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Interesting
This is interesting Mark Richards 23:34, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I looked on the redlist, and couldn't find it. Mark Richards 23:44, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Picture correct?
Can someone check if this is the correct picture? I think the spider crab is much bigger and thinner. Thanks. Punchi
 * Well that is how it was identified on the NOAA picture gallery. I've updated the image source info to give a direct link. There are a number of species of spider crab, which seem to range in size and spindlyness. However, if I do a Google image search for other examples of 'Japanese Spider Crab', most appear to have a blotchy red on cream colouring although the body shape looks similar. -- Solipsist 13:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * The picture half way down this page looks more impressive. However the one in the foreground of this page looks very similar apart from the colouring. I remember eating these crab at a fish market in Hakodate Japan and many of the crabs for sale had been cooked which might account for the change in colour (if so it would be better to have an image with natural colouring). -- Solipsist 13:45, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * One more example, which I guess is the link that Mark Richards was going for above. This one looks quite similar and is less mottled, although the colour is still more red. More crucially none of these examples show much in the way of spikes on their legs, which makes me suspect the NOAA may have it wrong (or its another spider crab, but not a Japanese spider crab). -- Solipsist 13:54, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * An anon has just relabeled the picture as a 'King crab'. This isn't quite the right way to do it, but it also lends weight to the argument that it is the wrong picture. - Solipsist 19:37, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * The largest arthropod page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_organisms#Arthropods_.28Arthropoda.29 uses this picture but the text cites a smaller leg span. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.110.186 (talk) 11:15, 31 December 2016 (UTC)  So... I removed the claimed 5.5m span and replaced it with the 3.8m span which cites the G.B of Records and is widely cited online.

Giant Enemy Crab
Well I deleted the "giant crabs in popular fiction" section. It's pretty much just an excuse to make fun of PS3's E3 press conference.--Foot Dragoon 06:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like someone put it back. The thing is, even if we decide to keep the section, the Genji 2 "giant enemy crabs" are in all likelihood NOT the same species as the crabs in this article. This probably applies at least one of the other three listed too. Just because it's a fictional oversized crab, doesn't mean it somehow fits in an article of about a species of crab that just so happens to be very large. The Katamari Damacy one at least specifically says it's a Japanese spider crab, not just "a giant crab" like the other ones do, but for now, I'm just deleting the Genji 2 reference. --Foot Dragoon 08:58, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that this section doesn't belong in the Japanese spider crab article, but I don't want to see it completely deleted. Perhaps we could decide upon a better place to move it; such as the article on Crabs in general, or maybe something like List of giant animals in fiction? ~ Booyabazooka 18:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it belongs out of the article. Storing it here, though. I still want it moved.
 * Giant crabs in fiction
 * The Bethesda Softworks game The Elder Scrolls series features giant crabs.
 * The Playstation 2 games Katamari Damacy and We Love Katamari both feature giant spider crabs.
 * At the end of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine, the scene of dying Earth is dominated by giant crabs.
 * The Playstation 3 game Genji 2 will feature a giant enemy crab.

~ Booyabazooka 00:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

''The Japanese spider crab can be seen in the Genji 2 video game for the PlayStation 3. A reference is made to the existence of a large crab that one must flip over in order to attack the weak point for massive damage.''

As far as I can tell, it is NOT a Japanese spider crab...

It's clearly not the same species but you have to admit the reference is HILARIOUS Myahon 23:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So... Macrocheira sp. cannot be flipped on its back for MASSIVE damage?... xD And I agree. The GECrab looks proportionally more like a common crab than a spider crab, though the refference of "actual japanese history" make this connection inevedable.--92.118.191.48 (talk) 17:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There's another reference to the Japanese spider crab in the game Monster Hunter Freedom 2 and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite. It appears as a boss monster named Shen Gao Ren. the only thing that is different, seems to be the eyes, and that it has the shell of another monster on it's back, kind of like a hermit crab. so it is entirely possible that it is a reference or is based off of the Japanese giant spider crab.::

