Talk:Japanese street fashion

Proposed Merge with Street fashion

 * Street fashion is not exlusively Japanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.179.97.91 (talk) 10:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This article deals heavily with the Street aspect of Japanese style and as such, it should be merged with the recently created article Street fashion. Otherwise, article should be greatly expanded and much more notable than its current form. --C A L L A M . R O D Y A 03:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)i suck cock

Ondog 07:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "Today, teen street fashion in Japan is more like the punk style in the United States. Black and purple are the most poplar colors in this fashion." Quite a weird claim as, to my knowledge, there's a heavy European influence on girls' fashion in Japan. And black and purple??
 * I changed it around a little, but it still needs a lot of work Calicore 02:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have completely re-written the article, and merged "Street Fashion" into this article now. What are your thoughts? Xumm1du 13:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Serious rewrite
This article seriously needs a rewrite. It would be nice to see the progession from the earliest Japanese society's views on fashion, to today's fashion. Calicore 02:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Supposedly... Japanese Fashion changes every 6 months. That is a lot to edit. The reason why there is more punk is probably because of Nana. -MayLay 21:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, this article is terrible. If I manage to get through the rest of the Japanese street fashion style tribe articles that need serious rewriting, I will try to tackle this monster. If someone else can before me, please do. Really...! Accelagirl 07:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article is in a horrible state. Small subcultures get attention here but actual mainstream fashion does not. Dekimasu 14:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This article needs to be either (a) renamed or (b) stubbed. It gives the mistaken impression that the styles represented are "normal" Japanese fashion, whereas each of the consitutent pages notes that the styles are subcultures. Most Japanese people are not ganguro gals or "aristocrats". Dekimasu 03:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Lolita" is basically listed twice and even the horribly outdated Bōsōzoku gets a mention... Hilarious.Terukiyo 08:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Can this article get any worse? It really needs to be re-written.

The reference to nana doesn't make sense because her wiki talks about her influence on the gothic lolita fashion not the punk loli as is stated in this street/japanese fashion article.


 * This article is also very conversational and rife with poor/badly worded information regarding cosplay. Also, why the HELL does it link to "San Francisco Street Fashion?"  Link removed due to massive fail.


 * I can't believe this is the result of merging with Street Fashion. It is all just a fraction of information on a few Japanese fashion subcultures. If this isn't changed within the next two months, I will undertake to do so as I will have time then. I would gladly make it my project. Where is the history in this? The traditional fashion? Argh. Terrible. Alixinator 04:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC) 9 October 2007

This definitely needs a rewrite, that's blatantly obvious. Secondly, it lists a particular brand name as a separate fashion. Elegant Gothic Aristocrat/Lolita (EGA/EGL) was coined by Mana of Moi Dix Mois, for his fashion line Moi-même-Moitié. It applies exclusively to his line, and does not warrant of fashion of it's own. If anything, it's a subset of Gothic Lolita. I'd rewrite it, but I'm really only knowledgeable about the Lolita side of things. I'll be watching this article, with hope that something improves. 206.124.153.243 05:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Preface: I'm not sure where asking for a citation check would go. Please move this request where it belongs if it doesn't go here. I figured it fits in the rewrite section because a rewrite would likely remove the citation and solve the problem. Requesting a Fact check:
 * "Tokyo is highly diverse city with a large portion Africans and American military base. [2]"
 * Citation 2 is: Condry, Ian. Hip-hop Japan: Rap and the Paths of Cultural Globalization. Durham, NC: Duke University Press, 2006.

-Could someone please provide more background on this claim? Tokyo may be relatively diverse compared to Japan, but Japan is so often listed as a model of a homogenous society that I'm unsure this citation could be correct. A little searching has provided no census data or other cited claims of relative diversity in Tokyo. I'm unsure if the Japanese census even tracks race.131.107.0.73 (talk) 03:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I edited the sections on "Lolita fashion" for better interpretation, deleted Kogal and Ganguro and changed it to "Gyaru/Gal" since 1) Ganguro is a dead style, and the current style altogether is called "Gyaru", and Kogal is under the "substyles" on the Gyaru page (all which needs a better rewrite anyways). I changed Elegant Gothic Aristocrat since that is a name of a brand line, not a style, and replaced it with Visual Kei, though someone who knows about this style, PLEASE write it up because I do not know much about the style and it needs better interpretation. D:

Deleted the "Carmen Yuen" blog off the list since that blog fails to give any serious and helpful interpretation on any style is mentioned in it.

I suggest someone who knows Eastern Goth fashion and the Punk fashion styles a lot should get into it. Also, I'm not sure if it's appropriate, but I know that there are several other smaller styles like Otome, "Fairy" (I believe), etc., that can probably be worth mentioning.

--Ahmanni (talk) 18:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

NPOV?
This article is tagged for NPOV. Would someone more familiar with the topic mind pointing out where this occurs? Maybe the article needs a new title? Phyesalis 05:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Since there was no discussion of the NPOV issues on this talk page (as is required for using a NPOV tag), I've deleted the tag.--Alabamaboy 01:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Japanese Street Fashion
That is a relatively new article that duplicates this one, with improper capitalization in the title. 130.101.100.106 (talk) 13:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * support merge Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * support merging new article into old; the old article (Japanese street fashion) has the preferable capitalization. Fg2 (talk) 07:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

What to do about outdated content?
As many others have already noted, there are serious problems with this entry, and they may be systemic. To wit, the following paragraph from the first section: "More recently, Japanese hip-hop, which has always been present among underground Tokyo's club scene, has sky-rocketed in the mainstream fashion industry. The popularity of the music is so influential that Tokyo's youth are imitating their favorite hip hop stars from the way they dress with over-sized clothes to darkening their skin with ultraviolet rays, usually done by tanning. Many Japanese youth believe that tanning or being darker is a freedom of expression they are unable to experience in their circumscribed social role as 'Japanese'. The idea of darkening one's skin to more closely resemble an American hip-hop star or ethnic group may seem like a fad but this subculture, the black facers, do not particularly set themselves apart from many other sub cultures that have emerged as a result of hip hop." -- Sorry, but this is nonsense. There is some influence from hip-hop in Japanese music, and there was some influence from hip-hop in Japanese fashion, but it's been gone from the mainstreams of Japanese fashion for at least 2 years now. The source that the entry cites is from 2003! As I write this from Tokyo, in May of 2009, hip-hop fashions in Japan are utterly dead, except in the provinces. And good luck finding anyone in Japan who still tans their skin; the whole ganguro/burako thing is likewise dead. Contributors to this entry need to keep in the forefront of their minds the fact that Japanese fashion is the fastest-paced in the world, and one season's key trend is likely to be the next season's embarrassment. Because of this ephemerality, perhaps the entry should be treated as not so much a series of statements of what "Japanese street fashion" is, but rather, what it has been, or what elements have, at various times, figured in it. Bricology (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Preserve historic content as historic content. That is what encyclopedias do. The Wikipedia is not just about now. --Bejnar (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

So many things wrong
The article is misleading, it sounds as if "Japanese youth fit into either of these categories".

When in fact, most Japanese youth don't fit into those categories, they just wear 'normal' clothes. Not only are most of these subcultures/styles outdates, but the Harajuku, Lolita and Cosplay crowd don't dress like that everyday. --Platinum inc (talk) 18:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Mori
There needs to be a section on mori fashion too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.104.101 (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Decora
Excuse me, but you forgot Decora. I don't know enough about the style to add it myself, but smeone must. ~Sana (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Decora definitely needs a description. It is mentioned but without content.  The Fruits magazine article is not helpful in that regard either. --Bejnar (talk) 19:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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