, The Cheese, Apnea, Cocodrilo, Half Foot Outside, Sick Of Banality, Unfinished Sympathy, Miztura, Spokane, Red House Blues and many others.

Not notable enough. -- Lincoln F. Stern 17:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Nisei?
What happened the entry for Nisei? It redirects here, which doesn't even mention the word, never mind explain it. -md 84.203.41.75 (talk) 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Initial text of stub articles created: Nisei and Sansei ...? --Tenmei (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WWII American servicemen
Japanese American service in World War II is about the soldiers and airmen in the U.S. Army and U.S. Army Air Force -- it's about the "service" of the servicemen. For those of Japanese ancestry during WWII, only U.S. citizens were permitted in the Nisei units. As far as I can tell, the HongQiGong are, at best, in service of no clear purpose which enhances the quality of this article. In the context of the full array of these edits, I would seem to have little alternative but to consider further such edits as mere vandalism unless I learn otherwise by reading a plausible explanation posted here.
 * (cur) (last) 04:15, 20 November 2008 Tenmei (Talk | contribs) (3,965 bytes) (Undid revision 252922704 by HongQiGong (talk)citizenship is crucial for these WWII servicement -- explain in talk) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 03:46, 20 November 2008 HongQiGong (Talk | contribs) (3,943 bytes) (Sansei, Yonsei, Gosei, etc etc are also American-born Japanese) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 22:03, 19 November 2008 Tenmei (Talk | contribs) m (3,965 bytes) (tweak typo) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 22:02, 19 November 2008 Tenmei (Talk | contribs) (3,961 bytes) (improving text with greater specificity in the introduction?) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 21:58, 19 November 2008 Tenmei (Talk | contribs) (3,808 bytes) (Undid revision 252827800 by HongQiGong (talk)think again -- only Nisei served in US armed forces) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 18:54, 19 November 2008 HongQiGong (Talk | contribs) (3,777 bytes) (Nisei were not the only ones that were interned! Issei were interned, too!) (undo)

By all means, if I have simply misunderstood, I would have no hesitation in re-examinging my perception of the purpose and utility of these edits and future ones as well; but without more, and in the context of a difficult-to-fathom strategy which evolved across serial edits at Yonsei, what else is one to think? WP:AGF is a good beginning, but it's only a preferred starting point. --Tenmei (talk) 04:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As I've explained in the edit summary, Nisei are not the only American-born Japanese. Nisei are simply children of Issei. Sansei, Yonsei, Gosei, etc, are also American-born Japanese. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

This statement is true. We can agree on its factual accuracy.
 * Two-thirds of the people unjustly imprisoned by the U.S. government during World War II were "nisei," U.S. citizens of Japanese descent who had been born in the United States. The accurate term for them is "Japanese American," rather than "Japanese." Their parents, the "issei," were immigrants who were forbidden by U.S. law from becoming naturalized American citizens. (Japanese immigrants were therefore forced to remain aliens until 1952 when the naturalization law was changed.) -- "Terminology and Glossary," Denshō, The Japanese American Legacy Project.

In the context of the 1st paragraph of this article, your edit is not intended to enhance quality; and for this reason, it is unhelpful. --Tenmei (talk) 15:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not arguing that. Your edit implies that only the Nisei are defined as American-born Japanese. But the children of Nisei are not themselves called Nisei. The Nisei article supports my edit. You are creating a discrepancy here between the two articles. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Quality of image
Although the image would seem like an excellent choice for this article; however, the poor quality of the thumbnail version makes it awkward to interpret. I don't know how (or if) this reproduction problem can be ameliorated, but I'm posting it here in hopes that it might catch the attention of someone who understands how to address the obvious problems. --Tenmei (talk) 17:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit wars and 3RR
In turn, both and  violated 3RR within 24 hours, but you guys took the matter to the talk page after then. So, I'm not gonna report this and filing the incident would not have any merit. This is a little courtesy notice.--Caspian blue 19:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, I didn't even notice that. But if I assume correctly, it seems Tenmei and I have come to an agreement on the edit. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the agreement was reached right after you reverted 5 times, and Tenmei did 4 times. However, this thread is just for you two to have caution in further. I hope Tenmei heed to WP:AGF.--Caspian blue 19:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think this qualifies as a wiki-"edit war" ...? Instead, I construe this unsolicited observation as another example of Caspian blue's heedlessly extravagant vocabulary.


 * As it happens, I found the exchange -- and particularly the points about which there seemed to be odd misunderstanding -- to be illuminating, helpful, thoughtful. I anticipate that I will be pondering some of HongQiGong's points for the next several weeks, especially this one:
 * 15:32, 20 November 2008 HongQiGong (Talk | contribs) (3,869 bytes) (do this instead, if you really want to hawk the word "Nisei".)
 * It is that verb "hawk" which caught my attention -- ignoring the derogatory connotations, of course. There's a sense in which I'd consider forwarding this vivid usage to the evolutionary etymology editors at the Oxford English Dictionary, not because of the verb itself, but rather for its novel use in connection with the Nisei. That was quite surprising. Frankly, I stared gape-mouthed at the screen for a few moments after I first read it and grasped the significance. I found myself immediately trying to guess how the meaning would translate in terms of the Japanese Peruvians, for example .. in 1946 or in 2008? --Tenmei (talk) 20:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought you would thank me for not reporting you, so you would be saved from a block sanction. I really could've filed this report on you,, given your constant trolling for weeks. I gave you a fine opportunity to rethink about your behaviors against me. However, needless to say, you're truly assuming Bad faith again on my notice and still you're working very hard to demonize me at Talk:Severance Hospital. If you don't mind, I would post this to WP:AN3 or you can ask any admin to review this. These diffs are all reverts--Caspian blue 20:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hong
 * 1st revert: 2008-11-19T15:53:26
 * 2nd revert: 2008-11-19T18:54:15
 * 3rd revert: 2008-11-20T03:46:11
 * 4th revert: 2008-11-20T14:37:17
 * 5th revert: 2008-11-20T15:29:30

Tenmei
 * 1st revert: 2008-11-19T17:21:13
 * 2nd revert: 2008-11-19T21:58:41
 * 3rd revert: 2008-11-20T04:15:24
 * 4th revert: 2008-11-20T15:21:42

Caspian blue - go ahead and report the 3RR violations if you must, but I should point out that even if we want to self-revert, that would be counterproductive because my last revert actually included an edit that Tenmei and I agree should be the way to resolve our disagreement. This is actually why I did not self-revert after you pointed out the 3RR violation. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As I clearly stated, this thread is only for caution. However, the presentation of the diffs is for Tenmei who seems to need to confirm his own edits, given his usual "vicious" (I can't think of anything better than it) comment on me again. Well, Hong, I do think that you're a fair editor, but if there would be more 3RR violation along with Tenmei in future, I have no reason not to go to AN3 per the lesson; People don't change themselves. Regards--Caspian blue 22:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you pointing out the 3RR, but I don't need a lecture. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you don't need any "advisable comment". The above comment aimed not only for you, FYI.--Caspian blue 17:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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Anon edits regarding the MIS
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 * "MIS nisei" and ""Japanese-Americans participants in the Japanese army and The Japanese Navy" are two different things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.63.155.110 (talk) 03:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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