-courtesy of Zeno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.150.182.2 (talk) 23:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Request Protection
Link posted in many posts on the Gamespot forums, Request Protection due to prevent vandalism Disturbedone465 09:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Could we have some sort of mention of Genji 2 in there???
Its really the only way to stop the "vandalism"

I'm sure you could put a mention about this in the article on Genji 2. As it is now, some (relatively) obscure videogame doesn't really merit a reference in an article about a crab. Can you imagine how many hundreds of entries long a "popular culture mentions" section on other animal articles would be, e.g. Cow and Cat? -- Cyde↔Weys 17:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree cyde weys. This article should have a mention of it because it IS in popular culture now, and should be noted.  Most people don't believe giant crabs exist, and this would be a good place to show the truth. Malamockq 21:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The article itself shows that giant crabs exist. Perhaps what you're thinking of is putting a link to this page from Genji 2?  Also, is the animal in Genji 2 actually a Japanese spider crab, or just a big crab? 22:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be added. In Genji 2 rthough the giant enemy crab is about the hieght of two men, and abou 5 yards in diameter.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 14:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The thing is, the Japanese spider crab has NOTHING to do with the Genji 2 Giant Enemy Crab, other than being from Japan, and the giant enemy crab doesn't exist. Yes, large species of crabs exist, but that's totally irrelevant to a giant monster crab from a video game. It'd be like adding in a mention of Jabu Jabu into an article about sperm whales. --Foot Dragoon 05:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * But the Giant Enemy Crab is giant, Japanese, and a crab. The Japanese spider crab is giant, Japanese, and a crab. How many giant Japanese crabs do you know? Why would they add a giant crab into a game about Japan without some background material? Could that all really be a coincidence? --Piroteknix 01:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * § I know a lot about the japanise spider crab i,ve seen them when i was in japan if u want more info on them (from a reliable sorse) you can go to http://420chan.com/and look for the member HeadFullOfGrass420 and i'll give u all of the information u could want on the Spider Crab off of east asia! § --CrazzyPhyco2Eatu 04:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * i meant to put http://420chan.org/ srry but yeah hit me up (I LIKE PIE)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazzYPhyco2EatU (talk • contribs) 17:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protect?
I'm Sugjusting this arctial be semiprotected just so every one knows Deuxhero 18:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

More characteristics
What do they feed on? How about their disposition? Do they or their subspecies or mutation attack people as some reports claimed?


 * 0 Now that's a large crab... looks tasty...

Why can't we talk about massive damagae?
 * It doesn't relate to the subject of the article. ~ Booya Bazooka 05:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Width of open claws
Hi, Long time reader, first time writer. My apologies if i am not conforming with the system. The info about the claw span seems to me to be entirely incorrect "The claws of male specimens become longer than its legs, and a large male's claws, when opened, can widen to more than 3 metres. Unconfirmed reports suggest a maximum spread of nearly 7 metres [1]." I work at the national museum of New Zealand and we have a massive specimen of on of these crabs and there is no chance of its claw opening wider than half a metre i believe. The claws themselves are on very long legs which could have a long legspa but if you look at the picture you can see that the claws of this crab are actually relativly small for the size of the crab itself. I think this needs revising.203.97.237.98 02:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The by all means change it, preferably with a reference to back up the assertion. I agree that several metres is credible for a legspan, but not for a claw opening. I suspect that someone has got confused at some point. --Stemonitis 13:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it refers to the limbs which have claws on the end (presumably the longest) and thus the maximum leg spread. Mgiganteus1 15:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I would change it but am not sure how the editing on Wiki works really, This is the first time i've actually done this and would much apreciate if some one took the liberty for me. I do not have any actual reference to quote unfortunately except that every day i see one of these crabs and even a 1 metre claw span seems to be exagerated. In responce to Mgiganteus1, Your prob right that it means the limbs that the claws are on (which you are correct in presuming to be the longest) but that is not what it says, It refers specifically to the claws opening. I know anyone is encouraged to edit Wiki, but it would be appreciated if someone would do it for me on this occasion as i am still just finding my wikifeet! Thanks.203.97.237.98

can someone add interwiki to the protected article?
just copy and paste:

סרטן עכביש יפני —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.1.211.131 (talk) 15:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Consider it done. Unregistered users can ask for edits to be made by adding editprotected to the talk page of the article in question. --Stemonitis 17:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * tnx for the info and thank you for the edit. 89.1.178.27 21:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

B Class
This is not a B class article, because it doesnt adhere to that classes guidelines, i have now changed it to start class Ummagumma23 20:41 07 October 2007 (UTC).

Catching in Spring?
The article says, in three successive paragraphs:
 * ...In spring, they can often be found laying eggs in waters as shallow as 50 m.
 * ...Catching of the crab is forbidden during the spring, when it lays its eggs.
 * ...there are efforts to protect them. In Wakayama Prefecture, the crabs are caught when they move to shallower waters in the spring.

Can someone who knows about this creature try to reconcile this a bit? --Ossipewsk (talk) 01:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Living fossil?
The only references on fossil Macrocheira I could find are Tertiary occurrences (Miocene, Oligocene (Macrocheira teglandi). That's a bit 'recent' to talk about living fossils isn't it? Especially when there are no references to M. kaempferi itself. Lycaon (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

War of the worlds film?
"The appearance of the Japanese spider crab served as the inspiration for the machines which invaded the Earth in the 1953 film The War of the Worlds." this seems a little strange, as the 1953 film features floating vessels which bear little resemblance to spider crabs. Is it possible that the cited article may have been misinterpreted, as the original descriptions of the tripods and the illustrations from jeff wayne's musical version both seem far more likely to have been inspired by japanese spider crabs than the 1953 film incarnations.


 * The original source (last paragraph) is ambiguous as to whether it's referring to the film or the 1938 radio play. The source actually says the design of the machines is said to have been based on the spider crab, apparently reflecting uncertainty of the author.  I'm not sure whether this source is authoritive, and I couldn't find anything to collaborate the claim from a brief google search or by searching H. G. Wells, The War of the Worlds, or their associated talk pages and talk page archives.  So I've deleted the claim.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 05:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

French quote
The last section says "Temminck, in his original description, noted that "on dit, que ce Crustacé est redouté des habitants par les blessures graves, qu'il est en état de faire au moyen de ses fortes serres" ("it is said that this crustacean is known to the Japanese for the serious injuries it can cause with its strong claws")." Does quoting it in French and then translating to English really add anything?173.115.127.13 (talk) 16:45, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. The quote as a whole didn't seem crucial to me, so I removed it from the prose but kept it in the ref, where it's still useful for verification. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 00:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For which purpose, retaining the translation is probably helpful, too. --Stemonitis (talk)

Romanization
I'm not an expert, but I think the romanization of the crab's Japanese name is wrong. The first two kanji in the name are "taka", high or tall, and "ashi", leg. Looking at the hiragana (| seen here), the "ka" at the end of "taka" and the "a" at the beginning of "ashi" are separate sounds. When two vowels are seperated like that when romanized, aren't they usually separated by an apostrophe, instead of using a macron? Macrons are used for extended vowels in Hepburn romanization of Japanese words, and in this case it's a "ka" followed by an "a", rather than a single long "ka". Could someone maybe verify this and make a correction? 173.30.220.79 (talk) 02:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You're correct, the macron is wrong and I've fixed this. Apostrophes are only used when the word boundary would otherwise be unclear (kinen vs kin'en), which is not the case here; a hyphen is strictly speaking unnecessary, but might not be a bad idea. Jpatokal (talk) 04:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

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how long is molting?
The article says "It also has a unique molting behavior that occurs for 103 minutes." The footnoted article is about one observation of one individual in captivity, where the molt took "about 103 minutes." Certainly not supportive of what the article says.--142.163.194.161 (talk) 12:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)